[Deck] GW/x Maverick

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Originally Posted by Koby

You want it vs Liliana and 3c mid range and zero basic Delver decks.

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I go back and forth on this point. Traditionally, I'd agree with the 3C/4C delver comment. But the Khans delve cards almost invalidate wasteland-ing them into oblivion. They really just need an active DRS or 1 specific color to cast Delver, Angler, Tasigur, etc. If you can stay ahead of their lands, keep it going. The minute they land 2 and/or DRS, the whole wasteland concept kinda falls flat IMO. I could be very wrong on this, but I can't help but think those 3C and 4C decks run off 2-3 mana.

Against Liliana, Loam is spicy but you need to somehow "magically" have that 1-of.

I think some grave-hate (surgical, RIP, more Scooze?) is the solution. RIP invalidates their delve cards + DRS to color-fix them. Surgical combos with wasteland and is just solid on its own since they have lots of redundancies. Alternatively, running dedicated anti-discard tech like Smiter or WLL help a bunch. It may also be wise to bring in some cavern of souls (anti-counters) or mirran crusaders (plow through their lines). Personally, I miss Mirran Crusader. If the room were heavy on BUG, I'd put him back in my 75 for sure.

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Originally Posted by Warden

I go back and forth on this point. Traditionally, I'd agree with the 3C/4C delver comment. But the Khans delve cards almost invalidate wasteland-ing them into oblivion. They really just need an active DRS or 1 specific color to cast Delver, Angler, Tasigur, etc. If you can stay ahead of their lands, keep it going. The minute they land 2 and/or DRS, the whole wasteland concept kinda falls flat IMO. I could be very wrong on this, but I can't help but think those 3C and 4C decks run off 2-3 mana.

Against Liliana, Loam is spicy but you need to somehow "magically" have that 1-of.

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I see no problem with trying to Wastelock 3/4c Delver decks. Sure, they might have a Gurmag up their sleeves, but they also have no lands and therefore a dumb body that's swimming solo. Most problems with attempting to Wastelock come when people get too caught up in the Wastelock effort or don't actually have the resources to make it happen. Truth be told, even in worst-case scenarios involving Life from the Loam, I'm happy just getting back a Wasteland and a few fetchlands or lands they put in the bin with their own Wastelands. Lands, although they're not kill spells, are always relevant.

Also, that comment about Liliana could be said of any sideboard card.

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Originally Posted by bakofried

http://www.knight-ware.com/ccg/magic...015legacy.html

6th place, Jacob Kory with Maverick. Interesting choices in the list. He scooped to a friend in the T8 (already had Seattle byes), but went 4-0-double I.D. in the Swiss. 61 people.

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What a scrub. I'm glad he doesn't post on the Source

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Originally Posted by Megadeus

What a scrub. I'm glad he doesn't post on the Source

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Figured it was worth posting, since it wasn't up on TCdecks yet. =p

It's a joke, since he does. I like the list. It never occurred to me to cut a Knight. I am still not sure I like that.

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Originally Posted by L10

It's a joke, since he does. I like the list. It never occurred to me to cut a Knight. I am still not sure I like that.

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My emoji game is weak, it didn't convey that I know he posts here.

Anyhoo, looking forward to hear thoughts on the list.

I was mostly mirror effecting from Jon's list and recognizing that Courser is often tutored for as often as Knight., due to being able to stabilize better and gain value during low land counts. With DRS still being everywhere its nice having a fixed stat body against aggressive graveyard attrition.

Did not miss Gaea's Cradle, and appreciated the fact that I did not get screwed by it in my opening hands again. Dark depths combo never came up, but I also only faced Jund, Shardless, Burn, and G&Taxes; do it would not have been applicable. If I were to cut it, I would replace with 7th fetch and the 4th Knight, and stay at 61 (because it doesnt matter in this deck).

For Miracle heavy metagames, I would strongly consider Thrun over Sigarda.

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Originally Posted by Koby

Did not miss Gaea's Cradle, and appreciated the fact that I did not get screwed by it in my opening hands again.

