Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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I really like lost legacy. Just shelled out on foil slaughter games too.
What's everyones opinion here on non g/x hatebears?
Ethersworn Canonist is a common card in Abzan SBs, it's pretty good. You have Gaddock Teeg to make GSZ count as hatebears too, so it's fine to run non-green hatebears to up the count. Manacost is always an issue though. The 3 mana for that Kambal card might already be too much.
Sanctum Prelate might also be a very worthwile hatebear (even though it costs 3). @2 it both stops Infernal Tutor and Abrupt Decay, leaving your Storm opponent only with Chain of Vapor as answer (which usually is a 2/3 off).
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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Jain_Mor
It's interesting seeing debates we've had a while ago resurface again with newer posters. Not their fault, search function in this place is awful. Legacy is in this really weird place at the moment because the Conspiracy cards won't be available online until November, so we're relying on the much slower IRl metagame to tell us about the new cards... It's going to be a slow few months.
In the meantime, some Nic Fit alter porn for your pleasure (but mostly mine)
EDIT, link didn't show all the cards, here is true link -.-
http://imgur.com/a/wwGVl
My list to go with it is always in slight flux, but here's a version for people interested in SFM fit:
61
21
4 Verdant
4 Windswept
2 Bayou
2 Savannah
1 Scrubland
2 Forest
2 Swamp
2 Plains
2 Phyrexian Tower
4 Gsun
1 Dryad Abor
4 Veteran Explorers
1 DRS
1 Eternal Witness
1 Tracker / EWit / Troll Ascetic
1 Thrun
1 Meren
1 Sigarda
1 Tusk
4 SFM
1 Jitte
1 SoFaI
1 BSK
2 Top
4 Cabal therapy
2 Thoughtseize
3 StP
3 Decay
3 Deed
Sometimes cut 1 SFM and a gsun target (tracker/Thrun) for two combat walkers.
3 Surgical Ext
2 Thoughtsieze
2 Needle
2 Spirit of the Labia
1 Teeg
1 Rec Sage
2 Engineered Plague
2 Tsunami/Card advantage for fair blue decks
For those not in the know, I'm not really jamming much games at the moment, but this list has gone through extensive testing up until mid August, have quite a bit of data from playing online religously.
You must get requests for oracle text all of the time!
Even with the text on the card I can't think of a game of paper that I've played where my opponent hasn't picked up Meren and read it. They usually get it wrong the first time and read it again when I return a creature to my hand at end step.
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Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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AtticusBlaqk
Even with the text on the card I can't think of a game of paper that I've played where my opponent hasn't picked up Meren and read it. They usually get it wrong the first time and read it again when I return a creature to my hand at end step.
Same here! The first EoT is a sure "Oh, dammit".
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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AtticusBlaqk
Even with the text on the card I can't think of a game of paper that I've played where my opponent hasn't picked up Meren and read it. They usually get it wrong the first time and read it again when I return a creature to my hand at end step.
I'm nice and always explain that to my opponent, everyone gets it wrong... this thread got it wrong when she was spoiled.
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
@ Kevin, i was wondering how the SneakyFit is currently in progress.
Have you considered running Wurmcoil Engine and/or Worldspine Wurm?
Also Massacre Wurm could be an insta-win against stuff like Elves or Goblins.
Also 4 copies of STE? Seems a lot. Yavimaya Elder or Wood Elves might be nice to aswell.
I tested some games and added 3x PFire and 3x Grove, mainly because i was missing some cards in paper (1 bayou, 1 taiga, 3 STE, 2 TerrorSnake (forgot its name)). It did give me something to do while setting up a combo and also being able to keep DRS of the board for Recurring Nightmare.
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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Bobmans
Also 4 copies of STE? Seems a lot.
I noticed that also. K confirmed it should be 2, for a total of 61.
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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AtticusBlaqk
You must get requests for oracle text all of the time!
Even with the text on the card I can't think of a game of paper that I've played where my opponent hasn't picked up Meren and read it. They usually get it wrong the first time and read it again when I return a creature to my hand at end step.
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Haha, I know what you mean. I havnt played in a tournament with the card yet but if it wasn't altered it would be in Japanese anyway. At least this way they can read the name :P
And a lady from the States did them, she charges $15 an alter.
https://www.facebook.com/CACalters/
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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Jain_Mor
Haha, I know what you mean. I havnt played in a tournament with the card yet but if it wasn't altered it would be in Japanese anyway. At least this way they can read the name [emoji14]
And a lady from the States did them, she charges $15 an alter.
https://www.facebook.com/CACalters/
I got everything in Japanese. Everybody always starts picking up my cards midgame and reads them, look at me and say; "snap". I have my pokerface on..
