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Seeing as the ability is optional I'd say that broke the symmetry right there. Also insect-guy will definetly see play in UGx TarmoForceBrainstormShackles.dec as it is a credible threat for people to waste removal on early game and quite the undercosted beater midgame and forward (like, outgrowing Tarmogoyf by the time it swings and for half the price undercosted).
Scute mob does not seem very good to me. He's too slow, alot of games have already been determined by the time he would be relevant. Also good luck playing him against decks that pack wasteland, but who would run that card right?
Turbo Natural balance decks, obv.
A (potentially) nice thing about the avatar is that you don't have to name anything, so you can use it to get a little extra oomph and then sit on it 'till the opponent makes a play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Misplayer
The "may" isn't even necessary - just call Tribal and you won't have to sacrifice anything.
A nice thing is that it annoys Divining Top: you choose the type on resolution, so they have to put it on top on your every upkeep or you're going to eat it. If you have a Chalice@1 in play and some other artifact to sac, you can permanently get rid of the Top too.
Insect guy won't see any play. Vanilla fat that is a 1/1 early on is just worse than a good old fattie with decent abilities.
See: Goose (which granted is suffering from diminishing returns). Not being Tarmogoyfs bitch past turn 2 makes it worthy of a second look however, and reaching 5 lands with Top/Storm/Ponder/20-ish isn't out of the question. Lack of Shroud is eh, but people have to save up for Tarmo anyway, and it's more or less immune to Shackles for what it's worth. I wouldn't count it out beforehand.
You know shackles only checks for the power and toughness when you activate the shackles ability and when it resolves. After that the creature can get as big as it wants and it still stays stolen. Given that Scute Mob needs to stay a 1/1 for a whole turn at the minimum means it still very easy to take with shackles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Infinitium
The more you know..
Steppe Lynx W
Creature - Cat
Landfall - Whenever a land enters
the battlefield under your control,
Steppe Lynx gets +2/+2 until end of turn.
0/1
Obviously not something a typical beatdown deck wants to play...but I'm wondering if just maybe there's going to emerge some deck that plays those cheap creatures, like Lynx and Scute Mob, probably also Mongoose, coupled with Life from the Loam to ensure fetchlands every turn (I'm not sure why it wouldn't play 'Vores and Crushers instead if it has the mana supply, but there may be some benefits from 1cc-beaters, such as Ranger of Eos or whatever).
Boros with this and the 1/1 first strike for 1R and 12 fetch perhaps? Seems a bit stupidly straightforward and dangerously receptive to Stifle, but it might work. You have the evasion to get them through and on offense they're probably going to outgrow Goyf often. Life from the Loam could be replaced with a number of Crucible to stay in two colors.
Edit: caveat: I did not think this post through, so it might be retarded. In that case, who cares.
The Lynx is also good with Knight of Relinquary. The main problem is that it's a bad top deck unless you build a deck around landfall. And decks like Zoo tend to play not that much land which it wants.
This card, however, has catched my interest:
Vines of Vastwood :g:
Instant
Kicker - :g:
Target creature can't be the target of spells of abilities your opponents control until end of turn. If Vines of Vastwood was kicked, that creature gets +4/+4 until end of turn.
This basically reads:
:g:: Counter target creature removal - which is good in non-blue colors to proctect your Goyfs. The cheap kicker cost for a good pump also makes it very cost-efficient.
Hearty Meh. Many (likley most) removal spells are cast EOT. The 4/4 obviously doesn't benefit you there. The spell also sucks against mass removal. Lastly, it's rather mediocre against Sorcery removal.
This spell is cool in only a specific situation: You attack, opponent casts removal spell (which hopefully is not an Edict effect), and then you whup with +4/4 (if your attacker is not chumped). And hopefully you have nothing relevant or better to do with your :g::g: that turn.
I think the advantage of Vines of Vastwood is that it serves three roles:
1. Saves your guy from targeted removal
2. Ocassionaly pumps FTW, occasionally pumps to win goyf wars/ rhox war monk team-blcoked by geese. (BLOWOUT!)
3. 'Tests the waters' in games your opponent has no blockers, as if he casts removal in response, you know not to team swing. Very situational, but possibly occasionally relevant. Most applicable if resolving this first main on a big guy will mean winning, and you have a noble hierarch/pridemage to utilize a secondary guy should your big game winner be killed in response. (as they have to) This is useful as if you don't play it first main, you waste your exalted pumps on a sole attacker that would have ate it to removal.
I'm not saying it's worth maindecking, as the GG cost kicked is harsh to say the least, but it does have it's merits that may not be evident at first glance.
If someone casts that on a creature after I try to snuff it out by paying four life...
I will poop myself.
Those vines are awesome, because they are an answer against Submerge which is totally unfair, and they are useful by themselves. Also, it can be followed by a berserk later, while most other protection effects in green prevent you from comboing. Totally worth to test it in stompy builds.
I also think that the lynx will probably be really good. I would compare it with Skyshroud Ridgeback, except with a 4/5 body, and it's also in the right color to abuse Flagstones of Trokair.
Yeah I considered flagstones as well. That's 3 lands in a turn (play flagstones, sac 2, search for 2) if you get it off. Still though, if those counters were permanent, it'd be hella better... Could be put in a sligh shell... But white sligh?Quote:
Originally Posted by DrJones
Vines are a shit answer to Submerge. And everything, for that matter. What green-packing aggro deck that would ever possibly run this would -ever- want to keep mana open?
Sylvan Safekeeper beats Vines of Poopywood handily, and it's still unplayable in the maindeck and mediocre as a sideboard option.
I like it for one deck only and that's the old fashioned Mono-Green Stompy deck. Unfortunately, that deck sucks ass right now and this would only help it out by a minimum. It is nice to note that casting a Berzerk on a creature and having a Swords targeted at it will be saved by this and help pump the Zerk.
Too bad Chalice pretty much doomed Stompy to the land of decks we don't play anymore.
I don't see why people are thinking the lynx is going to be any good at all. As I said in the zoo thread, your lynx is going to be this (With 10 fetch/10 other land land/40 spells):
2/3 a 0/1
1/6 a 2/3
1/6 a 4/5
Average of 1/2
Keep in mind this guy is almost useless on defense, which does matter quite often. Compared to Isamaru, and even Elite Vanguard seem much better. Sure, we could come up with a setup to "abuse" the landfall more, but I simply think that that's too much work for such a small benefit.