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I don't mean that IGG is bad in general, just that in places where 1U + draw spell + 2 cards = IGG is bad, 1U + draw spell + 2 cards = Emrakul is probably fine. I'm not cutting IGG from my maindeck. For that matter, I don't even play Cloud of Faeries, I just see where it's potentially useful.
IMO, cloud of faeries is a replacement for IGG, either MB expecting lots of non-tempo blue or SB. I can see it being better in the wish variants than the S&T variants though, since that deck has few cheap outs against tempo.dec.
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Is this going to change something?
it's sort of Orim's Chant in green, so we can play it maindeck in place of Thoughtseize or something.
Is it worth the slots?
My impression regarding Autumn's Veil is that its inability to Chantwalk is a dealbreaker. While it could be an improvement in blue (specially tempo) matchups, it's dead weight when you are trying to finish the game asap.
I could be wrong, though, as Thoughtseize is less than spectacular against aggro strategies.
I have missed a couple Ponders in the list, as you don't want to throw away your only cantrip in search for mana/business just to get to situations were you have to pass the turn and pray. I am really unsure about what to cut, though.
As a last minor complaint, Burning Wishes always seem to make me one card short of Threshed CRits.
I'm not a fan of the Shelldock->Emrakul plan, I don't know why. I have 2 EtW in the board, along with Bribery as a BW target. Yeah, you read that right. Bribery. Telemin Performance does not accomplish the same thing.
Took a reanimator player by surprise one time. In hindsight I should've taken the Sphinx instead of going for the legend kill on Iona. Horrible misplay. But you had to see the faces of everyone next to us, especially his.
Ritual, Ritual, Nauseam? Resolves?
Ten bucks.
Ritual, Doomsday pile FTW?
Hundred bucks.
BW for Bribery to steal your nastiest fatty?
Priceless.
I've been testing this deck, but I felt not being able to wish for acceleration was pretty harmful, so I added some Rite of Flame. I'm going to start testing this list:
2 Underground Sea
1 Badlands
1 Volcanic Island
4 Polluted Delta
3 Scalding Tarn
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Swamp
1 Island
1 Shelldock Isle
1 Cloud of Faeries
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Meditate
1 Ill-gotten Gains
1 Tendrils of Agony
4 Burning Wish
3 Doomsday
2 Lim-dul's Vault
4 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Brainstorm
1 Ponder
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Dark Ritual
3 Rite of Flame
4 Lotus Petal
1 Cabal Ritual
4 Duress
1 Thoughtseize
1 Wipe Away
Sideboard
3 Defense Grid
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
2 Show and Tell
2 Deathmark
1 Sadistic Sacrament
1 Thoughtseize
1 Doomsday
1 Ponder
1 Rite of Flame
1 Empty the Warrens
1 Tendrils of Agony
I've been looking for wishable acceleration and can't seem to find any worthwile. BW->Rite of Flame is more of a late game play, it depends on how many you've seen pre-DD.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamis
0 RoF in grave = -1 net mana, +2 storm
1 RoF in grave = even mana, +2 storm
2 RoF in grave = +1 mana, +2 storm
3 RoF in grave = +2 mana, +2 storm
For Mana Seism you'd have to sac at least four land to make it worthwile. I even thought of running Inner Fire when I was running Ad Nauseam. I just did a search and came up with 19 sorceries that add mana, most of which involve creatures and/or green.
BW->Drafna's Restoration might be the best option, although it pretty much demands you have some card draw, and that you've used some artifact mana already (Petals and LEDs).
I've spent some time on Gatherer. Quite some time.
I played DDFT on yesterdays tournament (12 people, 4 rounds, prizes were Bayou HP, two fetches)
list:
Qty Name
// Lands
4 Flooded Strand
4 Polluted Delta
1 Swamp
1 Island
3 Underground Sea
1 Shelldock Isle
1 Tropical Island
1 Bayou
//\\
// Creatures
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Cloud of Faeries
//\\
// Spells
1 Ill-Gotten Gains
1 Cabal Ritual
4 Dark Ritual
1 Tendrils of Agony
4 Lotus Petal
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
3 Infernal Tutor
4 Ponder
4 Brainstorm
4 Doomsday
3 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Meditate
1 Wipe Away
4 Duress
2 Thoughtseize
1 Pithing Needle
//\\
// Sideboard
1 Tropical Island
3 Pithing Needle
2 Echoing Truth
3 Pernicious Deed
2 Krosan Grip
4 Dark Confidant
Round 1, Vaclav, Elves
I lost g1 to fast beats and I sided wrong, so I lost the g2 too.
