2 Armageddons? That sounds very greedy but effective netherless.Quote:
Originally Posted by sdematt
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2 Armageddons? That sounds very greedy but effective netherless.Quote:
Originally Posted by sdematt
Good against Drazi and Miracles. Can't argue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thunderknight
My current list, been testing it a lot and it seems to hold ground:
3 Deathrite Shaman (only 3, sometimes it removes to much, so 2 Nobles, 3 Deathrites)
1 Gaddock Teeg
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Mother of Runes
2 Noble Hierarch (sometimes you get manascrewed because KOTR, Titiana, plus i like the extra exalted trigger)
2 Qasali Pridemage
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Scryb Ranger (why not?)
2 Stoneforge Mystic
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben (with 4 too often dead draw)
1 Titania, Protector of Argoth (couple of dorks + cradle + gsz)
2 Abrupt Decay
4 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
4 Swords to Plowshares
1 Sylvan Library
1 Plains
2 Forest
1 Scrubland
1 Bayou
2 Savannah
3 Verdant Catacombs (8 fetches sometimes 1 too much, i prefer 3 basics and needed spot for Maze)
4 Windswept Heath
4 Wasteland
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Karakas
1 Gaea's Cradle
1 Maze of Ith (i love this card, also in combo with KOTR, attack, damage, untap, tap)
1 Dryad Arbor
SB: 1 Abrupt Decay
SB: 1 Armageddon (i like)
SB: 1 Bojuka Bog
SB: 2 Choke
SB: 2 Ethersworn Canonist
SB: 1 Gaddock Teeg
SB: 1 Krosan Grip (board in versus sensei's d top)
SB: 1 Pithing Needle
SB: 3 Thoughtseize
SB: 2 Zealous Persecution
Feedback welcome. I will run this at some events soon.
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Originally Posted by sanderanders
We're running very similar list however my list is more synergistic with Titania's and maximizes the potential of dropping 5/3s
4 KoTR
3 DRS
3 Thalia (running 4 is not needed)
3 Mom
2 Pridemages
2 SFM
2 Nobles
1 Scryb Ranger
1 Sylvan Safekeeper (This card will win against Miracles, DnT, and any spot removal they have. It's also good because you can just one-shot Knight them lethal. It can be GSZ, and also it maximizes Titania's effect)
1 Titania (Faster Clock than Sigarda)
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Ooze
4 GSZ
3 STP
2 Abrupt Decays
1 Jitte
1 Sylvan Library
1 Garruk Relentless
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
4 Windswepth Health
2 Verdant Catacombs
1 Wooded Foothills
4 Wasteland
2 Bayou
2 Savannah
1 Scrubland
2 Forest
1 Plains
1 Gaea's Cradle
1 Cavern of souls (There's a lot of miracles in my meta)
1 Karakas
1 Dryad Arbor
SB: Now this is where I start to wander off.
3 Thoughtseize
2 Canonist
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Sylvan Library
2 Zealous Persecution
1 Choke
1 Armageddon
1 Pithing Needle
1 Abrupt Decay
1 Surgical Extraction
1 Hallowed Moonlight (Catnip + Catches all them tokens)
To be complete:Quote:
Originally Posted by Thunderknight
Spells:
-1 Mother of Runes
-1 Swords to Plowshares
+1 Sylvan Safekeeper
+1 Garruk Relentless
Lands:
-1 Maze of Ith
-1 Verdant Catacombs
-1 horizon Canopy (agree)
+1 Wooded Foothills
+1 Bayou
+1 Cavern of Souls
I think sideboardng is more of a local meta subject. Pretty much the same build, don't you agree? I will test Safekeeper, but i don't know if i can let go the 4th Mother of Runes... Sigh...i wish 62 was the standard... ;-)
Does anyone else really like the new Thalia to reinvigorate Maverick? Seems like it should have no problem coming down turn two. The question is what do we take out?
That's the tough question. You probably skim your stone forge package if you play it. Maybe shave a knight? Have your dudes look like:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimbrewersbro
5 Mana Dorks (plus 4 green sun)
4 Mom
3 Thalia , GoT
3 Kotr
3 New Thalia
1 Scooze
1 Teeg
Whatever other random bullets you run?
