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No one is saying it is good removal - only that it was removal. I posted the card since it is interesting - it is blue removal spell that is more efficent than what blue has gotten in the past, that can take care of PW's and troublesome lands and can ptich for force. Again, not great removal - just that it reaches the definiton of removal :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
Edited my previous post to add a possible applicationQuote:
Originally Posted by Cire
It doesn't have kicker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cire
Yes. Imprisoned in the Moon has the Enchant creature subline. The fact that it can also enchant other things is just gravy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cire
Legacy Zur will never exist again unless Karakas somehow disappears, which it probably won't.Quote:
Originally Posted by rufus
Modern Zur is worse than other decks, but Imprisoned in the Moon is not necessarily better than Detention Sphere in that deck. White isn't a big drawback for D sphere, and hitting multiple copies is relevant a lot of the time. Turning something into a moon seems worse than exiling unless you're really afraid of a come into play effect, but I don't think that's going to be a big enough reason to play IitM.
It'll be interesting in decks that don't have access to white though, it hits basically everything in Modern that you'd care about.
KEK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stevestamopz
I really thought the human ringleader guy was going to be much better but then I read the card again. Does have a pretty good body for the mana cost though.
Alas, if you look at the enchant rules:Quote:
Originally Posted by Turboninja
That makes it clear that "enchant X or Y" is considered a single ability, so Tallowisp can't fetch cards like Brink of Disaster.Quote:
702.5c If an Aura has multiple instances of enchant, all of them apply. The Aura’s target must follow the restrictions from all the instances of enchant. The Aura can enchant only objects or players that match all of its enchant abilities.
That doesn't really make it clear, though. The wording of that rule seems contrary to the wording of the aura. The rule makes the card sound like it practically can't find a legal target.
Hopefully this won't be too big of a derail but this is another example of Wizards murking a perfectly interesting card. I know they want to leave words out of the errata but you always have to get the oracle text for Tallowisp because it was printed before Aura was invented. The Oracle text should be "you may search your library for an Aura card that can enchant a creature, reveal it, and put it into your hand." I definitely think Tallowisp should be able to fetch cards like Mind Harness, and giving it the ability to grab this as well would be actually interesting.
However, that does open up the opportunity for it to grab anything that says "enchant permanent," like Song of the Dryads or Confiscate. Maybe that's too powerful but I doubt it is format warping in any format, and making the card more powerful means more viable decks. (Not that Tallowisp Spirit Aura control is ever going to be a tier one Legacy or Modern deck but at least it could be fun. The solution to that would be to change it to "...Aura card that can enchant only a creature," which I think works for the Threads of Disloyalties of the world but cuts off Imprisoned in the Moon again.
Anyway. There's this card now so maybe they will ban Counterbalance.
Power of the Moon, 2U, Uncommon
Enchantment
Whenever an opponent casts a spell, sacrifice Power of the Moon and counter that spell.
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Originally Posted by Turboninja
No, it is an Aura card with "Enchant creature, artifact, or land". This != Enchant creature.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkenslight
I posted a link last page to the Aura rules back in 2009 when they changed, and there is a section dealing with Tallowisp. Clearly you guys missed that.
The article talks about auras that attach to a proper subset of creatures creatures like "enchant green creature". It doesn't explicitly address auras which can attach to an arbitrary creature or attach to something else. It's not at all obvious that "enchant creature or land" doesn't include "enchant creature".Quote:
Originally Posted by jrsthethird
New card:
Power of the Moon :2: :u:
Enchantment (u)
Whenever an opponent casts a spell, sacrifice ~ and counter that spell.
...Seems a bit good with recursion.
It's pretty obvious. "Enchant creature" is an ability. "Enchant creature, land, or planeswalker" is a separate ability.Quote:
Originally Posted by rufus
From the Comp Rules:Quote:
Originally Posted by Article
The [object] here is "creature, land, or planeswalker", while the [object] for Tallowisp is just "creature".Quote:
Originally Posted by 702.5a
Furthermore, do you think Tallowisp should be able to grab Teferi's Curse? This was never a legal action; not legal prior to Aura rules, because the card type was Enchant Permanent, and not now because the Enchant ability is Enchant artifact or creature.
I do think we should get functional errata to Tallowisp to line it up with Piety Charm (or vice versa), so that both cards, which have identical original wordings, should be able to affect the same set of permanents under Aura rules.
Original Piety Charm/Tallowisp wordings: "Destroy target enchant creature"/"Search your library for an enchant creature card"
Current wordings: "Destroy target Aura attached to a creature"/"Search your library for an Aura card with enchant creature"
So we should see either Piety Charm errataed to say "Destroy target enchantment with enchant creature" or have Tallowisp errataed to say "Search your library for an Aura card that could enchant a creature", so that the subsets of these cards are the same.
Also seems decent with enchantress effects, with standstill, or in some bizarre deck that runs trinisphere but no Chalice of the Void.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkenslight
Hesitation already existsQuote:
Originally Posted by rufus
T2 Ethersworn Cannonist, T3 that thing and keep recurring it after that..?
sounds like a plan...Quote:
Originally Posted by Echelon
Hesitation seems like much more of a liability than power of the moon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
Or, you know, we can go and watch how paint dries.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqmBpXxWZYsQuote:
Originally Posted by Echelon
Or for the thrill: Watch Gras Grow!