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It's all metagame dependent. In the northeast there's a ton of blue based control and xantid swarm never sees the light of day. He is always Swords, Bolted, EE'd, Smothered, ect... I'd rather have them waste a counterspell on Abeyance so my Orim's Chant can resolve. I have no problem with Xantid Swarm, I love the little guy but right now he's bad.
so does the prescence of Teeg hose this deck G1 and usually 2 as well????
No, I have Burning Wish and the fact that Teeg costs 2 mana.
Teeg also cant stop the deck from making a ridiculous amount of mana, which will already win you the game right there.Quote:
Originally Posted by wastedlife
Mr T is alot worse than you make him sound. He's Meddling Mage chanting your win conditions and hes played in decks that plan on protecting him. Not Green White Jank! New Thresh lists playing maindeck T's and Counterbalance are pointless to play out. Chant effects or not.
I would love to play this deck right now but the new thresh cards and its rise in popularity make it quite risky.
this does not lose to Thresh at ALL.
Yes, i will agree, i would rather see someone playing burn across the table, but Thresh is not a un-winnable matchup.
You all talk about the amazing hate cards Thresh has, but if what you say it true, and Thresh runs all this hate, they can't WIN!
You are putting every kind of hate ever played in Thresh all into one deck. No thresh list runs, Force, CB, Teeg, Mage, Spell Snare, Wasteland, Stifle, Daze, AND win conditions!
yes, they run a lot, but come on guys, they don't run as much hate as you would like to think they do. And if they run that much hate, then fine, all i have to do it win round one, and watch them lose to goblins, or ELVES, and laugh, as they tried to hate combo, and lost to some janky (not saying evles is janky) deck.
I didnt say anything about Mage, Spellsnare, Wasteland, or Stifle..Quote:
Originally Posted by APriestOfGix
Just Counterbalance and Teeg are enough to screw you along with FoW and Daze. Chant does nothing about Teeg already in play or Counterbalance. Xantid Swarm does nothing against Teeg. Thanks to not being blue Teeg cant get hit by a REB. Go figure..
Yes, a Teeg on the board usually will be a loss. But I haven't seen any deck with him that is played much. If Treshhold starts running him, that's a problem but then they first need to win some tournaments with him. I don't believe ***** will play him cause of Fow. In janky decks a Teeg is not as scary if you get the time to wish for an answer.
also teeg ONLY stops TES. It stops NO other combo deck, and it sucks against ANY other deck.Quote:
Originally Posted by matelml
i MIGHT see him as a sideboard card, but his main deck life will be short lived.
What? Teeg stops Breakfast, Belcher, and Iggy from going off (he's like a catch-all against Storm combo), and is also a pain in the ass for Ichorid and certain builds of control and prison decks. I'd agree that he's a sideboard card, but a pretty good one.
Breakfast has answers...Quote:
Originally Posted by Illissius
Belcher ok, yes i forgot this one...
Iggy has LOTS of answers...
Ichorid, laughs and swings in with ICHORIDS!!! remember FKZ combo is a SECONDARY win condition, the deck dosn't need dread return...
You should stop now. "Breakfast has answers" and "Iggy has answers" are not very good counter-arguments. The fact is that Gaddock Teeg is an effective sideboard card against a variety of relevant decks.Quote:
Originally Posted by APriestOfGix
Yes and no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Illissius
gaddock teeg is against TES like a Meddling Mage set on Tendrils, Empty the Warrens, D.Returns and Ill-Gotten Gains at the same time. So he prohibits the winning Conditions. But with meddling Mage you also wouldn't name winning condition, you would name key-cards like Infernal Tutor and Burning Wish.
But he still can be handled by SB Pyroclasm. He will just hinder TES to win, but TES' flexibility still remains.
He can also do some useful things against Stax (Chalice, Smokestack, Geddon), against Landstill (Engineered Explosives, Wrath of God, maybe Crime//Punishment) and of course combo like TES, IGG and Belcher (winning conditions).
I also doubt he's good against Ichorid, you would rather like a Meddling Mage set on Cabal Therapy than Teeg prohibiting Breakthrough, Deep Analysis, Dread Return...Ok, that sounds like Teeg can do much more against Ichorid than Meddling Mage can, but they will usually play the EOT-Discard Mode and board the Dread Returns out. Blah, but that's all offtopic discussion.
If you are looking for a solution against teeg, replace the cave-In in the Sb with Pyroclasm. It's imo the only useful card that can be a appropirate substitute for Cave-In as a solution against weenies and Gaddock Teeg.
Breakfast runs tons of counters, and bounce...Quote:
Originally Posted by Volt
IGGy runs tons of tutors, and a few bounce...
Not much better i know, but i'm kinda tired...
Sure, those decks can all search for answers, meanwhile the other deck will just carry out their gameplan and win.
you mean grab their answers in 1 turn w/ counter back up?Quote:
Originally Posted by matelml
TES has to burn a chant to force through the wish, or risk the Force
Anyone thought of swapping the boarded Duress with a Thoughtseize?
I've been playing Bryant's most recently posted list successfully, but I've had troubles beating Belcher(too fast) and sometimes Landstill(Explosives for 0, blam on my tokens). Randomly I'll Chant midcombo for Belcher and win, but what is the best way to deal with both of those decks? Any other deck, I've pretty much stomped, from Ichorid Combo, to any aggro, to Tooth and Nail(yeah, some idiot runs this locally and it sucks!), and even burn. But I have problems dealing with decks with a lot of disruption, and decks with some speed to back it all up.
Yep, it has been thought of. A friend of mine recently made that comment after he lost a game where he Duressed his opponent and saw a Meddling Mage there.Quote:
Originally Posted by chokin
Has anyone considered running Perish as fetchable hate against Threshold? That card sure ruins their day; it's slow and countereable, and does not get rid of Meddling... but gets you rid of Gaddock and most of threshold threats.
Belcher shouldn't be a big problem. You have Chant which is really good in this Matchup and most of the time (something like 7/11 of the time) they will go off with Etw which allows you to win with Tendrils.With Etw they win on their 3rd or 4th turn so that gives you some time.