Re: Kaladesh -or- When Kiran met Pia
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Originally Posted by
Barook
Vehicles are probably good enough for Standard and maybe Modern if all planets align, but I don't think we've seen Eternal material yet.
A well known local shops player is really excited for Skysovereign, Consul Flagship and Fleetwheel Cruiser. I think he was testing 3 Cruisers and 1 Flagship main deck with an Inventor's Fair in the board for the mirror.
Since vehicles aren't creatures, your Oath matchup is improved. He had a lot other reasons why they're going to be great.
Re: Kaladesh -or- When Kiran met Pia
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Originally Posted by
Ace/Homebrew
A well known local shops player is really excited for Skysovereign, Consul Flagship and Fleetwheel Cruiser. I think he was testing 3 Cruisers main with a Flagship in the board.
Since vehicles aren't creatures, your Oath matchup is improved. He had a lot other reasons why they're going to be great.
Right, because they are so great without any creatures on board. So far, all the CARS seem like riffs on equipment. Only the mega broken ones see any play.
Re: Kaladesh -or- When Kiran met Pia
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Originally Posted by
MaximumC
Right, because they are so great without any creatures on board.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/aEtm69mLK6w/hqdefault.jpg
Crew 2 hmmm... What could shops possibly use to drive those things?
Mishra's Factory maybe?
Pretty sure they play Though-Knot Seer too... and Revoker and Golem and Ravager.
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In fact, Cruiser having trample seems pretty relevant in a deck that uses Ravager.
Re: Kaladesh -or- When Kiran met Pia
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Originally Posted by
bruizar
Thus is what i bought, all foil. Still missing some cards. Many i bought because i thought they were too cheap
3x Skysovereign, Consul Flagship (Kaladesh)
4x Toolcraft Exemplar
4x Paradoxical Outcome
4x Bomat Courier
4x Fleetwheel Cruiser
4x Ghirapur Orrery
4x Smuggler's Copter
4x Madcap Experiment
4x Animation Module
3x Inventors' Fair
4x Ovalchase Daredevil
4x Inventor's Goggles
1x Lotus Petal invention
Toolcraft Exemplar works great with skyship btw. Bought the vehicles because i think we probably underestimate them but didnt know which one will spike. Batterskull / living weapon is most similar to vehicle.
Whats up with Inventor's Goggles?
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This just struck me - what's the logic behind a train driving a car..? You can use the Arcadara Express to crew an Ovalchase Dragster. Or a Smuggler's Copter. Yes, a train flying an inconspicuous helicopter. Hmm. :rolleyes:
The mechanic has some cool flavour-potential, but can (flavorwise) also just be downright stupid when you decide to take things as literal as you can.
Re: Kaladesh -or- When Kiran met Pia
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Originally Posted by
Echelon
This just struck me - what's the logic behind a train driving a car..? You can use the
Arcadara Express to crew an
Ovalchase Dragster. Or a
Smuggler's Copter. Yes, a train flying an inconspicuous helicopter. Hmm. :rolleyes:
The mechanic has some cool flavour-potential, but can (flavorwise) also just be downright stupid when you decide to take things as literal as you can.
We are talking about a group of magical people throwing fire and mind bullets around while having the power of the show "Sliders". Taking that literally is your first mistake.
Re: Kaladesh -or- When Kiran met Pia
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Dice_Box
We are talking about a group of magical people throwing fire and mind bullets around while having the power of the show "Sliders". Taking that literally is your first mistake.
Yeah... I stay as far away from the lore as I can (and reading that I'm glad that I do)... And I liked Sliders when I was a kid! Lol!
Re: Kaladesh -or- When Kiran met Pia
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Originally Posted by
phonics
Whats up with Inventor's Goggles?
Not much other than it was dirt cheap. When artificers are involved I always think of Goblin Welder, SFM and Auriok Salvagers. Being able to protect Welder better has some uses, but nothjng competitive since it still wont survive a bolt. I just wanted goggles in my collection and for 1.30 i could get the playset :-)
Re: Kaladesh -or- When Kiran met Pia
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Originally Posted by
Ace/Homebrew
A well known local shops player is really excited for Skysovereign, Consul Flagship and Fleetwheel Cruiser. I think he was testing 3 Cruisers main with a Flagship in the board.