Would you still run any equiptment with out Stoneforge. I like the idea, but I feel like I still want a Jitte, and SOFI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megadeus
Or just run 2 Jitte like the old old days
Back when your opponent played a jitte so you would play jitte to blow up their jitte but want a second jitte for yourselfQuote:
Originally Posted by sdematt
Yeah I would keep the weapons, maybe cut a sword if you run two, and completely cut stone forge for thalia.
maybe side, vs d&t having many legends its really uselessQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimbrewersbro
its good vs lands combo and eldrazi, but still not green, so, maaybe u will never play her main deck, u cant have more monowhite creatures when u need the best combination for zenith
i saw this side up-posted:
3 Thoughtseize
2 Canonist
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Sylvan Library
2 Zealous Persecution
1 Choke
1 Armageddon
1 Pithing Needle
1 Abrupt Decay
1 Surgical Extraction
1 Hallowed Moonlight (Catnip + Catches all them tokens)
i dont like it, in a 0 cantrip deck u cant play 1 card side like surgical or pithing needle or choke , they are cards that u need 2x or u will never see it
i prefer always:
3 Thoughtseize
2 Canonist
2 Zealous Persecution
2 Choke
2 Pithing Needle
1 Abrupt Decay (2 min deck, so u can play with 0 swords vs miracle)
2-3 Surgical Extraction
1-2 green creture zenitable : gaddock/qasali/reclamation sage
I really like the new White Charm thing with super entwine. I think it's a solid 1-3 of in this deck. Good against delver match up, burn, true name, removal. I like it even as a simply combat trick
Hello,
My girlfriend is putting together the list below that was piloted to 6th @ SCG Invitational Qualifier by Cas Watson:
Creatures (25)
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Knight of the Reliquary
3 Mother of Runes
2 Noble Hierarch
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Scryb Ranger
2 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Courser of Kruphix
1 Gaddock Teeg
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
1 Dryad Arbor
Lands (23)
1 Forest
1 Plains
1 Bayou
1 Maze of Ith
2 Savannah
2 Scrubland
1 Thespian's Stage
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Wasteland
4 Windswept Heath
1 Karakas
1 Dark Depths
Spells (12)
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
2 Abrupt Decay
4 Swords to Plowshares
1 Umezawa's Jitte
4 Green Sun's Zenith
Sideboard
2 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Containment Priest
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Choke
2 Rest in Peace
2 Zealous Persecution
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Armageddon
3 Thoughtseize
I will probably play this from time to time as well and have been reading up on Maverick despite having played against it a million times.
I have experience playing Sylvan Plug which can have a few similar themes.
I'm aware that there seem to be two camps now. Cradle vs Dark Depths.
I can see how Cradle works better with Tireless Tracker and I can see how Courser may be better with Dark Depths. This list makes us both hot and am super excited about it.
Aside from the typical "Maze KotR at end of combat" and eot Dark Depths/Stage fetching and activating, I would appreciate any advanced quick tips.
The board seems pretty straight forward. Do I bring in Thoughtseize vs. Miracles? Is there anything that Geddon is good against besides Miracles and Eldrazi? Are there any Scryb Ranger tricks that may not be obvious aside from just getting additional KotR activations, having mom save herself, and mana ramp with dorks?
If I were to try to squeeze Sylvan Safekeeper into this list, suggestions on what to cut? 1 Thalia?
Sorry for the general questions and I will read more of the thread but looking to get up to speed quickly.
Thanks,
My opinion is that the 4 DRS and 2 Nobles is too many dorks (even without Cradle). I run the DD combo and like 4 DRS, 1 Noble. 4 Thalias is too many as she can often be a PIA top deck with one in play. I like 3. I would never roll out without 4 mothers honestly. I personally enjoy a single main deck library. I don't like RIP in the SB at all since I would never bring out knight, especially with the DD combo. DRS and scooze should hold out against most gy based decks plus they're tutorable with GSZ. I do run a SB bojuka bog since it can be a nifty little gotcha with an active Knight. 2 containment priests seems kinda meh. I still run 1 in my SB but I don't think i've seen many lists that even run that anymore. You have all sorts of game against reanimate between scooze and DRS and for sneak and show you kinda just have to pray you have karakas at the right time. I run 8 fetches right now (24 lands including dryad arbor) but I'm not sure it's the right build right now. I want to try out 7. Also, I like 2 Bayou 1 scrubland split personally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Octopusman
TLDR: -1 thalia, -1 noble, +1 mom and you're left with room for Safekeeper if you want, although I would play a library personally.
As far as tips, DRS works really well as a deter ant to any sort of GY shenanigans your opponent wants to pull. Make sure you leave up mana (and the right colors) for him if at all possible.
Watch out when fetching plains and make sure you don't get blown out by Massacre. (Happened to me against reanimate last night so it's fresh in my mind)
Fetching a dryad arbor at EOT is always a good way to get around the summoning sickness and can be a nice surprise blocker.
Finally, don't listen to anything I say because it's probably wrong lol.
