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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Originally Posted by
android
Yeah, it's funny that I wanted a playset but couldn't bring myself to spend the $30-40 they seemed to be going for 6 months ago, now I'm tempted to buy a PSA 10 one for $175 (which somehow seems like a sound investment).
The one on eBay is gone since yesterday.
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Quite ridiculous what's happening on Candelabra right now.
Seems it's only a matter of time before it hits 200$, which will make it prohibitely expensive for anybody really wanting to play the deck. But do people really want to play this? At 200$ for a playset someone could think: "Why not give this a try and it may turn out to be a good investment, too.." At 6-800$, people simply won't bother. All that speculation isn't too good for the advancement of this deck.
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Originally Posted by
KindGrind
Quite ridiculous what's happening on Candelabra right now.
Seems it's only a matter of time before it hits 200$, which will make it prohibitely expensive for anybody really wanting to play the deck. But do people really want to play this? At 200$ for a playset someone could think: "Why not give this a try and it may turn out to be a good investment, too.." At 6-800$, people simply won't bother. All that speculation isn't too good for the advancement of this deck.
Sure thing, but the main culprit aren't players here, but wizards. Card is on reserve list and there is only 31 000 (at max) copies around. That means that Candelabra is 10x times more rare than any dual land. It's even more rare than Tabernacle
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Glad I didn't sell my foil merchant scroll too...
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Candelabra just hit the minimum of 175 EUR on magiccardmarket.eu. I don't really know if they sell for that price, but i'm actually pretty glad i bought my playset quite a while ago.
I guess that's the impact of Spiral taking down Edison.
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Xeen
Candelabra just hit the minimum of 175 EUR on magiccardmarket.eu. I don't really know if they sell for that price, but i'm actually pretty glad i bought my playset quite a while ago.
I guess that's the impact of Spiral taking down Edison.
When I looked 2 days ago, there was only 1 left at €150, so I guess that one sold....
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Well, the recent uprise pretty much rules out any deck with Candelabra for me. I'm totally not buying into a playset of Tabernacles (or Imperial Recruiters), I'd rather get some 'generic' FBB USeas for comparable cost.
Much like KindGrind said, I wouldn't bother with these.
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Tabernacle, much like Moat, is often used as a one-of, as some mentioned earlier. Shelling out 200$ for one or the other, while certainly not extremely pleasing, opens door to new archetypes and drastically improve your decks. Comparing Candelabra and Recruiter is right, though. Anyways.
Random thought: with MUD decks gaining in popularity, I wouldn't be surprised to see City of Traitors / Ancient Tombs rise even more. It will also be interesting to see how Null Rod behaves in the upcoming months. SB cards never get too expensive though, although I was quite surprised to see Peacekeeper last time I checked.
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Originally Posted by
KindGrind
although I was quite surprised to see Peacekeeper last time I checked.
This. I remember buying a Peacekeeper from the local store during Christmas season for $1 (The store only had one in the jank bin). Apparently theyre $8-10 now. Just wow!
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Would the price of the card have changed much if Hatfield had gotten 2nd? It's funny that the price of the card might only have exploded because of some hardcore lucksacking on a Ponder shuffle.
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Its all SCG's fault. A deck does well in a tournament, they jack up the price of the engine cards of that deck. Then they buy whatever cheap is left out there so they can sell them for their price to make profit. Then local stores just go along with the hype because they know players who need those cards will pay for that much.
Jolly good way to make money!
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This is neither here nor there, but I'm putting on my tim foil hat and imagining a fix in some major tournament where all the top 8 decks have cards like Candelabra and Peacekeeper; cards that are older and rare and are cheap now, but with the decks doing well, SCG jacks the prices up and people pay. I love conspiracy theories.
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Originally Posted by
kikoo
Would the price of the card have changed much if Hatfield had gotten 2nd? It's funny that the price of the card might only have exploded because of some hardcore lucksacking on a Ponder shuffle.
