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I think the dd/ts combo can be good, mainly vs shardless bug, but it isn't needed. It makes the tempo style decks like delver worst. I have come to notice it is only REALLY good when the opponent is not expecting it. You don't play the same type of game as lands to make it effective. I would play my same list tomorrow if I chose to play maverick.Quote:
Originally Posted by sanderanders
If you want to play a punishing fire list, I would suggest aggro loam. If you want to play Maverick here is a list to referenceQuote:
Originally Posted by Megadeus
http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...p?DeckID=99973
This is the list I've been doing alright with locally, the main deck is a few cards off the above list.
Lands- 23 (counting arbor)
4 Windswept Heath
3 Verdant Catacombs
1 Marsh Flats
2 Savannah
1 Bayou
1 Scrubland
2 Forest
1 Plains
1 Swamp (testing - and it's pretty good tbh)
4 Wasteland
1 Karakas
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Dryad Arbor
Non Dude Spells- 14
4 Swords to Plowshares
3 Abrupt Decay
1 Sylvan Library
4 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
Dudes- 23
4 Deathrite Shaman
1 Noble Hierarch
4 Mother of Runes
1 Scavenging Ooze
2 Qasali Pridemage
1 Gaddock Teeg
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2 Stoneforge Mystic
4 Knight of the Reliquary
The SB changes like, every time I sneeze and I sometime's just throw in cards for fun (Apostle's Blessing and Marrow Shards were a blast to play) but here's what I have atm-
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Elspeth Knight-Errant
1 Armageddon (Haven't played this or choke in a while, but I resolved this under thalia the other day which is a fun nonbo combo)
1 Choke
2 Zealous Persecution
3 Thoughtseize
3 Surgical Extraction
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
1 Pithing Needle
The only reason I haven't changed to the abrupt decays in the main deck is because our fair match up is okay and has most of the tools to deal with them. I think decays are fine but against combo I want to minimize dead cards that aren't creatures.
Well I have them over your Garruk Relentless, Scryb Ranger and Sword of Light and Shadow which aren't too stellar against combo but are all also cool cards that I've played in the past. (My deck always feels too clunky with 3 equipment, but I guess you also have an extra dude)
On another note I think I might SB a bunch of new Sorin's when he comes out just to troll miracles.
The Garruk was a meta call to give me more game vs miracles/bug, usually is a second library. But scryb ranger is a great card and highly recommended.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rascalyote
Inspired by some great lists wich have done well over the past couple of years, i playtest Maverick since last summer and will bring this deck to some mayor events this year. I like to post my list of 75 here and hope to get some feedback here and there and maybe get a nice discussion going. I really believe Maverick is a viable choice of weapen, even in the current meta, love playing it.
Here we go:
Creatures:
4 Mother of Runes
3 Deathrite Shaman
2 Noble Hiërarch (or 1 and 4 DS?)
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Gaddock Teeg
2 Qasali Pridemage
2 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Courser of Kruphix (or 0 and 3 SFM or 1 Scryb Ranger?)
4 Knight of the Reliquary
Spells:
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Green Sun’s Zenith
2 Sylvan Library (or 1 SL, 0 SoLaS and 2 Abrupt Decays?)
1 Umezawa’s Jitte
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
Lands:
1 Forest
1 Plains
4 Wasteland
4 Windswept Heath
4 Verdant Catacomb
1 Karakas
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Gaea’s Cradle (or Maze of Ith?)
1 Dryad Arbor
2 Savannah
2 Bayou
1 Scrubland
Sideboard:
3 Thoughtseize
2 Zealous Persecution
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Containment Priest
2 Choke (Still Good?)
1 Council's Judgement (?)
1 ???
Shoot! ;-)
[QUOTE=sanderanders;941187]Inspired by some great lists wich have done well over the past couple of years, i playtest Maverick since last summer and will bring this deck to some mayor events this year. I like to post my list of 75 here and hope to get some feedback here and there and maybe get a nice discussion going. I really believe Maverick is a viable choice of weapen, even in the current meta, love playing it.
I hate to say reference my list(you can find it above), but it has put me in at least a top 32 finish in every legacy classic I have used it. I have tried courser when I expect a lot of death and taxes(blocks well, gives u lands). Always use scryb ranger(blocks delver, awesome with kotr and mom). A second teeg in the board is fantastic against combo and miracles. Sword of light and shadow shines when you can get back pridemage or just other threats. I love the full set of thoughtseize, it's your best disruption vs combo.
Thanks Dan. I made some minor adjustments, i expect a slightly different metagame here in Europe. I really appreciatie your feedback though and especially your report with sideboarding explainations. Did you play against Eldrazi already with the deck?Quote:
Originally Posted by NEELEY
Yes, I played vs eldrazi in the scg Indy classic once. He didn't have fast starts but with wasteland pridemage and kotr, it felt like a decent match up. Haven't been beat much either on mtgo.Quote:
Originally Posted by sanderanders
I almost feel like playing 3 SFM's and putting the good old Batterskull in maindeck again...Quote:
Originally Posted by NEELEY
If you expect eldrazi in your meta, I think batterskull would be great. My biggest worry is storm, I can have two bears out and it's not enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by sanderanders
Has anybody experimented with a copy of creakwood liege? I often find myself wanting to gsz for something to beat the board stall and sigarda or titania are just out of reach, and then I have to chump with mana dorks and they get that much further out of reach. My concern is he's vulnerable won't always have an immediate impact.
Yeah, you can have Ethersworn, Gaddock, Thalia, i think it is the worst matchup...Quote:
Originally Posted by NEELEY
Maybe try out non creature hate? Rule of law. Leyline. Natural order for Ruric Thar
After board they play disfigure, chain of vapor, abrupt decay. So usually only landing 2 threats/bears isn't enough. Seems like a thoughtseize or a active mom is needed as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by sanderanders
It's just part of playing this strategy. We have no turn 1 disruption besides thoughtseize, if they are on the play they haves significant advantage and sometimes it's to late.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megadeus
Ok, i have 61 cards in my deck now and the card on the buble is Maze of Ith. I like it because i can fetch it with KotR, it untaps KotR after attack, it helps defence by unblocking flyers en huge Eldrazi's...i just love the card.
Can anybody convince me that i should drop it and play a deck of 60?
Without seeing your list, nobody can help you.Quote:
Originally Posted by sanderanders
You are right ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by klaus
25 creatures:
4 Deathrite Shaman
1 Noble Hierarch
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Gaddock Teeg
2 Qasali Pridemage
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Scryb Ranger
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Mother of Runes
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2 Stoneforge Mystic
12 non-creature spells
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
1 Umezawa's Jitte
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Sylvan Library
23 lands
2 Bayou
2 Savannah
1 Scrubland
1 Plains
1 Forest
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Windswept Heath
4 Wasteland
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Karakas
1 Gaea's Cradle
1 Maze of Ith
Sideboard:
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Choke
1 Containment Priest
2 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Krosan Grip
2 Path to Exile
3 Thoughtseize
2 Zealous Persecution
I expect Grixis/UR Delver and Eldrazi to be the most present decks, so i put 2 Path to Exiles in the sideboard, i left Bojuka Bog and a Choke out for them.
I can leave out a Ethersworn Canonist tor a Containment Priest, not sure.
I also have doubt if i should play the Maze of Ith.