[Official] Bitching About Prices, Buyouts and Reprints Thread

Proxy events are already happening, it's just that most people are not aware of it yet.

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Originally Posted by Barook

WotC goes out of their way to fuck Legacy events over anyway (see: MKM series).

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Don't want to derail the topic but can you share some words how wotc is meddling with MKM legacy series?

Pretty much all local events are already on 10-15 proxies. It's the larger ones that cannot really alow them.

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Originally Posted by Mr Miagi

Pretty much all local events are already on 10-15 proxies. It's the larger ones that cannot really alow them.

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In our league we allow full proxy. We don't do deck checks, and even if we did them, it would be a pain in the ass to identify which cards are proxies (some people bring HQ proxies) and count them. What if they mistakenly bring 16 proxies instead of 15? DQ? nah, it wouldn't make any sense to us. We just want to be as many as we can and have fun playing magic.

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Originally Posted by Mr Miagi

Don't want to derail the topic but can you share some words how wotc is meddling with MKM legacy series?

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Julian knows more about it, but something about forcing them to include Standard to be an official tournament and not recognizing Legacy & Vintage (point multiplier or whatever, can't remember the details).

Shaman is gone. What's gonna happen to the price of USea?

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Originally Posted by whocansay

Shaman is gone. What's gonna happen to the price of USea?

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Nothing, because a) price memory and b) us not knowing where the meta wents from there.

I predict that Tundra & Tropical will skyrocket now with Hierarch into TNN being already a thing and gaining more steam with these bannings. Keep an eye on Mentor as well

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Originally Posted by Lemnear

Nothing, because a) price memory and b) us not knowing where the meta wents from there.

I predict that Tundra & Tropical will skyrocket now with Hierarch into TNN being already a thing and gaining more steam with these bannings. Keep an eye on Mentor as well

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"Underground Sea price won't go down because nobody knows where the meta is going, additionally, the price of Tundra and Tropical will go up because the meta is moving towards Hierarch into TNN"

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Originally Posted by kombatkiwi

"Underground Sea price won't go down because nobody knows where the meta is going, additionally, the price of Tundra and Tropical will go up because the meta is moving towards Hierarch into TNN"

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Price speculation is a thing. Every major upshake was followed by buyouts so far. I don't think that prices go anywhere but up until the dust settled

Tropical? Tropical looks terrible now.

Volcanic. Everyone will be looking to swap out Trops to Volcs, because Red is just flatly better overall than Green right now, unless you have some widely specific need for Green, like Infect.

Death and Taxes gets much better now, so lots of -X/-X effects out of boards in all probability, Heirarch and TNN are collateral damage.

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Originally Posted by H

Tropical? Tropical looks terrible now.

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Good luck playing Rug delver without trops.

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Originally Posted by Hopo

Good luck playing Rug delver without trops.

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Well, I own 9 Trops, so I won't need any luck. :wink:

However, RUG is still probably behind Grixis adding Stifle, because of Push. Angler is better than Goyf, via Push. Goose is a question mark in that matchup, off the top of my head, but I don't know that it de-facto makes RUG superior.

Wow, the prices on these duals right now. How long until no new players get into paper Legacy, the existing player base dwindles away and revised duals start crashing? I mean, revised cards, even though they are restricted, won´t keep these prices just because of collectibility and EDH, right?

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Originally Posted by Havrekjex

Wow, the prices on these duals right now. How long until no new get into paper Legacy, the existing player base dwindles away and revised duals start crashing? I mean, revised cards, even though they are restricted, won´t keep these prices just because of collectibility and EDH, right?

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Ever heard of Vintage? :D

You mean that Magic Online format?

Yeah, it´s exactly what I mean, but most of the expensive restricted cards for Vintage are either from a set with a low print run, or shared with Legacy, which is still widely played. There are a lot more revised U-Seas out there than there are Time Walks. So when it comes to card prices, the comparison could end there. I don´t know how long I´ll dare to sit on my duals. Several more years, of course, but they could actually point downward at some point.

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Originally Posted by Havrekjex

Wow, the prices on these duals right now. How long until no new players get into paper Legacy, the existing player base dwindles away and revised duals start crashing? I mean, revised cards, even though they are restricted, won´t keep these prices just because of collectibility and EDH, right?

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I can only laugh at people thinking the popularity of legacy has any significant influence on the prices of duals... Legacy's poplularity and the price of duals have been exactly antiproportonal over the least ~4 years. Right know all duals spiked while legacy was at a super stale point.

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Originally Posted by Havrekjex

I mean, revised cards, even though they are restricted, won´t keep these prices just because of collectibility and EDH, right?

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Why not? If a collector has Revised duals, that means those cards are unlikely to see ownership other than another collector. Similarly, EDH players will keep their duals but to play with them. There's a higher chance the EDH duals will someday get into the hands of competitive Legacy players.

Just to clarify:

If/when paper legacy becomes as rare as paper vintage is today, you expect duals to maintain their current prices or go higher?

I'm not making any claims to to the contrary, I don't know this shit. That's why I'm here asking all the stupid questions.

Assuming Legacy turns into Vintage, then I guess duals go to EDH. I don't know shit about the EDH "metagame" but I'd imagine it's less Blue: the Format, and if all colors are kind of equal, then prices would normalize to account for even demand. Taiga would still be pricey, but Underground Sea wouldn't have a reason to be 400% difference.

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Originally Posted by Havrekjex

Just to clarify:

If/when paper legacy becomes as rare as paper vintage is today, you expect duals to maintain their current prices or go higher?

I'm not making any claims to to the contrary, I don't know this shit. That's why I'm here asking all the stupid questions.

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I think the best guess in that regards can be made looking at more fringe vintage cards which sure had no surge in demand, but still climbed like Library of Alexandria.

I guess price memory, hoarders trying to flip for profit and cards getting lost/destroyed will keep prices rising even if we talk cards like duals with much higher print run than most vintage staples. I can imagine that EDH and old school are more layer pushing the price of duals.

I have doubts that the prices of staples are still mainly driven by demand rather than speculation, especially in cases like Mox Diamond