[Deck] The Rock

So.. We can play a poor mans ponder in green, that pumps our goyfs in multiples and let's us cast Liliana off 3 different basic lands or even a forest and 2 wastelands. Interesting.

4 Oath of Nissa
4 Thoughtsieze
2 IoK
4 Shaman
4 Goyf
4 Bob
4 SFM
2 Tidehollow / 2 KotR
2 Liliana
1 Planeswalker/Liliana
1 Jitte
1 SoFaI
1 BSK
4 Decay
2 StP

20 Land
4 Verdant
2 Marsh Flats
2 Windswept
4 Wasteland
1 Forest
1 Swamp
1 Plains
2 Bayou
1 Scrubland
2 Savannah

SB
1 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
1 Elspeth, Knight
2 Gaddock Teeg
2 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Thalia
2 Containment Priest
2 Nihil Spellbomb
2 Toxic Deluge
1 Scavenging Ooze

Too bad Oath doesn't fetch you instants, sorceries, enchantments or artifacts.

Yes, that's what you should take away from this.

Are you kidding me? I'm pretty excited about this. First Truths, now this? I'm ecstatic. I can't wait to start theorycrafting a new build. This may even help open up other archetypes, such as Superfriends.

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So, what do ya think?

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What about a build with more dudes as "spells" like shtiekmaw?

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So, what do ya think?

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Efficiency is worse than Treetop Village, and I think a 3/3 trampler is much better than a 2/2 deathtouch. I've tried Nantuko Monastery and that seems better as well. I just don't think the dual color production is worth the weaker manland, especially in a format that historically plays very few manlands (mutavault occasionally, factories in pox etc, and dark depths aside.) Its just too risky, even as a 1-of, in rock.

I've been on treetop x1 in rock for years, but I am in the minority.

I also play a 1x-of Treetop Village. You are probably correct, I also think that I would play the G/W manland first, simply because of Delver.

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Even Shambling Vent's lifelink is better than this.

No, I think the Deathtouch is better than lifelink. There are already multiple ways of gaining life in the deck, I think if not trample for a potentially faster clock, then some way of affecting the battlefield is best.

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The draw to the new B/G manland is the Deathtouch (attacks through Goyf, blocks Goyf).

Is that worth the extra mana cost, and the worse stats? I suspect not, at least for Legacy. If this were to be played, I'd expect it in a defensive deck, like old school BUG control. But that deck isn't really a thing anymore, and I'm not sure it would be interested in this even if it were.

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No, I think the Deathtouch is better than lifelink. There are already multiple ways of gaining life in the deck, I think if not trample for a potentially faster clock, then some way of affecting the battlefield is best.

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But being an x/3+ is better than being an x/2 by miles. This gets killed by everything but Decay; including Pfire, the vast majority of 2-drops in legacy, shardless agent, and other garbage cards (it's a good card, but you know what I mean.)

I've been waiting for this card since Zendikar, and it's garbage. Trading with Tarmogoyf/BSK Token for the loss of beating or swinging through every other creature in legacy is a *MASSIVE* loss in effectiveness. Literally every other land in the 10-card cycle except for the RB and probably the RU land is better. Better at pushing damage, better at getting the damage through due to evasion

I stand by that. UW, UB, UG(barely), RG, RW(barely), WG, WB.

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They'd rather have UB (who just attacks through) or UG (who beats everything but Zombie-Fish/Goyf; where as this draws or loses with everything)

Sure, but you will notice I didn't make any argument for playing the card, though. I only said that Deathtouch is better in a vacuum for this deck than Lifelink in reference to the manland slot, nothing more.

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Sure, but you will notice I didn't make any argument for playing the card, though. I only said that Deathtouch is better in a vacuum for this deck than Lifelink in reference to the manland slot, nothing more.

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But what I mean is that a 2/3 is better than an X/2, regardless of abilities*; due to the vast number of 2/x's in Legacy.
Apologies if you already got that from my post, I may have buried it in ranting or something :p

*These abilities. Were we comparing Flying or card drawing or brutal abilities like that, obviously I'd retract my argument and jump off a cliff or something.

With Thoughtseize, Bob, Painful Truths, fetchlands, Bitterblossom, etc., paying life is a thing and finding ways to hedge against that is not worth ignoring.

@Tescrin: I understand, and obviously any increase in stats is going to make it better, but I don't know if it would be enough to make it playable. Maybe.