I thought to Deed away his Elves, but this is in no way Merfolk match. I always lacked one mana to Deed the board, because with all his accelleration, he is one turn ahead of me every time I wanna sac the bomb. Confidants did nothing, too, they can draw the cards, but that's about it.
I should have rather keep the discard and Seize him of Elves and mainly Duress the Crossroads and Land Grants to slow him down. Nvm, next time I'll be wiser.
Round 2 , Martin, UR CB-Painter
Not that I love 8 Blasts maindeck, but otoh, I can easily avoid the Grindstone kill. Postboard Deed gets rid of all the vexing artifacts and CB, while Confidants draw both cards and opponent's life total.
I cannot remember how I exactly it happened, but I lost g1 to fast Mages beat supported by CB lock.
G2 Martin kept a strong hand lacking any mana, which cost him some turns. I played double Confidant into mini-Tendrils, so onto g3.
The third game was very interesting, as we both played some ammount of defense, be it Deed, Needle, CB, Duress, etc. Finally I went for the Emrakul kill, not that it was 100% safe, but he had nigh empoty hand and I just have to try anything, before it is too late, as he build the lock and had serious beats onboard. After DD he have drawn the Mage, but was one mana short of killing me by Stone, so he just took the Needle and pitched the Isle. This was fine, as I had Wipe Away, but I just realized that he could have kill me by blasting the Isle. Next time I must not forget this option!
Round 3, Tom, Tress
He had horrible hand with no acceleration, many draw effects and very few enchantments, moreover the bad ones. I Emrakuled him.
G2 he mulled to three after he made an error during the first mull. This wasn't much exciting game. I comboed via DD.
Round 4, Michal?, RG LD.dec
I was hit by some Stone Rains, Molten Rains and another Rains, but I finally drawn the land needed to start the chain. I killed him with an IGG loop.
G2 I DDed for the Tendrils 30+. Not much to say.
So...
I went 3-1 which was 2% less short of the 3rd place. Nevermind. I lost to Elves, but this was mainly due to incorrect sideboard. I won some games, but honestly, these victories were sometimes far from well-deserved. I need to practice, too, because I could have won the g2 of Elves match, if only I went for the DD->Emr, swing for 15, BS->Rit, Rit, ToA.
I am satisfied with the deck, but I am bit affraid of the Emrakul toolbox. Although strong in some matchups, it just makes the deck worse against non-blue decks. Otoh, I can win with it from nowhere and it is really hard to spoil it, as it takes a monkey to complete the Emrakul pile and turn him sideways. So I stay true to the great 15/15 for now.
How effective has Cloud of Faeries been for you? I was considering it in my own list, but couldn't think of enough scenarios where I wouldn't already win with Tendrils.
Edit: Oh, and also congratulations on the strong finish!
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Originally Posted by sam.
Well, they are there to speed up the Emrakul kill by one turn and save him from Edict/Curfew. From time to time you can also cycle them and if you're not a moron like I am, this can be helpful... just think if you want to cycle now, or after you set up.Quote:
Originally Posted by sam.
They're far from stellar, but they do what you want them to do, and DD -> BS, CoF, Emr is 16 life swing... and since now you should be able to seal the game with Rit + ToA.
EDIT: I just remembered that I defeated the Tress guy by DD-Med-IGG loop with removal backup in g2. Not that it matters, just for the record that Emrakul has one scalp less.
I don't see how annhialator 6 doesn't win you 99% of these situations. I almost never look at Emmy as damage but as massive recurring removal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aleksandr
@DarthViscious: All Sun's Dawn is probably the best option, but it's not worth the slot. Neither is bribery, if you have 7 mana going on you should just win the game instead of being cute.
