[Deck] The Rock

Rough draft of what I'd probably try:

4x Deathrite
4x Bobby
4x Tarmogoyf
4x Knight

4x Thoughtseize
4x Plow
4x Decay
3x Hymn
2x Liliana
1x Vindicate
1x Library
1x Loam

24x land incl. Maze?

SB: 2x Duress
SB: 2x Containment Priest
SB: 2x Surgical
SB: 2x Canonist
SB: 1x Golgari Charm
SB: 2x Thalia
SB: 1x Pernicious Deed
SB: 1x Darkblast
SB: 1x Stony Silence
SB: 1x Elspeth, Knight-Errant


I usually play either Hymn or a small GSZ package. Against Eldrazi specifically Hymn is probably better, but G. Teeg might not be terrible for shutting off their Chalices. I'm not super familiar with the various Eldrazi lists, but I imagine some also play other spells G. Teeg hits.

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Originally Posted by Tokugawa

Is Sinkhole really a playable card, in today's Legacy?

Even pox decks have begun to cut it...

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I'll admit it's been a loooong time since I've run Sinkhole. But it did seem like it could fit in the list I was responding too.

Vindicate isn't run all that much these days either, and when it is, it is 1 of. The list has 4 Vindicate, and specifically mentions putting Eldrazi squarely in the sights of a land destruction plan. If we're gonna do that, Sinkhole seems to support that plan.

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Originally Posted by T-101

I'll admit it's been a loooong time since I've run Sinkhole. But it did seem like it could fit in the list I was responding too.

Vindicate isn't run all that much these days either, and when it is, it is 1 of. The list has 4 Vindicate, and specifically mentions putting Eldrazi squarely in the sights of a land destruction plan. If we're gonna do that, Sinkhole seems to support that plan.

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Vindicate is here for primarily LD plan, but not necessarily. It's removal for any big permanent they have, and they have a lot of them ;) . In aspect of eldrazi, 4x Vindicate list has it's own advantages over any lightning bolt/abrupt decay deck, because of it's uncondition universality.

Anyone else down on Liliana? I've finally come to start selling my other 3 copies as she just doesn't seem to be pulling her weight; and this is coming from someone who used her in the Cruise and DTT eras.

Mentor, Pyro, Lands, Miracles, Storm; she just feels perpetually mediocre. Even with PFire in my deck I haven't gotten a Lily-lock that mattered in a long time. I don't even think I've been killing creatures that matter. I get that she's a jack of all trades, but so is GSZ; but it's better at it I think. It's taken a few years of legacy; but I really have just found her to be depressingly "meh" compared to other cards in the last year. I've kept her as a hedge against all kinds of things, but it's really gotten to the point where she just doesn't seem to actually do anything.

I'll be experimenting with the previous list but:
-3 Oath, -3 Lily
+2 Pulse
+3 Aven Mindcensor
+1 Decay

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Originally Posted by tescrin

Anyone else down on Liliana? I've finally come to start selling my other 3 copies as she just doesn't seem to be pulling her weight; and this is coming from someone who used her in the Cruise and DTT eras.

Mentor, Pyro, Lands, Miracles, Storm; she just feels perpetually mediocre. Even with PFire in my deck I haven't gotten a Lily-lock that mattered in a long time. I don't even think I've been killing creatures that matter. I get that she's a jack of all trades, but so is GSZ; but it's better at it I think. It's taken a few years of legacy; but I really have just found her to be depressingly "meh" compared to other cards in the last year. I've kept her as a hedge against all kinds of things, but it's really gotten to the point where she just doesn't seem to actually do anything.

I'll be experimenting with the previous list but:
-3 Oath, -3 Lily
+2 Pulse
+3 Aven Mindcensor
+1 Decay

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I have not missed them in my version, for all the reasons you mentioned. Thalia and Teeg main are a much better defense against combo, and tokens.meta makes expensive and slow Edicts pretty bad. She also just took another price jump up to ~$110 recently. I'm thinking between Eternal Masters, Conspiracy 2, and a new FTV she's bound to see a reprint pretty soon.

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Originally Posted by Richard Cheese

I have not missed them in my version, for all the reasons you mentioned. Thalia and Teeg main are a much better defense against combo, and tokens.meta makes expensive and slow Edicts pretty bad. She also just took another price jump up to ~$110 recently. I'm thinking between Eternal Masters, Conspiracy 2, and a new FTV she's bound to see a reprint pretty soon.

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The reprint that could easily happen when they spoil Shadows or the others are what pushed me to finally have to decide. I locked an easy $150 profit or while forcing myself to brew without the (mediocre) crutch that she's been.

After toying with the list it opens up something pretty neat too: Two Suppression Field in the side.
With only DRS and Fetches in my deck to get hit by it, I can use it to sit on Miracles, Lands, and D&T. This is exciting as I feel my lands MU could really use some assistance; but I've only gotten a single test match (which as I reported, went badly.) Turning Mazes, Wastes, Ports, and Stages into garbage seems good. Anything that messes with Miracles I find entertaining, so that's fine too :p. Even with CB lock, having to spend 3 to lock my spell out could allow me to sneak in other spells or cause them to waste yet more mana on their turn fixing their draw again.