I'm pretty sure that the price would have still risen. Plenty of newer players (especially SCG circuit players) tend to fixate on the new thing. Even coming in 2nd shows it's still a contender and worth looking into. Chris Cannon's Kuldotha Red (Standard) deck came in 2nd when it debuted, but received most of the attention that day.
Candelabra was already on it's way up, it just needed a big tourny top 8 to force the price spike.
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Originally Posted by
(nameless one)
Its all SCG's fault. A deck does well in a tournament, they jack up the price of the engine cards of that deck. Then they buy whatever cheap is left out there so they can sell them for their price to make profit. Then local stores just go along with the hype because they know players who need those cards will pay for that much.
Jolly good way to make money!
Not SCG, but the 'collectors' who forced WotC to keep the reserve list. Bet your ass that if there wasn't a certainty that some cards won't be reprinted, we wouldn't see some of the aberrations.
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The best thing people could do is not buy Candelabra at so much money. Some lucky people out there are going to make a buck on this hype
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jandax
The best thing people could do is not buy Candelabra at so much money. Some lucky people out there are going to make a buck on this hype
Magic players are stupid. That is why the colours green, red, and white exist.
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I thought they existed for Xantid Swarm, Burning Wish, and Orim's Chant?
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Ozymandias
I thought they existed for Xantid Swarm, Burning Wish, and Orim's Chant?
Those are all really black cards lets be honest with ourselves. Much like Goyf is actually blue and all bad blue and black cards are actually green.
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The Candelabra thing is hilarious, due to the ironic violation of status quo. Usually, it's
1. Rogue deck makes Top something due to fantastic design and playskill.
2. Rogue deck becomes emulated by 300 people who lack both of the above.
Alix, however, managed to change status quo to:
1. See 1.
2. "Nya Nya! I can play this deck and youuuu caaan't."
Next time somebody's about to Top 1 with an older card that's hovering in the $30 range, please let me know so I can purchase about 50 of them. Thx.
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Or you can just buy up all the copies of the cards that are old and don't suck. Here's a nice convenient list.
Power Artifact, Transmute Artifact, The Abyss, Nether Void, Into the Eye of Chaos, Old Man of the Sea, Diamond Valley, Drop of Honey, Jihad, Arena of the ancients, Great Wall, Mana Drain (just in case), Nova Pentacle, reset, Spinal Villian, and I'll add Willow Satyr on just because people haven't noticed how good it is in EDH yet.
There you go. No need to get lost in the dust. Have a playset of these and you're covered for the old sets from here on out.
Oh yes, you might want to upgrade your Mishra's Factories since they seem determined not to reprint that again also.
Tabernacle and other $200+ cards not included on purpose.
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OK, I was with you for the most part, but Great Wall????
Is this a test - if so I fail? :tongue:
Take it easy,
Jared
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Originally Posted by
Tacosnape
The Candelabra thing is hilarious, due to the ironic violation of status quo. Usually, it's
1. Rogue deck makes Top something due to fantastic design and playskill.
2. Rogue deck becomes emulated by 300 people who lack both of the above.
Alix, however, managed to change status quo to:
1. See 1.
2. "Nya Nya! I can play this deck and youuuu caaan't."
Next time somebody's about to Top 1 with an older card that's hovering in the $30 range, please let me know so I can purchase about 50 of them. Thx.
This is hilarious but the truth. I seldom feel "poor" since I already own most staples but I sure as hell am not splurging 800 USD on a set of the damn things. Having Nya Nya in my face is the final straw!!! Grrrrr! Reprint the damn card!
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I'm really kicking myself because I've been watching Candelabras on eBay for the past two weeks. I was hoping to get one for cheap last Wednesday, but when the price was $70, I passed. What a steal that would have been! Needless to say, no card should change prices 4 times in one week (last Wednesday - $69.99 on SCG *sold out*; last Friday/Saturday - $99.99 on SCG; Monday morning - $149.99 on SCG; now - $249.99), more than tripling in value in 8 days. Methinks SCG is doing shady business and I have a hard time dealing with them due to their continuous price fixing.