@jrsthethird: Sure, but we already have DRS, Scooze, Jitte, Batterskull, StP, and some people play Sword of Light and Shadow, granted it's more of a DGA thing. At what point does the redundancy become irrelevant?

Edit: If you care to play it there's also Siege Rhino.

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Hey all, I was recommended to post on this thread. I'm trying to put together a list - how does this look so far?

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// Deck: legacy Junk (60)

// Lands
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Dryad Arbor
2 Forest
1 Marsh Flats
2 Plains
2 Savannah
1 Scrubland
1 Swamp
3 Verdant Catacombs
1 Volrath's Stronghold
3 Wasteland
4 Windswept Heath

// Creatures
4 Deathrite Shaman
1 Eternal Witness
3 Knight of the Reliquary
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Scavenging Ooze
3 Stoneforge Mystic
4 Veteran Explorer

// Spells
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Batterskull
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Liliana of the Veil
2 Lingering Souls
4 Swords to Plowshares
2 Thoughtseize
1 Umezawa's Jitte

// Sideboard
SB: 2 Abrupt Decay
SB: 3 Ethersworn Canonist
SB: 1 Gaddock Teeg
SB: 1 Grafdigger's Cage
SB: 1 Harmonic Sliver
SB: 1 Karakas
SB: 2 Krosan Grip
SB: 1 Pithing Needle
SB: 2 Surgical Extraction
SB: 1 Thoughtseize

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I'm not focusing too much on the sideboard for now, I know that will need some work.

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Hey all, I was recommended to post on this thread. I'm trying to put together a list - how does this look so far?

I'm not focusing too much on the sideboard for now, I know that will need some work.

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At first glance this is closer to NicFit then it is to the Rock. Or maybe a bit of both, not really sure.. But since this is the Rock thread i would suggest taking out Veteran Explorer and Cabal Therapy for 2 Thoughtseize (extra), 3 Tarmogoyf, 1/2 extra Liliana, 1/2 extra Abrupt Decay. This should give you some more aggressiveness. Or if you wanna stay on the NicFit plan, then at least include Sigarda.

So here's what I am going to be testing at my LGS's monthly legacy Win-a-box on the 6th.

4 DRS
2 Scooze
2 Revoker
3 Stoneforge Mystic
4 Tarmogoyf

2 Liliana
2 Elspeth
1 Sorin, Lord of Innistrad

4 Oath of Nissa
1 Batterskull
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Toxic Deluge
1 Sylvan Library
2 Painful Truths
2 Thoughtseize
4 Swords to Plowshares
3 Abrupt Decay

3 Wasteland
1 Karakas
1 Plains
1 Swamp
1 Forest
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Treetop Village
1 Stirring Wildwood
1 Savannah
2 Scrubland
2 Bayou
1 Marsh Flats
3 Windswept Heath
4 Verdant Catacombs

I don't have a board yet, but it will probably be close to:

1 Abrupt Decay
1 Sylvan Library
1 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Thoughtseize
2 Bitterblossom
2 Krosan Grip
3 Choke
1 Duress
2 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Surgical Extraction

I'm not going to say it's better or even as good, but I want to get an idea for how playable Oath of Nissa is.


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Hey guys,
First of all sorry for my bad english

My list
4 DRS
4 Goyf
4 Bob
3 SFM
2 Siege Rhino

4 Decay
4 StP
1 Painful Truths
1 Sylvan Library
2 Liliana
1 Jitte
1 Batterskull
3 Seize
3 Hymn
3 Lingering Souls

3 Basic
2 Scrub
2 Bayou
1 Savannah
4 Wasteland
4 Marsh Flats
3 Verdant Catacombs
2 Windswept Heath

My sideaboard is always change (Enlightened Tutor Package or not)
Garruk Rentless, Zealous Persecution, Councils, Containment Priest, Elspeth, Knight-Errant and Sword of Fire And Ice
I started playing the Abzan in the final of last year, I want do change the deck was I known in store and I decided choose this, i played 3 Tournaments with this list I made(Tournaments 10- 18 players )

I would like some suggestions to improve this list

Again sorry for my bad english (If it's to call it English)

Thanks guys

I top 8'ed with the build. I beat storm, Reanimator, and Enchantress, lost to Infect, tied with Mardu Mentor, and in the quarterfinals I lost 2-1 vs. a UR control list with TNN. Finished 7th seed.

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