True. Just today I decided I'd rather bring in my own Emrakul piles for DD than BW->Bribery. Bribery is ok against Iona on black, and you can get their Progenitus/Emrakul/blah blah fattie blah. But Bribery can be countered... which sucks. Bribery is really a leftover on my SB from when I was running AdN.Quote:
Originally Posted by rsaunder
Because his board was Forest, Forest, Forest, Forest, Llanowar, Llanowar, Quirion, Priest of T., Priest of T., Archdruid, Archdruid, Archdruid, Visionary, Visionary, Visionary, Visionary, Fyndhorn, Champion, Messenger, Messenger, ESG, Empath, Empath, Brass Herald, Brass Herald, Brass Herald, Symbiote, Symbiote, and he held Caller of the Claw.Quote:
Originally Posted by rsaunder
That's why the sole Emrakul was not enough to win.
Geeze, I don't think I've ever emrakul'd against a situation like that. Against decks that have no burn and will tend to go creature hordes, ToA is your friend, you've gotta know what way to go in what situation. If you could do a cloud of faeries pile you could have done an IGG pile just as easily and outright won without the cute second turn tricks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aleksandr
Yeah, because during every game I draw exactly those cards that I exactly need. You know that sometimes things go wrong, don't ya?Quote:
Originally Posted by rsaunder
I was unable to IGG for the kill, because I was short of some cards. And I was unable to double Doomsday, because I was... (drumroll) short of some cards. I was also unable to DD -> Meditate.win, because (I hope you already know it...) I was short of some cards.
I could pretty well won if I Emrakuled for sixteen and than went Rit+ToA, but I didn't notice that there's a possibility how to play it.
At the end of the day I really don't care how I win. Be it Mrak or Tendrils 42+, as long as I win, that's all I care about. And I failed at this quest.
The end.
Sarcasm. I like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aleksandr
On a side note, I sometimes have a hard time finding DD/BW->DD... I'm wondering if anyone's tested Personal Tutor. I don't like how you have to reveal the card though. Any other suggestions? More cantrips maybe, considering I'm only running BS and Top?
I run:
3 Doomsday
4 B. Wish
3 Lim Dul's Vault
1 Infernal Tutor
4 Brainstorm
4 SDT
2 Ponder
And have almost no trouble finding pieces. Personal tutor sucks... avoid it.
What did you cut to fit the Ponders in? Sometimes I wish I were running a couple more cantrips.
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Originally Posted by DarthVicious
I ordered four PT right before the prices increased and I didn't find the need to play them since then. They are in any direction worse than MT was and giving my opponent the knowledge what exactly I gonna do on my next turn is not a powerful move.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthVicious
I've heard of a guy that played some number of them to great finish, but...
Otoh, it is one the best tutors if you want to stay solely UB (the other been LDV), so maybe it could be of help, because even with eleven cantrips, I sometimes get my cards too late...
But don't forget that I pack the Emrakul kill main deck, with additional two or three cards for protection:Wasteland, so if I'd cut the Emr.win, I'd have another free slots for... what? Another cantrip? another acceleration? Or Personal Tutor? IDK...
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The guy was playing Reanimator.
I absolutely hate Ponder. I always seem to Ponder into crap, meanwhile Brainstorm gives me two of exactly what I needed. Maybe I'll start testing with LDV again, it wasn't so bad. I cut it for Cabal Ritual when I had trouble casting Doomsday. It's also nasty with Brainstorm.
Well, to get into the emrakul pile with CoF, you need to have not hit your land drop this turn, have 1U available after doomsday, and a brainstorm+2 cards in hand (to brainstorm into shelldock+CoF). This means that you could have done this instead, given the exact same situation:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aleksandr
Brainstorm in hand, 1U available after doomsday:
SDT
LED
LED
IGG
TOA
Brainstorm into SDT LED LEd replacing the 2 cards, play all 3. Sac LEDs for BBBUUU and reorder with a blue to put IGG on top. Top into IGG, then IGG into Brainstorm LED LED with U floating. Play LED's, then brainstorm on the stack sac your LED's for BBBBBB. Draw into 2 cards and top, take top. Replay top, reorder (BBBB floating) top into tendrils and ToA for 10+doomsday+any other spells you platyed before.
So thanks for the snark, but unless you did a pass the turn stack against that board and somehow convinced him not to kill you so he could "see something really cool", I was right.
For what it's worth, you could have built a pass the turn pile that wins off 1U and 2 cards too which is the correct choice if you absolutely must pass the turn vs an aggro deck capable of putting a bunch of permanents into play.