Since vehicles aren't creatures, your Oath matchup is improved. He had a lot other reasons why they're going to be great.
Skysovereign triggers on attack , not combat resolution. That's pretty powerful. I believe you can go to your attack step, make exemplar a 3/2, then crew it before declaring attackers, and shoot something. The 3 damage lost is translated to the ability of skyship. Smugglers copter is a good way to get otherwise weak creatures like gaddock teeg or dark confidant into the red zone while drawing into card quality. Copter triggers on attack AND defense, which is sweet.
A famous vintage player stated that orrery will redefine vintage and stated that it is likely that metalwork colossus will be the only creature played by workshop decks. The rest will be ensnaring bridges, orrerys, crucicbles ghostquarters and wastelands to turbo lock someone.
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How is metalwork colossus going to win through ensnaring bridge? Bridge locks stax out as well.
Re: Kaladesh -or- When Kiran met Pia
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Captain Hammer
How is metalwork colossus going to win through ensnaring bridge? Bridge locks stax out as well.
Welder? Smokestack?
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Re: Kaladesh -or- When Kiran met Pia
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Originally Posted by
MaximumC
Right, because they are so great without any creatures on board. So far, all the CARS seem like riffs on equipment. Only the mega broken ones see any play.
One of the things I was originally wondering about is whether the vehicles could be 'tap outlets' for Pain Seer and Disciple of Deceit, but I'm not sure any of the vehicles (or inspired cards) are good enough to justify that.
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Originally Posted by
rufus
One of the things I was originally wondering about is whether the vehicles could be 'tap outlets' for
Pain Seer and
Disciple of Deceit, but I'm not sure any of the vehicles (or inspired cards) are good enough to justify that.
There is also an abusability with cards that have the Untap Symbol in their cost as well, like Order of Whiteclay since you can use the Crew ability as many times as you'd like. Problem is that none of them are really worth it, I don't think. (Actually, Duergar Mine-Captain is a Dwarf! They knew, they knew...)
Re: Kaladesh -or- When Kiran met Pia
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Originally Posted by
H
There is also an abusability with cards that have the Untap Symbol in their cost as well, like
Order of Whiteclay since you can use the Crew ability as many times as you'd like. Problem is that none of them are really worth it, I don't think. (Actually,
Duergar Mine-Captain is a Dwarf! They knew, they knew...)
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers...7210&type=card
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Full spoiler is up: http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles...llery/kaladesh
Looks like Shops has gotten some tools, but Legacy didn't get much, only fringe playables (Blossoming Defense, Combustible Gearhulk, Chandra)
Anybody see anything that I might have missed? SOI had Stormchaser Mage and Prized Amalgam, while EMN had Bedlam Reveler and Thalia. I was hoping for something along those lines at the very least :(
Re: Kaladesh -or- When Kiran met Pia
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Originally Posted by
akatsuki
Full spoiler is up:
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles...llery/kaladesh
Looks like Shops has gotten some tools, but Legacy didn't get much, only fringe playables (Blossoming Defense, Combustible Gearhulk, Chandra)
Anybody see anything that I might have missed? SOI had Stormchaser Mage and Prized Amalgam, while EMN had Bedlam Reveler and Thalia. I was hoping for something along those lines at the very least :(
The only thing that comes close is
http://media.wizards.com/2016/bVvMNu...ErR7ZA4YHN.png
And that's niche at best. It's a Goyf blocker for Affinity, and maybe something else, as it's a theoretical UU 5/6 with no drawback, and we know those creatures are potentially powerful (see also: Gurmag Angler.)
EDIT: there's also
http://media.wizards.com/2016/bVvMNu...HjYa2D8roa.png
that has applications in all formats. draw-fixing plus potential discard? At one mana, that seems highly relevant.
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Darkenslight
http://static.starcitygames.com/sale.../Ostracize.jpg
17 years of black powercreep lol
Re: Kaladesh -or- When Kiran met Pia
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Lemnear
17 years of black powercreep lol
Yeah, new card is unlikely to do much outside of Standard.
I believe Obstinate Baloth is fairly prevalent as a sideboard card in Modern.
Re: Kaladesh -or- When Kiran met Pia
Hmm... is there a Necrologia combo with Fateful Showdown?