Yes, I think there will be a shift from Omnitell to Sneaky Show for sure.
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Yes, I think there will be a shift from Omnitell to Sneaky Show for sure.
I'm not sure this is even good enough, but will Upheaval see any play with Vise? Seems expensive but cool...
I pity those who planned the Seattle trip using Omni-tell. If you played at local GPT and you lost to Omni-tell yet you really want to go to that Legacy GP, considered yourself cheated.
Nice ban and unban for Legacy.. i'm curious for what happend with grixis now.
It's not all that hard to convert UR Omnitell to Sneaky Show, and that deck is going to be pretty good most likely.Quote:
Originally Posted by twndomn
Boooo I wish they didn't ban Dig Through Time
I have signed foil play set that I'll never get to use outside of standard now...
My thoughts as well - except the SnT player just can't win on the stack no matter what you have in your hand when playing Omni (vs Sneak and Show).Quote:
Originally Posted by Admiral_Arzar
That was the really frustrating part about playing against DTT. It doesn't care about Ashen Rider or other hate cards, it would just dig on the stack and win regardless. So much less fun...
Banning was very deserved but I'm still slightly surprised. Either way, very happy with this change.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers...9428&type=cardQuote:
Originally Posted by twndomn
I don't feel that bad. Anybody rocking OmniTell had to have seen this ban coming. Shiet, anybody rocking DTT in general had to know. Didn't it feel dirty to resolve that card? It's Just Not Right.
Nah, it's just as good as all the other awesome spells in legacyQuote:
Originally Posted by danyul
People find something different to gripe about every year.
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Originally Posted by Bobmans
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Originally Posted by Jain_Mor
Aaaand this is my problem with the change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pilhas
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles...one-2005-03-04
"Unacceptable. The worst thing that could happen, in our eyes, would be for people to come back to Standard, full of hope and under the impression that Affinity was dead, only to lose to a weaker-but-still-potent Affinity deck in Round 1 of Regionals."
I miss this type of reasonable thinking and justification. Now they can't even be bothered to give the explanation its own article. Unless you're playing Elves and are directly impacted by the presence of OmniTell, there's nothing to get excited about. It'll be the same format you saw last week.
Do you mean Dig through time?Quote:
Originally Posted by Will_L
DTT was degenerate... there's no reason you should stare at multiple hate cards in your hand and have the OmniTell player just combo off with whatever you played on the stack. Such nonsense that I really will not miss at all (though, I do feel bad for those players who invested into DTT based decks, since obviously they won't be as strong going forward).
As a Lands player, I am fairly fucking excited.
I'm pretty excited to not have to play Slaughter Games as a janky answer to Omnitell anymore. My sideboard can finally go back to (somewhat) normal!
I see what you're saying, but it's anything but the same format. It has more in common with the format thirteen months ago than it does with the format thirteen days ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by iamajellydonut
No... For example, non-blue GBx decks that proactively interact via discard were severely hampered by dig through times presence in the format in all sorts of decks.Quote:
Originally Posted by iamajellydonut
As a Lands player, I'm actually not. Omni was easy postboard, Sneak will be harder especially considering they bring Blood Moon. However, as an "everything else I play" player, I'm pretty excited.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dice_Box
Nic-Fit, Jund, Rock, and Maverick were pet decks before Dig Through Time and they'll continue to be pet decks after it's gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jain_Mor
And it's fine that they're pet decks. I fukken love pet decks. But it doesn't change the fact that they're hampered by far more than just Dig Through Time. If you're happy with such a superficial change, great, but don't be all bummed out when you run into the same walls as before.
Lol ok, yes sir!Quote:
Originally Posted by iamajellydonut
All of those players still have a playable legacy deck, it is called omni-tell. It is tier 2 like a lot of legacy decks.Quote:
Originally Posted by twndomn
And I always considered myself cheated when I lost to DTT, GPT or no, so...
Black Vise is unbanned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://i.imgur.com/FYq7M.gif
I got 28 Black Vises.Quote:
Originally Posted by H
32/32 Thoughtseize inc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jain_Mor
I'm excited for the changes. Black Vise being unbanned feels really cool. I don't think it'll do anything, but that's okay.
-Matt
I feel twelve years old again! :) So glad it's back!Quote:
Originally Posted by sdematt
page 666 and vise is unbanned
Vise was never legal in Legacy, am I correct? It came over with the 1 to 1.5 restricted to ban list?
But what happens with Grixis/BURg decks? It felt like DTT was the glue that held those decks together. Maybe i should start playing something else than bad control decks. Too bad.
Black Vise hasn't seen the light of day in twenty years - correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by H
Fantastic. I like that it's getting it's chance, for better or worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Keller
To me, doing something (potentially bad) isn't a bad as not doing anything at all.
I'm eager to see how this pans out.
About Black Vise unbanning:
http://i.imgur.com/XYBAs.gif
I will make it my mission to Ancient Tomb-out two of these turn one every chance I get, win or lose.Quote:
Originally Posted by H
Then trinisphere followup?Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Keller
Wasteland them, Mox Diamond, Trinisphere; go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blastoderm
Too bad it conflicts with Chalice on 1.
Still waiting for that Delver ban
Okay, so, the Spotlight Artist at GP Seattle is Nils Hamm and you want a Delver ban? Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by aluisiocsantos
#KeepDreaming
From my phone. I do my best, dammit!
Play Storm and crush Delver?Quote:
Originally Posted by aluisiocsantos
Storm doesn't crush Delver at all?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blastoderm
Which version of Delver are you crushing? The one full of hand disruption and counters, the one with Stifle and one mana counters or the one with a clock, counters and a 4/4 Lifelinker?
Just from reading each thread and how everyone is reacting to the news I've figured out that no one knows anything about this format at all. Apparently BUG, RUG, & Miracles are each the new top dog of the format. Also storm crushes Delver.Quote:
Originally Posted by rlesko