Since she got replaced by GB removal, I suspect that (while I've been beating miracles anyway) having 8 ways to kill counterbalance or equips will be handy.


It's a brave new world I tell ya.

I was trying to decide between Rock and Nic Fit strategies as a new legacy player. I'm mostly a modern player (Abzan Company/Abzan Midrange) - so the colour combination was able to transition out of. I figured that I wouldn't be buying the BUG lands anytime soon... So, I was looking at my favourite colours and accepting the weakness to combo. Here's what I'll be running with tonight and probably losing every match with.

22 Lands
2 Bayou
1 Forest
1 Karakas
1 Plains
1 Savannah
2 Scrubland
2 Swamp
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Wasteland
4 Windswept Heath

Spells:
3 Abrupt Decay
1 Council's Judgment
2 Hymn to Tourach
3 Lingering Souls
3 Swords to Plowshares
1 Sylvan Library
3 Thoughtseize
1 Zealous Persecution

Creatures:
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Tarmogoyf
3 Siege Rhino
4 Stoneforge Mystic

Walker:
3 Liliana of the Veil

Equip:
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Batterskull
1 Umezawa's Jitte

Sideboard:
2 Choke
2 Containment Priest
2 Duress
2 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Painful Truths
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
1 Zealous Persecution

My other thought (which I wouldn't be able to do tonight was adding bob back into the deck. So -1 Rhino, 1 Library, -1 Persecution, +3 Bob).
Any advice for a first time legacy player :)

http://mythicspoiler.com/soi/cards/a...dunmaking.html

Sweet new card.

Anguished Unmaking

1WB

Instant

Exile target non-land permanent, you lose 3 life.

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Originally Posted by ironclad8690

http://mythicspoiler.com/soi/cards/a...dunmaking.html

Sweet new card.

Anguished Unmaking

1WB

Instant

Exile target non-land permanent, you lose 3 life.

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Sweet old card:

Vindicate

Anyone looking at the new delirium cards?

The 3cc discard spell could go a long way in wrecking face as well as the 1cc land search/creature search card.

Both of which require delirium if that can become a consistent hoop to jump through.

About my golf comment on the last page: I have been on Lilliana/lingering souls/stoneforge mystic and cabal therapy for quite some time and it is much more resilient and grindy than the tarmogoyf, and I have always been a huge fan of the big green guy. I cut him a while ago and never looked back.

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Originally Posted by lavafrogg

Anyone looking at the new delirium cards?

The 3cc discard spell could go a long way in wrecking face as well as the 1cc land search/creature search card.

Both of which require delirium if that can become a consistent hoop to jump through.

About my golf comment on the last page: I have been on Lilliana/lingering souls/stoneforge mystic and cabal therapy for quite some time and it is much more resilient and grindy than the tarmogoyf, and I have always been a huge fan of the big green guy. I cut him a while ago and never looked back.

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2B Lobotomy is a much more stronger Lobotomy, but it is still a Lobotomy. Can't see any space of it in 75 of any decks. Especially against combo decks, player would have difficulty for sending instant and creature cards to GY, before crucial turn3.

A Rock deck got 2nd in SCG classic Indianapolis.

And SCG did not name the deck correctly, again(do I really need to say "again"?).

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Originally Posted by Tokugawa

A Rock deck got 2nd in SCG classic Indianapolis.

And SCG did not name the deck correctly, again(do I really need to say "again"?).

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Named Abzan Maverick, and it doesn't have Green Sun's Zenith, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Mother of Runes, Qasali Pridemage, Scavenging Ooze, or Gaddock Teeg, and has Tarmogoyf, Liliana of the Veil, and Lingering Souls. Oof.

If you guys could throw a list up, that'd be neat. I wouldn't be surprised if it starts placing a little better since Eldrazi should be a decent MU and should shove some of the blue decks around. The worst MU (IMO) is Storm and similar decks that aren't a fan of getting Chaliced under a massive clock; which is probably what helped this guy along a bit.

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Originally Posted by tescrin

If you guys could throw a list up, that'd be neat. I wouldn't be surprised if it starts placing a little better since Eldrazi should be a decent MU and should shove some of the blue decks around. The worst MU (IMO) is Storm and similar decks that aren't a fan of getting Chaliced under a massive clock; which is probably what helped this guy along a bit.

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http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...p?DeckID=99984

It's basically the SFM+Goyf+Souls build I've been pushing (as have others). It's got game. Good job, whoever you are.

-Matt

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Originally Posted by sdematt

It's basically the SFM+Goyf+Souls build I've been pushing (as have others). It's got game. Good job, whoever you are.

-Matt

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Have you been pushing Rhino builds?:tongue::tongue::tongue:

A junk Rock deck (they called it Abzan Maverick but I don't see any GSZ's) placed second at Indy yesterday, Sunday March 20th:

Link to T8/16 decks

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Originally Posted by Tokugawa

Have you been pushing Rhino builds?:tongue::tongue::tongue:

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I don't see a Rhino in the list. I see a knight, but no Rhino.

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Originally Posted by Secretly.A.Bee

I don't see a Rhino in the list. I see a knight, but no Rhino.

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I push Rhino pretty hard in the other threads ;)