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I'm surprised a list like this hasn't been tested yet due to the popularity of Eldrazi and Taxes in modern. Maybe it has been tested in which case it hasn't turned out to be so good. The Eldrazi in this deck compete with the new Thalia, Heretic Cathar and the proven Rishadan Port and Mirran Crusader, so there's that. Also, Thought-Knot Seer seems kind of slow without drawing Eldrazi Temple.Quote:
Originally Posted by korstructure
Since I love both D&T and White Eldrazi, I'll give it a spin. It seems mainly a budget solution due to the insane online price of Port.
Edit: Played a few games with the list. Wasn't really impressed by it.
On a different note: I'm going to test my old Wg build with Noble Hierarchs again to power out Thalia HC earlier, despite the weakness to -1/-1 effects. Having both Thalias on the field is rather impressive.
Don't nail me down on the numbers, especially the sideboard:
3 Karakas
2 Plains
4 Savannah
3 Windswept Heath
2 Cavern of Souls
4 Wasteland
4 Rishadan Port
4 Mother of Runes
4 Noble Hierarch
3 Phyrexian Revoker
4 Stoneforge Mystic
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
4 Flickerwisp
4 AEther Vial
4 Swords to Plowshares
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Batterskull
Sideboard:
2 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Rest in Peace
2 Enlightened Tutor
1 Pithing Needle
1 Sword of War and Peace
2 Council's Judgment
2 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
2 Winter Orb
1 Crackdown
What I really want to give a spin the E-Tutor board with Crackdown and Winter Orb in combination with Thalia HC.
If you run Wg, you should definitely include Qasali Pridemage. It dominates the mirror and provides so much utility beyond that (maybe a 2-1 split between Revoker and it; but I'd try to get it up to two copies.)
I quite like the thought of Exalted + Crackdown on your side :)
Pridemage: Maybe, but I like the idea of setting Cavern to Human and just stop caring.Quote:
Originally Posted by colo
Crackdown + Exalted isn't really a combo since every creature except Revoker (and Batterskull) are white anyway.
I'm more interested how Port + Noble + Winter Orb play out, especially with Thalia HC out.
Barook, fetches are stronger than 4x duals in splash builds. The ability to fetch basics is relevant. I think your list should be +2 fetches -2 Savannah.
As I said, the numbers aren't settled. I see your point, but too many fetches aren't good either when you run out of stuff to fetch.Quote:
Originally Posted by iatee
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Medea, you want to make sure you don't end up suggesting that DnT has a 50%+ matchup against every tier 1 deck. It probably feels that way for you because you play the deck a lot, but I don't think everyone on ANT/Miracles/etc. threads would necessarily agree with your assessments of the matchups.
Barook, when you run out of things to fetch, your real problem is not "I've run out of things to fetch", your problem is "It's super late game and I'm still drawing lands..." Access to basics early is what keeps your hands Wasteland-proof (and Price of Progress-proof) and that comes up 10x as often. More fetches leave you a tiny bit open to Stifle, but Stifle is played by 6.5% of legacy decks right now while Wasteland is played by 50.8%.
What do people think of Selfless Spirit? Trades with Delver, decent clock as a fast flyer, tutorable for WR. Useless against Miracles' removal, decent against Decay/Bolt.
Well, it is a strictly better 2mana counter target Lightning Bolt, Abrupt Decay, or Damage based sweeper... It isnt dead in any matchup and can be used as a combat trick with AEther Vial... Seems okay
Might be a good question to ask Selfless Spirit vs Warping Wail. Both are big on utility, but not many people are playing Wail, so Spirit would have to be better to merit consideration.
Iatee, I kinda like Selfless Spirit, actually. I wish it gave protection instead of indestrucitble. I guess that could be better against Eldrazi. Even All is Dust says sacrifice though. Massacre is -1/-1. So is Dread of Night. Terminus. Swords to Plowshares. Pyroclasm. There. Against Pyroclasm you gain actual card advantage.
I think I may have just talked myself out of liking it.
I think it's primarily just a beater - so the effect is the upside rather than the real reason to play it. It is most likely not great, I agree, though I don't think it's far from playable and it might be an effect we want around at some point.
Finally got to test Gideon vs Miracles. He seems really strong against them as they don't have many ways to deal with him. And once they're tapped out of removal mana, swinging for 5 isn't too shabby either.
@iatee: I'll test your suggested configuration to get an impression.
Hey there everyone. I haven't seen it mentioned for a few pages and I wanted to mention that the new Thalia is pretty sweet in DnT. I'm normally an Infect player, but I decided to run some WW this past weekend at a 70ish person event in Atlanta and a had 2 Thalia HC in the MD. Everytime I had her I was impressed. She was awesome against Sneak Show, the Mirror, Shardless, and Eldrazi. If you haven't tried her or aren't considering her, I definitely encourage all of you to give it a try. I'm not a DnT expert, but I'm competent and I think she's very likely to become a mainstay in the deck in the future.