You can also CoF into Emrakul via SDT in play and no Brainstorm (it's in the pile) via:
Brainstorm
Lion's Eye Diamond
Shelldock Isle
Cloud of Faeries
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
I was going to say you'll deck, but you have two cards in hand (derf). BS cards into the deck, drop Shelly, hiding Emmy, drop LED, cast CoF, untapping Shell+Blue source, cast Emmy. Take turn to zerg opponent's face with Emmy plus CoF.Quote:
Originally Posted by emidln
I think what this is really saying is that we need cloud of faeries main. While most or all of the problems it solves could be done with tendrils, its less complicated and makes winning easier. Also some of the problems it solves can't be done with tendrils. I'm cutting meditate from my list and putting Infernal contract in my wishboard.
Cutting Meditate from the main definitely seems like you'll lose to Zoo more due to burn.
Cutting Meditate is one of the worst ideas I've heard in awhile. If you want Cloud of Faeries, cut something else for it.
FWIW, I'm not currently running Burning Wish.
So what you're saying is that if the deck was played by a good pilot one wouldn't need to play with CoF? I mean, if its only purpose is to be a crutch that sounds terrible.Quote:
Originally Posted by median
I'll say it again: CoF is a replacement for IGG that's better against blue decks. It fits into the same piles, letting you win the same ways. It requires shelldock+emmy MB though, taking you up to 5 slots not including IGG for "bad" cards that you don't want to see in an opener. Especially wiothout burning wish to get IGG, I wouldnt go this route.
Interesting, are you trying a UB(x) list closer to Rev614 ?Quote:
Originally Posted by emidln
Because with the last lists you / pulpfiction posted, I don't quite see what could replace BWish seemlessly.
I've tried a few things including maxing out Ponder, adding Personal Tutor, etc. and I wasn't really satisfied.
I assume you're running a full set of LDV to compensate, the card seems potentially awesome?
I can't think of anything to replace it. I'm running 4 BW, 3 DD, 3 LDV. In my opinion, those are the most versatile and powerful options. That aren't banned, of course, and that aren't Ponder. I hate Ponder with the fury of a thousand suns.Quote:
Originally Posted by loop
The only one I could/should be running that I'm not is Infernal Tutor. Rarely do I want to tutor for something I already have, and if I'm hellbent I can't see IT being profitable unless I intended on being hellbent.
I tried playing without burning wish also. I liked being able to cut red and increase the basic land count. However, I really felt the decreased access to doomsday. I don't personally like lim dul's vault much after trying it. I am now at 2 ponder, 2 infernal tutor, 3 burning wish. I thought of playing two cunning wish, as that would give access to pretty much everything I want in the board, but that seems like it would push the deck more towards turn four, which is obviously bad.
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Thanks for your input guys!
I think the main advantage to dropping BW is to gain a 15 card sideboard with no singletons. This is something I would like to explore.
Burning wish is great because it can fetch you lots of needed tools but it leaves you with a side board thats next to useless. Dropping BW and using a full normal sideboard gives you a lot of options against a broad field. this is something that most other storm decks lack in the format right now.
Burning Wish lets you get this cards even pre-board. Most the BW decks don't use more than... IDK - six spells? And they are still useful.
The obvious Wishboard is something like this:
Doomsday
Tendrils
IGG (?)
IT (?)
Than you have some utility cards (depends on your colors) like Shattering Spree, Cleanfall, Deathmark. These serve both as a BW target as well as a normal sb material. Not that you must use them.
You can still put some number of "real" cards - not that the above ones are in any way unreal... - like Confidant, Grip, anything else... Crypt maybe? This deck is not the fastest in existance, so why lose to Ichorid? :really:
The pile still wins for 1U and 2 cards in hand, just replace the top with brainstorm. I'm just saying there was a better way to win, and you're disagreeing with me?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aleksandr
I'm not sure what's the discussion about. I already wrote that I fucked up the pile. I can write it once again, if you're some kind of sadist that takes his pleasure from other people's bad luck. Than I wrote that I could pretty well won if I just Emrakuled for 16 and ToA for the remaining four. I can write it once again, 'cause my keyboard is fine and new.Quote:
Originally Posted by rsaunder
Yeah, there are tons of other possible ways to win. What's the noise?