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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Originally Posted by
Bobmans
@ Kevin, i was wondering how the SneakyFit is currently in progress.
Have you considered running Wurmcoil Engine and/or Worldspine Wurm?
Also Massacre Wurm could be an insta-win against stuff like Elves or Goblins.
Also 4 copies of STE? Seems a lot. Yavimaya Elder or Wood Elves might be nice to aswell.
I tested some games and added 3x PFire and 3x Grove, mainly because i was missing some cards in paper (1 bayou, 1 taiga, 3 STE, 2 TerrorSnake (forgot its name)). It did give me something to do while setting up a combo and also being able to keep DRS of the board for Recurring Nightmare.
Bobmans, I'm down to chat about it via PM. I personally think you need to go "big" like Sneak/Show.
The list I sent to Kevin cuts a lot of the midrange 3,4,5 drops out of the deck in favor of a Sneak Attack package. It needs tweaking, but there's certainly merits to the deck design. Kev's initial idea is still better: play Nic Fit and flex into Sneak Attack if allowed.
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
I'm super curious about the Sneak Attack list too. I only figured out there's probably a fierce empath or more and an Emrakul. Other than that I have no idea.. If anyone would message a few hints that'd be nice or I'll just have to wait to see it splashed [not sure why I chose that word - published].
On another topic, Leovold seems like a promising maindeck inclusion next to/over Gaddock in gwb builds. Will require a tropical and then adding the possibility of a few sb flusterstorms or invasive surgery.
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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pettdan
On another topic, Leovold seems like a promising maindeck inclusion next to/over Gaddock in gwb builds. Will require a tropical and then adding the possibility of a few sb flusterstorms or invasive surgery.
On the topic of blue, i recently sold of everything blue related. But before i did i was able to give some spins to a BUG list centered around Lands.
For this list i wanted to work with Intuition + Life from the Loam interaction. Nicfit offered the option to abuse Gitrog, Titania and PrimeTime next to the Two Towers. So i coughed up a list and found that it was out of control. It was hilarious and nearly threw a monkey wrench into my plans of selling of.
Anyway, it does not support white or Teeg, but i can definitely see Leo in here. Also i am not planning on working on it anymore, here is the cookie dough:
4 Veteran Explorer
1 Sylvan Safekeeper
3 Baleful Strix
1 Eternal Witness
1 Tireless Tracker
1 Courser of Kruphix
1 Meren of Clan Nel Toth
1 The Gitrog Monster
1 Titania, Protector of Argoth
1 Primeval Titan
2 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Cabal Therapy
3 Pernicious Deed
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Maelstrom Pulse
2 Intuition
1 Life from the Loam
1 Jace, the Mindsculptor
2 Brainstorm
4 Verdant Catacombs
2 Polluted Delta
1 Misty Rainforest
2 Underground Sea
1 Tropical Island
2 Bayou
3 Forest
2 Swamp
2 Island
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Wasteland
1 Thespian's Stage
1 Dark Depths
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Phyrexian Tower
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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pettdan
I'm super curious about the Sneak Attack list too. I only figured out there's probably a fierce empath or more and an Emrakul. Other than that I have no idea.. If anyone would message a few hints that'd be nice or I'll just have to wait to see it splashed [not sure why I chose that word - published].
On another topic, Leovold seems like a promising maindeck inclusion next to/over Gaddock in gwb builds. Will require a tropical and then adding the possibility of a few sb flusterstorms or invasive surgery.
Leopold is good, the biggest issue is one of space. We already have several good draw engines at 3. Tireless Tracker being one, but blue opens up cards like Edric as well.
Leopold is going to see play somewhere for sure (I, a non EDH player even wants to commander him) but I'm not sure if it will be this deck.
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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Brael
Leopold is good, the biggest issue is one of space. We already have several good draw engines at 3. Tireless Tracker being one, but blue opens up cards like Edric as well.
Leopold is going to see play somewhere for sure (I, a non EDH player even wants to commander him) but I'm not sure if it will be this deck.
Yes, space is an issue here. I'm thinking he may be an upgrade over Gaddock, and not all lists play him in the main so it's very much up for discussion and testing. A lot of this is pretty self explanatory but may still be good to put words to.
