All B/R update speculation.

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Originally Posted by nedleeds

Again people are just sore that the 3 most efficient removal spells that they cram in every deck don't work against it.

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Nimble Mongoose has been around forever, so... no.

Straw mongoose is straw.

What time is the announcement usually released?

Midnight EST

*Fingers crossed* earth craft comes off and that scg squirrel tokens were the advanced warning.

EDIT: Tried to insert countdown but I suck at computers.

And then I can be done with this stupid thread for another few short months.

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It won't be Earthcraft. They aren't going to give Combo Elves! any possible extra help. I'm thinking only one card will change, and it will be a Modern unban. Which card? *shrug*

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Originally Posted by Hof

Nimble Mongoose has been around forever, so... no.

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nedleeds isn't too far off though when he's suggesting that TNN challenges Legacy 'traditions'. Not only does TNN turn off targeted spot removal like Nimble Mongoose, but it also turns off non-evasive attackers and blocking in general, kinda like Delver of Secrets.

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Originally Posted by Leftconsin

It won't be Earthcraft. They aren't going to give Combo Elves! any possible extra help. I'm thinking only one card will change, and it will be a Modern unban. Which card? *shrug*

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Hopefully it's Wild Nacatl. It's banned but Delver is fine, wtf?

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Bitterblossom is randomly 35 and sold out on SCG. I predict that one

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Originally Posted by Megadeus

Bitterblossom is randomly 35 and sold out on SCG. I predict that one

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Nice catch dood. If that card seriously comes down the list I'll be back here for conspiracy theories :)

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Originally Posted by Megadeus

Bitterblossom is randomly 35 and sold out on SCG. I predict that one

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Wild Nacatl and Bitterblossom are just speculation candidates, thus the increase in price. MODO prices have a similiar development in the last few days. So no real conspiracy. SCG manipulating the market only shows when Paper prices increases don't have a counterpart in MODO.

There might be something coming of the Modern Banned list.

As for Legacy, I predict no changes this time (sadly).

Yeah I was just looking up the prices of possible unban candidates and that one popped out. I mean It may just be speculators buying them up, but who knows?

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Originally Posted by Barook

Delver shouldn't have been printed in its current form at all: It may have been balanced as a 2/2 flyer, but that can't be changed anymore.

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Sorcery speed effects:
Lava Spike - R - Lightning Bolt opponent's face
Delver - U - Suspend 1. Lightning Bolt opponent's face every turn

It's just way too aggressive a threat for such a cheap cost. Something that aggressive should only exist in Magic's most aggressive color, not in Magic's traditionally slowest stack interaction/card drawing color. It should not be able to singlehandedly outrace Goblin Guide, red's most aggressive 1-drop (Reckless Waif doesn't count because suck). If they had made the card either 2/2 flying in blue or 3/1 first strike trample in red, I think it would be perfectly balanced. But if blue has the best aggro and control and combo enablers, what's the point of lands that do not have type 'Island'?

Delver is a great argument for Black Vise's unbanning. T1 Vise used to be broken but T1 Delver ends up dealing even more damage most of the time. With Abrupt Decay and a faster format than 8 years ago, Vise isn't much harder to kill and is often easier to play around. Vise is only really a faster clock in some kind of combo, but Vise combo is inherently multi-turn-based and thus slower than other 2-card artifact combos (4 Horsemen/Painter's Stone) and not too broken.

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1. Brainstorm -- card draw. blue
2. Delver -- undercosted aggressive flyer. black?
3. TNN -- dumb ground guy that turns sideways every turn. green?
4. Show & Tell -- cheat fatty into play. green/black?

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IMO Legacy pillars were a lot more balanced when blue decks had to at least pretend to be other colors to achieve these effects:
2. Tombstalker
3. Tarmogoyf
4. Reanimate

A: Land, Vise
B: 3 damage to the face, land
A: Wasteland opponent/keep Stifle up
B: 3 damage to the face
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Quite a solid, evasive damage output for 1 generic mana while totally raping control and being immune to common removal

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Originally Posted by Zombie

As another example: Elves. Typically 4 Glimpse main to 3 NO yet most any competent Elves pilot will tell you it's a NO deck first and foremost, not a Glimpse deck.



Besides which, playing against SFM doesn't make me want to tear my hair out. TNN does. And I play a combo deck that doesn't give a shit about TNN but is in huge trouble if Jitte connects even once. The reason? *gasp* interaction.

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TNN is the least important creature in the deck, comparing it to Elves is a really bad comparison.

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Originally Posted by HSCK

TNN is the least important creature in the deck

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Which creature is the most important creature in Patriot?

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Originally Posted by arsenal

which creature is the most important creature in patriot?

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sfm

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Originally Posted by Arsenal

Which creature is the most important creature in Patriot?

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dont try to argue with that guy... he is in love with tnn and cheap wins