Most likely M15 since they discussed it with current standard cards in testing.
I was going to argue in the SCD the merits of the card in this deck, but I figured I'd rather just start using them eventually with the surprise factor.
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Most likely M15 since they discussed it with current standard cards in testing.
I was going to argue in the SCD the merits of the card in this deck, but I figured I'd rather just start using them eventually with the surprise factor.
I've been brewing up a list recently, using ideas from this thread, so far I like the G splash with Loam the best. Loam just gives you so much power, especially with an Entomb to set things up. I'm trying 2x Crucible and 2x Loam right now but may change the numbers up as I go.
Has anyone ever tried Zoetic Cavern? While a little clunky, it plays nice with the deck, can be recast as Morph from the graveyard with Crucible in play, essentially filling that hard-to-get-rid-of creature spot that Nether Spirit occupies; the beauty of it is that if you cast it as Morph from the yard via Crucible, it obviously doesn't count as a land drop so you can bring in that additional pressure while you're also recycling your Mishra's/Wastelands, either way it's just an idea, I will try one out for awhile - I really like the play space that this deck occupies, it can be difficult for opponents to meaningfully interact with it.
I've played about ~50+ games in the last day or so, against a variety of decks, and I rarely feel like a complete underdog. The only problem against some decks (specifically Dredge, or decks that rely on very few lands, Belcher maybe although I haven't played against it yet, or perhaps some combo) is that there are too many dead cards in the main deck and not enough sideboard cards to properly replace them. Not much to be done about this I suppose, but when you're in a matchup where your Sinkholes, Smallpox, Abrupt Decay, Inquisitions, Wastelands, Crucibles, and possibly Hymns, don't really do much to them, it can make for a frustrating circumstance.
On a side note, has anyone tried any other color splashes? I was considering trying R, the deck has so many spells that Young Pyromancer might be interesting here, would have to go another direction with it but Pyro plays nicely with Pox and Retrace cards (I imagine Raven's Crime can get pretty abusive once you have a Pyro on board). Plus if you were still intending to stick with the land-based strategy, it could open up a few more utility lands (ie: Barbarian Ring) in some kind of BGR monstrosity.
I'm sure W also has some merit, for Lingering Souls, if nothing else.
This is incorrect. Zoetic Cavern does not share the intended synergy with Crucible of Worlds. If only...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mortox
A few observations from the last tourney:
Barren Moor cannot replace ordinary lands. Citp tapped is simply too bad for the decks tempo. It would be possible to run it, along with Gitaxian probe, as cantrips to thin the deck, but only if not including barren Moor I your land quota.
Braids, cabal minion is good, even for non control. The difficulty of getting that fourth mana in play suggest running dark rituals however.
An original take on our beloved Pox: Bw to be precise
http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=5500&d=231817
awesome list is awesome!
while the one with the green splash has been getting more of the limelight(pun intended :smile:), i would also go with white if i were to splash a color and take pox to a tourney..
thanks for sharing the link..
How are you guys dealing with Leyline of Sanctity?
MoS? Fine, it doesn't hit win conditions. RIP is worse since i run ghasts and stalkers.
What?
Rest in Peace. Another reason is that RIP is played in combo with Helm of Obedience; if one enters play the opponent suddenly have a clock on you. When he find the other combo piece you are dead.
Leyline is no big problem. If the opponent Sideboard in, say four of them, and you have eight discard spells in your deck, then he only is ahead by four cards.
It hits hymn to tourach, which is the best card in the deck. If they are playing show and tell it's pretty much GG. It also hits things like cursed scroll and edict effects (Liliana). So what do you do? Lose?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hardcore
Well, first they need it in starting hand. Second the odds are less than 50% that it is. Third, they are down one card in their hand wether or not they have it at starting hand or Mulligan. Not what I call ideal position. IIRC the deck is a three card combo.
Then if you yourself play chalice, trinisphere and/or Nethervoid you are mostly interested in getting those in play. T:1 ritual -> trinisphere is better than Hymn.
Lilianas discard ability don't target btw. If he is on the play and go Leyline -> land, and you respond with ritual liliana then it is probably a win for you. Provided you have better win cons than scroll...
Yes you pretty much lose if you have based too much of your gameplan on discard. You could set a Ratchet Bomb but that will take a few turns.Quote:
Originally Posted by clavio
Did Hollywood's decklist ever show up somewhere? As far as I understand, Jupiter games only publish top 8 decks and it appears that the deck in question did not make it. I'm just about to rebuild my Deck toward discard using Oppression, so it would be really interesting to take a peek at that list since I've always admired Keller's deckbuilding skills.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hollywood
i was also anxious to see his post about it..but for some reason it didn't come..
i reckon Hollywood is very busy developing other decks(he's always brewing new ideas) so i quit bothering him about it..
we may, however playtest it ourselves and come up with a more extensive report about it..
i'm sure others are also eager to hear how it does..
-I've always admired Menendian's deckbuilding skills.
i'm not sure i understood what you said there...did you mean hollywood is stephen menendian? im not sure, i've always thought hollywood's real name is Michael keller..but i could be wrong...
Indeed, I will post my list and a small report after playing next week.Quote:
Originally Posted by zenitramleirdag
And I did indeed goof on Hollywood's real name. I was going through Menendian's articles over at Eternal Central when making the above post so my mind was elsewhere... I'm sorry Keller! My first real Legacy deck was The Gate so your advice will indeed always have a special place in my heart :)
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Originally Posted by wuberg
- and i am looking forward to hearing about that, good luck..
- yeah, i like his rogue mentality when building decks..
- the Gate was also one of my first legacy decks(monoblack), i like the thought processes involved in his selection of cards and how it attacked the meta..
This is one of the reasons why you don't go pure discard (yay sinkholes). Ratchet Bombing a Leyline is not a problem and since I run 3 copies of Pox and 4 Smallpox and Liliana of the Veil, I can rip down their resources regardless. Leyline ultimately shuts down only my discard spells and Cursed Scroll. Getting punched by 4 Mishra's, a Nether Spirit and/or Haunted Platemail is plenty fast. CS still kills their creatures.Quote:
Originally Posted by clavio
Oh yeah, Tombstalker. He looks at a player with Leyline of Sanctity and outright murders them... If your Pox Deck is losing to a single sideboard card, I highly suggest you re-evaluate your deck. Pox was specifically designed to harm the opponent from too many different angles and kill the opponent using multiple methods.
I don't run it, but The Rack + Liliana of the Veil >> Leylines.
true, i like the look of confusion on my opponent's face during sideboarding time, i can imagine them thinking: "what the hell do i side-in against pox??"Quote:
Originally Posted by OmniStrata
i once had an opponent running a parfait deck side-in story circles against me, it just sat there while mishra's and scrolls start picking away at his life total little by little like tweezers collecting dwarf nose hairs..
I am thinking of testing Phyrexian Metamorph
Any thoughts?