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Originally Posted by
Jason
I'm really kicking myself because I've been watching Candelabras on eBay for the past two weeks. I was hoping to get one for cheap last Wednesday, but when the price was $70, I passed. What a steal that would have been! Needless to say, no card should change prices 4 times in one week (last Wednesday - $69.99 on SCG *sold out*; last Friday/Saturday - $99.99 on SCG; Monday morning - $149.99 on SCG; now - $249.99), more than tripling in value in 8 days. Methinks SCG is doing shady business and I have a hard time dealing with them due to their continuous price fixing.
I've never ordered from SCG, but how are you going to accuse them of price fixing when Candelabra increased similarly at every single other store (and on eBay and MOTL) and is now essentially unavailable.
(I do agree that the price is retardedly high for such a narrow card, but that has nothing to do with price fixing.)
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Yeah that's just simple supply verses demand. Because of the volumn of business SCG does, they do in some way influence the market, but if they were to set prices, their competitors would lowball them for effect.
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Originally Posted by
dahcmai
Or you can just buy up all the copies of the cards that are old and don't suck. Here's a nice convenient list.
Power Artifact, Transmute Artifact, The Abyss, Nether Void, Into the Eye of Chaos, Old Man of the Sea, Diamond Valley, Drop of Honey, Jihad, Arena of the ancients, Great Wall, Mana Drain (just in case), Nova Pentacle, reset, Spinal Villian, and I'll add Willow Satyr on just because people haven't noticed how good it is in EDH yet.
In my opinion, In the Eye of Chaos ( wich is probably one of my favoutite cards due to the picture, the name and the fact that is a playable Enchant World ) is the most legacy playable of all the ones you posted. It just needs some Tezzeret Stax deck to top8 an SCG, and you will notice how this card, dropped turn2 or turn1 off Tomb+ Mox, completely destroys Storm Combo. And TezzStax would play at least 3 in sideboard.
Arena of the Ancients it's cute, too, I might want a set.
Nether Void is another incredibly powerful card, wich only needs someone who breaks it. Then it will be nut high.
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In the Eye of Chaos suffers from the fact that it is blue. Decks with blue probably have lots of it to support FoW. That means more countermagic. That means that the deck's combo matchup is decent already. That means that there probably is not room for In the Eye of Chaos. And one other thing, there are other blue enchantments that cost less money (and less mana iirc) that can create the same difficult environment for combo.
Also, Chains of Mephistopheles is underpriced for the effect and has never been duplicated in any form. It has all the features for this kind of thing. I can also see Tetsuo Umezawa, probably the last playable legendary creature from Legends, making a surge if some crazy mechanic pops up.
or
Preacher
or
Ydwen Efreet
And I have to refer you to this pertinent article since we are discussing it.
http://mtgsalvation.com/130-what-next-for-legacy.html
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Arena of the Ancients was in Chronicles, and Mishra's Factory was reprinted last year.
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^ reprinted with a black border too, that's the important part :)
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I have a feeling that the Magus cycle from Time Spiral block (and to some extent Fauna Shaman) is the desire from WotC to reprint cards from old. Unfortunately the reprint policy is still in effect. Really really unfortunate.
Speaking of Magi, would Magus of the Candelabra work in the Eldrazipost deck? I mean its on color right or being a creature just really suck? (I might get a playset of them just in case)
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(nameless one)
I have a feeling that the Magus cycle from Time Spiral block (and to some extent Fauna Shaman) is the desire from WotC to reprint cards from old. Unfortunately the reprint policy is still in effect. Really really unfortunate.
Speaking of Magi, would
Magus of the Candelabra work in the Eldrazipost deck? I mean its on color right or being a creature just really suck? (I might get a playset of them just in case)
You can get him with GSZ as well which doesnt seem too bad.