Hello everyone! I have played DnT for years now but have recently been tinkering with White Eldrazi, and let me say that THC (Thalia, Heretic Cathar) is absolutely bonkers in the deck. The current list I am running with is:
Creatures: 22
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2 Stoneforge Mystic
3 Phyrexian Revoker
3 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
3 Eldrazi Displacer
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Lodestone Golem (I am currently testing these to accompany the THCs, but it is possible he should just be Reality Smasher. It's a testing phase)
Spells: 12
4 Chalice of the Void
1 Dismember
2 Warping Wail
1 Jitte
1 Batterskull
3 Mox Diamond
Lands: 26
4 Ancient Tomb
3 City of Traitors
4 Eldrazi Temple
4 Wasteland
2 Cavern of Souls
4 Caves of Koilos
3 Plains
2 Karakas
SB: 15
2 Pithing Needle
2 Swords to Plowshares
1 Warping Wail
3 Rest in Peace
2 Containment Priest
2 Ratchet Bomb
2 Thorn of Amethyst
1 Disenchant
The deck has been really smooth since the addition of THC, and it provided the extra hate piece the deck desperately needed. I'll keep testing the list and post results once I have some more to work with.
I have reduced my gushing on this site in the past weeks because I do not want to get preachy, but the card really hoses nearly the entire format. It only takes a few games to see it. Seriously, get yours.
Disgruntled Elk, your list is very compelling. It makes me wonder if there is a natural convergence present between this deck and Eldrazi; sort of like a scale that exists between the two - i.e. "How close to Eldrazi is your D+T deck?". A different way to look at it is that there are a sufficient number of powerful cards in this archetype - disruptive creatures/creature prison or whatever you want to call it - that there is growing room for several variations to exist. Wr is an example as an offshoot. Your deck is another interesting one, one which I bet Barook has toyed with in some fashion. (I bet you guys have a lot to talk about.) We have had the same phenomenon with cantrips for years. That is, with enough powerful cards that push design in a particular direction, there are bound to be a variety of ways to flesh those decks out.
White Eldrazi did seem a underpowered before this - it wasn't the best Eldrazi deck and it wasn't the best DnT deck, so what exactly did it do best? But it could be the best Thalia HC deck. That card is pretty busted t2 on the play.
I got mine in the mail today after preordering at Star City Games. Unfortunately I still need to buy like 15 more cards for the deck including 3 more Port and 2 or 3 more Karakas. Can't wait to play D&T.Quote:
Originally Posted by Finn
Hello, I started building this deck a couple months ago, finally got my Ports, Canopy, cavern and the 3 Karakas. So it's on, this weekend I'll be playing D&T and I'll be staying in the deck for the future.
Now, as I started building the deck, I started playing a version of it in modern, splashing black (no eldrazi) for Dark Confidant and Tidehollow Sculler in the main and Zealous Persecution in the board. The deck performs great (completely different format and power level, I know), but it left me wondering now that I come back here and I see people talking about splashing green or adding Eldrazi to the deck. Why not black? The color provides Dark Confidant and Deathrite Shaman and helps on SB with Persecution against Elves. It also encourages to add more Horizon Canopy to the main, which can be great too as by Confidant's side it draws you more cards in grindy games. Deathrite can be mainboard hate against reanimator and lands/punishing jund and makes our Ports and Wastelands better. Idk, I'm not a legacy expert, but seeing people considering adding 4/5drops (eldrazi) and Green splash really made me pop the question for black, which seems really solid.
Anyway, I have 0 experience on legacy's D&T (at least on the pilot's side) so won't be wasting my time testing a color splash when I don't even have confidence in mono white.
This is where I'm at at the moment:
4x Swords to Plowshares
4x Ęther Vial
3x Mother of Runes
4x Stoneforge Mystic
4x Phyrexian Revoker
4x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2x Serra Avenger
1x Umezawa's Jitte
4x Flickerwisp
2x Mirran Crusader
2x Thalia, Heretic Cathar
1x Brimaz, King of Oreskos
1x Sword of Fire and Ice
1x Batterskull
4x Wasteland
4x Rishadan Port
3x Karakas
2x Horizon Canopy
1x Cavern of Souls
9x Plains
2x Pithing Needle
2x Rest in Peace
2x Containment Priest
2x Ethersworn Canonist
1x Mirran Crusader
1x Crackdown
2x Council's Judgment
1x Cataclysm
2x Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
Path to Exile actively works against the decks mana denial. Should definitely be replaced by Swords to Plowshares.