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Someone finally talks some fucking sense.

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Did not miss Gaea's Cradle, and appreciated the fact that I did not get screwed by it in my opening hands again.

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Well, as I'm not playing Dark Depths I think the situation is the same like yours. You can have DD destroying your opening hand, I can have Cradle.
I think the odds are very low as one landers are mostly mulls either way and I really can't remember a 2 lander with Cradle which flopped.
And I personally have lots of play lines in which I really like Cradle. Getting Jittle online super fast or making a big Ooze in one turn, zenith for Sigarda, paying for Tabernacle. Whenever I get Cradle with a Knight it feels like comboing off to me :P. Also, most opponents somehow don't expect Cradle.

How did you like 2 Swords over Batterskull? Only 2 SFM in combination with 3 equipments seems strange.

Purely just from me watching Jon and BmjHagan, but Cradle seems nuts. If you sand bag it after a someone you can cast and equip a weapon very easily when your opponent wasn't expecting it that turn. And like was said, if you have DD/Stage in your deck having DD in your opener is just like having a cradle as your only land, except a 2 Lander with cradle and mana dork is infinitely better than a 2 Lander with DD and a dork

I'm not sure if it's been mentioned or not before in the thread, but what about a copy or two of Grand Abolisher? I know GSZ can't find him, but he does offer some decent protection, I know Maverick is not exactly a Combo deck but it could help with allowing some of our cards to enter the field, essentially giving them all "can't be countered."

Just wondering what others think about this. I might proxy one or two and test it out.


Edit: forgot link.

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Originally Posted by Megadeus

Purely just from me watching Jon and BmjHagan, but Cradle seems nuts. If you sand bag it after a someone you can cast and equip a weapon very easily when your opponent wasn't expecting it that turn. And like was said, if you have DD/Stage in your deck having DD in your opener is just like having a cradle as your only land, except a 2 Lander with cradle and mana dork is infinitely better than a 2 Lander with DD and a dork

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Cradle was good at progressing the same plan - quicker zeniths, quicker weapons, easier wasteland-ing. Dark Depths is a different angle, but usually requires you to be established with an active knight. Jacob's lists are always cool, I always appreciate the differences.

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Originally Posted by Stuhl

How did you like 2 Swords over Batterskull? Only 2 SFM in combination with 3 equipments seems strange.

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Batterskull doesn't do anything, I'd rather spend 5 mana to play sword and equip then cast Batterskull. If you rely on SFM to put it into play then you are just asking to have a dead card in hand.



I have fat fingers and I am posting from my iPhone.

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Originally Posted by Nik842

I'm not sure if it's been mentioned or not before in the thread, but what about a copy or two of Grand Abolisher?

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Dat WW tho!

Seriously though; Imma let you speak and Grand Abolisher is a wicked card, but Thalia is the greatest card of all time!

[need more memes]



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WW is bad. He fights decks you have game against or does nothing against the ones you don't. Combo can't interact with you very well; but... that's what combo does. I don't know what you would replace with him and stretching WW next to GB and GW will get obnoxious on your manabase I think. I used to run Liliana + KotR + Decay and that was enough to give me fits against Delver.

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Loam:
I often run a 1-of somewhere since it's just a free-win engine. I did qualify the statement with "if that's your thing", so I wasn't attempting to convince anyone. It's basically Thalia #5 against some decks when you get the godly:
Ramp + Land + Wasteland + Thalia/Loam
T1 Ramp + Land
T2 Wasteland + Thalia/Loam

It's just another way to achieve the depressingly awesome Scoop.

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Originally Posted by tescrin

Dat WW tho!

Seriously though; Imma let you speak and Grand Abolisher is a wicked card, but Thalia is the greatest card of all time!