-Cheers-
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sporenfrosch1411
It has no haste ^_^
^^^ THIS ^^^
In order to make Magus work you'd have to completely rework the deck from the ground up. One of the biggest reasons to use Candelabra is because you can in 1 turn trinket mage, cast, untap everythign, retap, cast kozilek/emrakul... You cannot do that with Magus.
You turn the deck a turn slower, and you'll probably have to start using somethign like GSZ to fetch it reliably, which would probably end up being over Trinket mage, and would significantly hurt your blue count and ability to run Force of Will. Also what happens to TM's ability to find Expedition Map when you need Eye of Ugin to tutor up your Eldrazi?
All in all, I don't think it's the card you want as it will transform the deck into something completely different that would probably be at least a full turn slower.
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Just for the record, I have decks that sideboard Arena of the Ancients right now, so don't hate.:)
Also, Great Wall? Good tech. The Graceful Antelope/Zodiac Rooster/Volrath's Shapeshifter Combo (AKA Uncle Herschel's Breakfast) is officially no longer overpowered.
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Originally Posted by
Finn
In the Eye of Chaos suffers from the fact that it is blue. Decks with blue probably have lots of it to support FoW. That means more countermagic. That means that the deck's combo matchup is decent already. That means that there probably is not room for In the Eye of Chaos. And one other thing, there are other blue enchantments that cost less money (and less mana iirc) that can create the same difficult environment for combo.
For example:
http://www.thecouncil.es/tcdecks/dec...4&iddeck=38951
Is a U stax deck, playing 2 ItEoC in side. TezzStax/ U stax loves that card, and that type of decks can't play Fow/ Spierce/ Snare for some obvious reasons.
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I don't see where this is any good. It "just" counters Instants, so it won't cut the Deal much more than Trinisphere would, seeing that Trinisphere shuts off so much which makes it in my opinion the superiour choice. Let's think about it: Trinisphere disrupts combo better, cuts off non-vialing aggro decks of their speed and even gets rid of the cantrip'ping canadian and alikes do.
Sure it has the perfect casting cost for Staxx (2 colorless and 1 colored mana) but.... i don't see this beeing an underestimated card that yet has to get broken - its potential is very obvious and from my point of view in no way overwhelming.
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Originally Posted by
Sims
^^^ THIS ^^^
In order to make Magus work you'd have to completely rework the deck from the ground up. One of the biggest reasons to use Candelabra is because you can in 1 turn trinket mage, cast, untap everythign, retap, cast kozilek/emrakul... You cannot do that with Magus.
You turn the deck a turn slower, and you'll probably have to start using somethign like GSZ to fetch it reliably, which would probably end up being over Trinket mage, and would significantly hurt your blue count and ability to run Force of Will. Also what happens to TM's ability to find Expedition Map when you need Eye of Ugin to tutor up your Eldrazi?
All in all, I don't think it's the card you want as it will transform the deck into something completely different that would probably be at least a full turn slower.
I had him in there at first as Candelabra 3-6, then 3-4, then pulled them out all together. I would rather have Azusa in there as she is 10 times as explosive if you happen to have lands in hand or can tutor some up. I tried Oracle too which seemed great in conjunction with Azusa but then I feel like I'm to reliant on green and creatures that don't beat face.
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Originally Posted by
sporenfrosch1411
I don't see where this is any good. It "just" counters Instants, so it won't cut the Deal much more than Trinisphere would, seeing that Trinisphere shuts off so much which makes it in my opinion the superiour choice. Let's think about it: Trinisphere disrupts combo better, cuts off non-vialing aggro decks of their speed and even gets rid of the cantrip'ping canadian and alikes do.
Sure it has the perfect casting cost for Staxx (2 colorless and 1 colored mana) but.... i don't see this beeing an underestimated card that yet has to get broken - its potential is very obvious and from my point of view in no way overwhelming.
Probably against a deck wich goldfishes on turn 1-3, you need more answers than just 4 Trini and 4 Chalices, and 2 more ItEoC in side surely help.
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In that place, i would much rather see Chalice of the Void then. Its more versatile.