I'd like to know from those who are currently NOT running Burning Wish how their configuration looks like. I'm trying since the banning of Mystical Tutor to find a build that resembles as much as possible the old Fetchland Tendrils lists (i.e. running Chants) in a UBw/g shell having 4 Infernal Tutor as the main engine (mainly because I don't like to play Emrakul maindeck, a lot has been debated about this but I just want to keep a flexible structure without a potential dead topdeck or a Hellbent-clogger), 4 Chants, 3 Duresses, 4 Petals and 3 Cabal Rituals, and also 3 Doomsdays. The main advantage of not running BWish, has someone has already pointed out, is that you do not have to warp your sideboard to stretch all the possible solutions PLUS Wish targets into it. Some may argue that you till have access to something like 8-9 slots, but I found myself more comfortable with the maximum space avaiable, especially considering that now, without Mystical, we're forced to run more redundant anti-hate solutions that have to fall under precise categories (hatebear removal, artifacts and permanent-based removal, CB hate plus Emrakul package for Cb, Discard, control decks and randomness like Solidarity).
Something along the line of:
SB: 1 [WL] Doomsday
SB: 2 [AQ] Hurkyl's Recall
SB: 1 [10E] Deathmark
SB: 3 [US] Carpet of Flowers/Xantid Swarm
SB: 1 [ON] Chain of Vapor
SB: 1 [FUT] Slaughter Pact
SB: 3 [TSP] Krosan Grip
SB: 1 [LRW] Shelldock Isle
SB: 1 [ROE] Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
SB: 1 [TSP] Wipe Away
Lets you have multiple solutions to each of the aforementioned problematic cards without being forced to do sketchy sideboarding and card selection due to having half of the space.
For some it could be better to still pack BWish and I get its utility when it allows you to both grab a storm piece and a solution and that's prefectly true, I know it since I play TES; but I would like to try something along the line of what Doomsday ANT has been, which was, for me, the Storm Combo version I loved the most (and had the most success with).
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The obvious flaw in this is that Doomsday, preboard, fully depends on a cantrip, because you can't go PTT DDay because of the lack of Emrakul. While I sometimes regret about it and i haven't completely made my mind on it, I'm willing to lose this option, since I easily realized how many times I lost due to drawing Emrakul as an essentially blank card, or discarding it to LED and basically negating my Igg-plan.
I found out Emrakul is essentially dead in these matchups:
-Tempo decks: New Horizons, Faeries, Merfolk, and such. Not only because of Wasteland, but also for Stifling the Hideway or the ativation, which may delay you one turn and cost the game.
-Other combo decks: sometimes cutting your life in a half and pass makes them only need for 4 spells and a Tendrils. You say Cloud of Faeries? If you would have the mana to use it, couldn't you be able to win via Tendrils on the spot? (Btw, against blue disruption, I don't like how Cloud of Faeries makes the piles vulnerable to Spell Snare, which has always been the great plus of DD-stacks).
Belcher? not really.
Ichorid? Emrakul is worthless past turn 2.
-Zoo decks: if you don't resolve it on turn1/2 and they drop a Nacatl, it's not great.
-LD black decks.
-Artifact-based. Blood Moon; Wasteland; Ensnaring Bridge.
Now, I could imagine it being still decent against all these (except those good saving Wasteland because of knowing the deck) if we could, say, go t1 Duress and t2 Doomsday for Shelldock on a regulr basis. But this happened really when there was a 1-mana instant U-tutor to grant the effectiveness-and the speed- of this kill. How much is Emrakul going to be effective when you manage to resolve a Dd through counters on turn 3 and the opponent has already set him with a Vial down, some Fish, or already has 2-3 mana out and a Nacatl + another random dork? I don't believe it's going to make it through a lot.
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You also have to resolve a Chant to go for the classical loop kill, but that's pretty obvious.
The speed is still quite good since the inclusion of the whole shell of the old FT variant, granting a great game against aggro; but it still keeps the resilience against blue-based. It's true that I'm going to lose 99% of the games against Counterbalance and Trinisphere (I just run 1 Chain of Vapor maindeck and that's for Gaddock Teeg, constantly maindecked in the Zoo builds here). Still, i'm of the felling the including Emrakul and Shelldock would increase your dead cards in the opening to:
-Meditate;
-Tendrils;
-Ill Gotten;
-Emrakul;
-Shelldock being half-dead, if you use it after Bs to get rid of the chaff, you preclude yourself the Emrakul plan.