Hello everyone,
Long time follower of the thread, first time poster. I just finished building maverick and just played my first legacy tournament last week. Went 3-0-1 for 3rd place beating mono white prison, grixis delver, and shardless BUG and drawing with Miracles (Surprise!). How does everyone board against miracles? It was the only match where I didn't quite feel confident in how I boarded.
My current sideboard (likely soon to change) is:
3 Thoughtseize
2 Zealous Persecution
1 Choke
1 Life from the Loam
1 Containment Priest
2 Surgical
2 Pithing Needle
1 Qasali Pridemage
2 Ethersworn Canonist
Maindeck is pretty stock dark depths version. I believe I boarded in the pridemage, needles, and choke. I know i boarded out atleast one wasteland and swords to plowshares. Should i be boarding out all of my stp's?
Otherwise I'm incredibly stoked to be playing legacy and look forward to contributing to the discussion.
Also as a side note I'm currently playing tarmogoyf in my one main deck flex spot and it thus far seems really good.
I am interested into hearing about Titania actually. How do you like her, versus sigarda? I am looking for a top end creature for my list as I prepare for scg worcester, and she is on my short list right now, however I have never played her, so before testing her next week, I would like to hear comments from someone who played her in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thunderknight
Other existential questions include 4 mom vs 3 mom/1 safekeeper , 3 vs 4 thalias, 3 stoneforge + jitte-batterskull vs 2 stoneforge + jitte - SoFaI. I haven't figured out exactly what I find optimal so far. I'll try to test as much as I can of these combination of cards in the coming weeks, online mostly, but some advice here would be appreciated, I feel somewhat lost here, for now.
For those interested, this is where i'm at so far:
4 KoTR
3 DRS
3 Thalia
4 Mom
1 Pridemage
2 SFM
1 noble
1 bird of paradise
1 Scryb Ranger
1 Titania / glissa the traitor (really good against eldrazis)/tarmogoyf (sometimes I wished I had a cheap beatstick that can also be a wall. It's very low on my shortlist tho)/sigarda /Safekeeper
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Ooze
4 GSZ
4 STP
2 Abrupt Decays
1 Jitte
2 Sylvan Library
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
4 Windswepth Health
3 Verdant Catacombs
1 marsh flats
1 horizon canopy
4 Wasteland
2 Bayou
2 Savannah
1 Scrubland
1 Forest
1 Plains
1 Gaea's Cradle
1 Karakas
1 Dryad Arbor
Side:
4 Thoughtseize
2 Canonist
1 Gaddock Teeg
2 Zealous Persecution
2 Armageddon
1 Abrupt Decay
2 Surgical Extraction
1 garruck relentless
Recently took out bitterblossom from the side, as when it was a good card, it ended up not matching well against monastery mentor when I could not have it soon enough. Opted to go full armageddon instead...
To go in general, I take out all my swords and usually a knight (that might be wrong tho, and taking out a wasteland might be a better idea here. Before I had 3 equipments so I would take out jitte too, but with only 2, I like to keep both in) and enter my grindy cards (decay, teeg, garruck, geddon). The reason I take all my swords out is because usually 3 decay after board will do their job better IMO. And in any cases, if mentor hits with a bunch of mana open, it's usually game over anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by ET1
Does anyone think the prevalence of Eldrazi in large, open metas necessitates the inclusion of Batterskull in the Equipment package? I understand the matchup is supposed to be solid for us but I don't have enough experience with it yet to make this judgment myself.
Seems like the new Thalia has serious potential - playtesting required, of course. As previously pointed out, 2 cmc vs. 3 cmc does make a noticeable difference, however, with our stock 5 mana dork list (4:1 or 3:2 DRS:Noble) she should be playable T2 fairly consistently. With this in mind, that begs the question, should we be looking more at running a 3:2 split instead of the more common 4:1 mana dork split to ensure she sticks on the board more consistently?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimbrewersbro
Also, what kind of split of Thalias are people considering? I'm thinking 3:2 of the old Thalia and new Thalia to start. (I typically run a list of 4 Thalia, GoT.) I know they do not overlap due to the creature legendary rule, but there's only so much space in the deck and so I'm trying to parse out the correct numbers.
One other question I have as well: In light of Eldrazi's significant Legacy presence/success, are people still secure with running 4 Mother of Runes and 0 Sylvan Safekeeper? Is it time to consider running a 3:1 split? Safekeeper essentially acts as Mother of Runes in that MU, particularly with respect to the displacer eldrazi guy.
I think a 3/3 split of the old and new Thalia is ballbusting. I would always run 4/1 split of protections, its one of the best things this deck can do.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheoryCraft