It does. +1/+1 counters and -1/-1 counters delete each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poron
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It does. +1/+1 counters and -1/-1 counters delete each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poron
https://i.imgur.com/DjKf5HY.png
Chained to the Snow Land, anyone? :wink:
It does: Assuming the counters don't kill the creature. State based effects have +1/+1 counters and -1/-1 counters cancel eachother out, and removed, however this is done at the same time a creature is checked for being dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poron
So the creature is checked for being dead at the same time it's checking to cancel the counters. They happen simultaneously which means the creature technically had the counter on it when it dies.Quote:
704.5f If a creature has toughness 0 or less, it’s put into its owner’s graveyard. Regeneration can’t replace this event
704.5q If a permanent has both a +1/+1 counter and a -1/-1 counter on it, N +1/+1 and N -1/-1 counters are removed from it, where N is the smaller of the number of +1/+1 and -1/-1 counters on it.
But if it survives the first-round of checks, the counters will have cancelled.
Or as zombie players playing both Belcher and Geralf's messenger put it: Living the dream!
if it Undies does it lose the extra negative counter?
Of course, yes. It would simply return with a +1/+1 counter again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poron
He's much more fearsome than his silly little raiders.Quote:
Originally Posted by BenBleiweiss
Yup. When an object changes zones, counters don't move with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poron
So when it moved to the graveyard it lost all -1/-1 counters, and when it moves back to the battlefield it has no counters on it. Except for the one +1/+1 counter that the ability explicitly says it comes into play with.
This card is excellent, I'm loving it. As long as you have 4 mana, every excess land can be turned into gas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glass House
Wouldn't it be an excellent fit into Moon Stompy? Although if you run 3sphere, it's kinda terrible.
On the plus side, it might do some really stupid things with cost reducers + Loam.
Seems pretty good with Rabblemaster and Warboss to produce value. Bonus points for hiding behind a Bridge, amassing an army unti you use Fiery Confluence to blow everything up to nuke your opponent.Quote:
Originally Posted by BenBleiweiss
Finally, the captain of Mons's Goblin Raiders! Lots of flavor-win for this set alongside an exceptionally above average power curve. It's probably not playable, but Mogg Fanatic now does 2 damage again with Captain Mons.Quote:
Originally Posted by BenBleiweiss
Comboes off with Skirk Prospector/Phyrexian Altar and Mana Echoes. It's a "whoops I win" combo for Goblin Tribal EDH with cards I might want to play anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by BenBleiweiss
Also, another card to dump your {3}{R} into.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7r6OY8VUAAJNch.png
Maybe as a 1-of in Elves? With a T1 dork and two lands, you have at least 6 mana on T3. Not to mention the silliness that ensues if you have Symbiote/Quirion Ranger.
This open a door for a GW lands deck, with solemnity to lock with glacial chasm and combo with depth. Life from the loam enchantment to the graveyard are a benefit now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glass House
so true... already brewing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obferraz
the biggest question with loam was always, "am i gonna dredge an enchantment that i really need?"
getting to recast drop of honey or poryphry nodes is gonna be sweet...
somebody did an amazing job on horizons; this is a great set!
The card I was asking for in the last years. Really great job in this set.Quote:
Originally Posted by non-inflammable
now you can get back artifact, creatures, and enchantments with lands. Maybe if we could get back planeswalkers that would be super awesome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obferraz
Like does everyone feel that this set is incredible? I can't believe how much I'm loving everytime a spoiler hits, just so much wow!Quote:
Originally Posted by apple713
There's so much...positivity....this doesn't feel like the Source I know and sometimes love.
The set is diverse enough that there's something for everyone to like. I dislike most of the set, but there's plenty of gems to be excited for.
https://i.redd.it/l1n5jyx5j1131.png
Leaked, but pretty much verified real (the better quality image of someone physically holding up the card was taken down on Reddit).
https://i.redd.it/w0dfwfyew1131.png
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