[need more memes]



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WW is bad. He fights decks you have game against or does nothing against the ones you don't. Combo can't interact with you very well; but... that's what combo does. I don't know what you would replace with him and stretching WW next to GB and GW will get obnoxious on your manabase I think. I used to run Liliana + KotR + Decay and that was enough to give me fits against Delver.
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In terms of Abolisher he is meh. If you don't want opponent's counting stuff, play an extra Cavern of Souls.. I've been running two and loving the flexibility. Most of the time I put it on Human but sometimes it can drop on Knight for WLL. Even on Wizard for Pridemage, Aven Mindcensor, Sylvan Safekeeper, etc. Me being on GW keeps it easier to cast weird off creatures even with a Cavern on a different creature type.

Also it's a land and works better with Knight or Crop rotation and it itself coming into play is hncounterable where a WW dude is.

I top 8:ed the Scandinavian Open #7 Legacy with punishing maverick:

Lands (23)
4 Windswept Heath
2 Wooded Foothills
3 Wasteland
1 Forest
1 Plains
1 Taiga
1 Plateau
2 Savannah
3 Grove of the Burnwillows
1 Karakas
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Cavern of Souls
1 Gaea’s Cradle
1 Maze of Ith

Creatures (22)
3 Noble Hierarch
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Birds of Paradise
1 Sylvan Safekeeper
1 Scryb Ranger
1 Courser of Kruphix
3 Knight of the Reliquary
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
2 Qasali Pridemage
1 Wilt-Leaf Liege
3 Mother of Runes
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Gaddock Teeg
2 Stoneforge Mystic

Other spells (16)
4 Green Sun’s Zenith
2 Sylvan Library
1 Domri Rade
4 Swords to Plowshares
3 Punishing Fire
1 Umezawa’s Jitte
1 Sword of Fire and Ice

Sideboard (15)
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Tormod’s Crypt
2 Pithing Needle
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
1 Surgical Extraction
1 Dismember
1 Enlighted Tutor
1 Containment Priest
1 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
1 Electrickery
1 Trinisphere
1 Gaddock Teeg


I'll try to post a report if I can find the time.

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Originally Posted by pellefant

i top 8:ed the scandinavian open #7 legacy with punishing maverick:

Awesome deck list

i'll try to post a report if i can find the time.

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fuck yes.

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Originally Posted by Pellefant

I top 8:ed the Scandinavian Open #7 Legacy with punishing maverick:
Lands (23)
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1 Maze of Ith
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How did Maze work for you?

-I know I used to run it back in the day and it allowed for some crazy tricks with KotR for unsuspecting opponents.
-It was nice against Stoneblade being able to blank a Germ token with Batterskull, but now those decks have TNN.
-Against Show & Tell I'd rather have Karakas since it can deal with baddies before Annihilator triggers.
-Doesn't do much vs. Elves after Behemoth attacks and triggers.
-Nothing to stop DRS.
-R/W based token making deck strategies (URx Delver, Miracles respectively) have too many threats for 1 Maze to matter.
-Delver decks run Wasteland
-Maze is yet another "Spell Land" that isn't much on its own and is awful as the only land in an opener along with Cradle with no other lands, or Dark Depths.

TLDR: I thought about putting Maze back in but I think the meta has shifted to where it is not as big of an impact as it once was. I'd rather have another utility mana producer like Horizon Canopy or Cavern. Any reason why you had that in the deck or did you have any matchups where it was really shining?

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Originally Posted by Megadeus

Purely just from me watching Jon and BmjHagan, but Cradle seems nuts. If you sand bag it after a someone you can cast and equip a weapon very easily when your opponent wasn't expecting it that turn. And like was said, if you have DD/Stage in your deck having DD in your opener is just like having a cradle as your only land, except a 2 Lander with cradle and mana dork is infinitely better than a 2 Lander with DD and a dork

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I've played both at various times, and the important thing is that they don't work together at all. You mulligan entirely too much.

I prefer having a Cradle to tutor for because it's a single activation, whereas DD/Stage is two. It just seems to do more.

Sorry if this sounds dumb, never played Maverick before, but wouldn't Dryad Militant be a good SB card against storm? Its tutorable with gsz and blanks past in flames