-a Bounce spell (because you still have to run it not to lose from randomness).
That's a total of 6, or better, 5 and a half. Of course some are workable depending on the rest of the hand, but those are generally the cards you don't want to see in the first 7.
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Why still Chants? Because I have the feeling those lists running 4 Duress and 3 Thoughtseize are weakening the Igg-Loop very much. While I see that some think that its only purpose is to give a fast win against aggro, it's also true that sometimes you will also lose to Zoo having double Bolt or Bolt+Helix in the graveyard and recuring it,or even to random crap like someone Plowsharing their guys. Or even to Fow+Stifle recurred from tempo decks, where the Emrakul plan is generally not recommended (ok, there's Pithing Needle, but honestly, I don't believe packing cards with the purpose of protecting a single aspect of the deck is worth the space and the slot.)
Why not 7 Chants? Because they're dead against too many archetypes, and usually I find out that the general metagame is not really only geared towards blue-based, but the post-MT ban has opened a wider range bringing back rogue decks and tiers 2 like Enchantress and such. Also, Duress gives you hand information, and etc etc. You know these things very well.
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Also, I know it may sound noobish, but I've toyed around with Lim Dul's Vault, and just didn't like it. Paying 2 to stack your deck at the expense of some life is a powerful effect, but it's just plain too slow (especially on the draw), eats Cursecatcher, Daze and Wasteland very easily, usually does not leave you mana to spin SDT, and losing lives in a deck that already relies half of the time on resolving a half-life-cut sorcery, paired with fetchlands and opponent's beats, and with a speed that's not comparable to what ANT had, gives the aggro and the fast aggro-control deck (Merfolks) quite a hand.
I think I would play something like this http://www.deckcheck.net/deck.php?id=36916 but with a few minor changes.
You're probably right about not playing Emrakul maindeck. It will most likely screw you over more times than it will be helpful in this metagame. Without the ability to tutor for Brainstorm, I think it's too risky to play that many potentially dead cards mainboard. In the past it was worth the 2 slots because there were a lot of Reanimator decks in addition to CB decks, but now there are only CB decks and a few Wasteland-less control decks where Emrakul will be good.
I had to switch my Chants for Thoughtseize when Reanimator became a good deck, but I will switch back to Chant now. Being able to ignore Stifle, Spell Snare etc. is really good.
I'm glad you quoted my own list buddy, I didn't notice I finished on Deckcheck for the second time ! :D:DQuote:
Originally Posted by kikoo
Tell me what would you change. From that tournament, since I lost due to having Wipe Away and not Chain of Vapor maindeck to bounce a regular 2nd-turn Gaddock Teeg from Zoo,and also lots of times drawing multiple, un-necessary Doomdays, I did:
-1 Wipe Away, -1 Doomsday, +1 Chain of Vapor, +1 Infernal Tutor.
I also have some feeling I'd like to try Preordain in here to give the deck more "fluidity" (does that exist in English?), but I think it's not strictly neessary, given 11 cantrips, and I don't want to clog the deck's (already reduced) speed with 2-3 full turns of cantripping, which sometimes already happen.
Haha, nice. I guess I will playtest your list then, but with Chain in mainboard instead of Wipe.
Picelli, I think you made very good points. I just played a few games on MWS and I didn't like the Emrakul plan very well... I gonna use it in the real, because he is such a massive threat in our metgame, but I wish to play a bit more straightforward (be it Wish build, or even more straightforward non-Wish deck) after quite some tournaments.
How does your decklist look like? Btw, I don't think that it is impossible to build a flexible list that both uses Wish and does not clog the sb with too much randomness. Namely when bounce is usualy used as a set of one-ofs, that get rid of hatebear, Moon, taxing effect, Iona, anything...
But I really understand that going 5c is a bit difficult and losing games to Waste/Sinkhole is bothersome. The Wish decklist could use zero Chants and go UBgr, but than there's that problem with IGG loops been much more vulnerable.
And, with the rise of Grim Monolith decks... is Serenity good sideboard material? I know that it eats Moxes (and interacts with Top...), but it can destroy any number of permanent hate, no matter what composition of Spheres, Chalices* and Cannonist the opponent landed...
* yeah, I know, CotV@2 kills the card.
EDIT: :smile: the decklist thingie