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Yeah, he got to play against Belcher, so hard :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by gamegeek2
The guy plays Wall of Blossoms maindeck. It cantrips, so that's good, but as far as I know it only stops a Goyf 1 turn. On the other hand it stops alot of other creatures. Cool idea.
He admitted he is NOT a legacy player, is playing MD Firespout cause he expected lots of zoo, and that is the 'easiest deck to build and play' so, it is what it is
This is not a combo that comes out turn 2. Turn two should be dedicated to setting up CB/ TOP. The sword of the meek just seems like his win condition of choice. Yes it is slow but his deck is ment to be slow. This version is slow and Shackles would be a good idea to add to the deck as an alternative win condition. If he is trying to make tokens as fast as he can he is probably losing.Quote:
Originally Posted by chokin
Well, either way, he'd only be able to make about 4 tokens at a time. Against any aggro deck, it's a perpetual Fog until someone breaks it. And if they don't have much resistance, it's a victory.
On the other hand, Painter Grindstone is a win condition that ends the game barring Gaea's Blessing. PG is a little easier to disrupt, but with CBTop down, it's not that bad.
Just something to think about. If you're saying that the combo comes after CBTop, then Painter seems like the better win to me unless I'm missing something.
On a side note, I saw someone run a Landstill-esque build with Intuition for Academy Ruins, Thopter Foundry, Sword of the Meek. With a Crucible in play, that's a pretty mean stack. I think that it's one of the best ways to pull off the combo.
It cantrip but really sucks because you play firespout MD and they are there for the same reason of walls, ponders are much better than this wall and don't make you waste 1 green mana and did not suffle your top loking for CB which he did not find agains belcher.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skeggi
About CB , i would not play it if i did not know very well the most played legacy decks and comons plays.I would go with merfolks or stax if i would a non legacy player.
Even if Blossoms don't stop Goyf, it stops Ape, Pridemage, Natctl. So there's some validity there in it's inclusion. Only being worried about stopping four cards is a bit of a ridiculous reason to think of Wall of Blossoms being bad. Of course, our card pool has improved since then, so I guess you don't need it anymore.
Wall of Blossoms also seems like it would be strong against Tempo Thresh, if they have a Mongoose without Thresh they need Bolt to kill it so that is saving you 4 damage there and if they don't have Bolt/Fire|Ice could save yourself even more damage. Also having more 12-14ish 2cc spells is nice with CB.
Yes, that's another good reason to pack Wall of Blossoms. It can buy you so much time against a deck that wants to cut you down on time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gekoratel
Also, Wall of Blossoms is decent against Merfolk and Goblins. Also, Wall can force Merfolk and Gobs to overextend, which allows you to cast Firesprout.
Yep, Submerge isn't as bad on this one as it is on Goyf.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gekoratel
Yes and for the cc3 slot some :F
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You would almost include Doran and Rolling Stones... :rolleyes:
hey, guess what....
shield sphere just called and wants to be included in the rolling stones, doran, counterbalance, wall of blossoms and wall of denial deck.
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What you really want is Wall of Mulch.
Add Illusionary Wall and Goyfs and Tombstalkers will never hit you again!! and it counters force if in the top!!!
Seriously: Rhox is a atack for 3 wall that can double blocks , why do you need more defensive cards?It also counters 3cc which are very popular against CT.
playing walls is just counterproductive in legacy, they don't help you win...
its not like you need to force aggro to overextend into a wrath/sweeper... they are going to do it to you regardless..
like in type2 when playing cruel control, we used to run out the kitchen finks to make people over extend, but in legacy, they do it on their own cuz nobody runs wrath besides landstill..
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I top 2 split a 40 man tournament tonight with this deck. In my opinion, it's not dead at all. Sorry this isn't much to add or anything, i figured I'd give Countertop another +1.
Shhhh....it's dead. Remember, all of the metagame reports say its on the decline. No one plays this rubbish anymore. Let's not forget that if counter/top is assembled it still locks 90% of the decks in the format out of the game. I think versions running firespout still have what it takes in this metagame.
the firespout one is only relevant if there is a lot of zoo...Quote:
Originally Posted by jazzykat
its not as good vs goblins/merfolk as they deny you mana/counter your spells.
the deck is not dead by a long shot.
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And they play around it easily, albeit it slows them down a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by sauce
This. Goblins just has to cast another ringleader and they're back in it. It doesn't kill Tarmo or Thoctars in Zoo either. For these reasons I think the Progenitus kill is a better investment than the red splash (for Bant CounterTop). If your meta is heavy Merfolk, then I see an argument for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by o13g