When you play Gaddock in the maindeck you're basically hoping to be able to get off an early Therapy vs combo decks to slow them down and to allow you to GSZ for Gaddock to shut them down in G1. There's also the stopping of key cards such as Natural Order, Sneak Attack and centerpieces for odd decks such as Enchantress and Tezzeret. But in most matchups he's more of a liability since he shuts off our own GSZ's.
Leovold also offers the possibility of shutting down combo decks after initial discard, but by means of turning off cantripping (for the opponent only). So he doesn't hurt the Nic Fit player at all. He doesn't shut off Natural Order, which is bad, but instead shuts off Glimpse of Nature and for the other combo decks he shuts off only the cantripping aspect. Perhaps not as crucial as stopping the key cards. However, in the other matchups where Gaddock sucks, Leovold both shuts off their cantrips which a large part of the meta will suffer from and he forces them into removing him with card disadvantage if they want to profitably interact with you or your permanents for the rest of the game. These are two huge upsides compared to Gaddock. So that's why I'm thinking he may possibly be a splash-worthy maindeckable anti-combo GSZ-able hate bear. And he works well with additional discard.
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
Leovold is also pretty good against mana denial matchups since he draws you a card whenever you get Ported or Wastelanded.
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
Hi,
I just played this list at BoM Paris this Saturday and here's my report :
// Deck file for Magic Workstation (http://www.magicworkstation.com)
// NAME : Nic fit evolution - Build in progress ...
// CREATOR : grokh (magic-ville.com)
// FORMAT : Legacy
1 [FUT] Horizon Canopy
1 [US] Phyrexian Tower
1 [R] Savannah
2 [R] Bayou
2 [UNH] Plains
2 [R] Scrubland
2 [UNH] Swamp
3 [UNH] Forest
4 [ZEN] Verdant Catacombs
4 [] Windswept Heath
1 [BNG] Courser of Kruphix
1 [M14] Scavenging Ooze
1 [AVR] Sigarda, Host of Herons
2 [] Eternal Witness
3 [] Wall of Blossoms
4 [] Siege Rhino
4 [CMD] Veteran Explorer
3 [CHK] Sensei's Divining Top
1 [] Assault Formation
1 [EX] Recurring Nightmare
2 [] Pernicious Deed
3 [RTR] Abrupt Decay
3 [CMD] Path to Exile
1 [PS] Diabolic Intent
1 [ARB] Maelstrom Pulse
4 [JU] Cabal Therapy
4 [MBS] Green Sun's Zenith
SB: 2 [THS] Thoughtseize
SB: 1 [] Reclamation Sage
SB: 1 [] Doomwake Giant
SB: 1 [LRW] Gaddock Teeg
SB: 2 [NPH] Surgical Extraction
SB: 1 [BNG] Spirit of the Labyrinth
SB: 1 [JOU] Eidolon of Rhetoric
SB: 1 [SOM] Painful Quandary
SB: 1 [] Golgari Charm
SB: 1 [RTR] Pithing Needle
SB: 1 [SHM] Wheel of Sun and Moon
SB: 2 [FE] Hymn to Tourach
Round 1 - Aluren : Lose 0-2
G1 : I couldn't avoid him to combo off then kill me
G2 : I disrupted him with Golgari charm which has cleaned the board, then Gaddock Teeg for avoiding Aluren, but he killed me with aggro and I died 2 turns after Gaddock cos i drew GSZ then GSZ ... :(
Round 2 -UR Prowess : Lose 0-2
G1 : He killed me very fast, by attacking a lot
G2 : He killed me very fast too, i tried some PtE but he had FoW and Daze, he had 3 Monastery swiftspear on board
Round 3 - Esperblade : Lose 0-1-1
G1 : I tempo the game until he cast a True name nemesis, then equip with Jitte, i concede
G2 : We had no time to finish the G2 cos the G1 lasted too long
Round 4 - Elfball splash U : Lose 1-2
G1 : He wins with aggro plan dumping Coiling oracles, Quiron rangers and Wirewood symbiotes
G2 : I win with Sigarda racing him
G3 : I was racing him with Sigarda and a Siege rhino, he was at 3 life and GSZ into Craterhoof behemoth then insta killed me
Round 5 - Eldrazi : Win 2-0
G1 : i tempo the board, then races him with Sigarda
G2 : tempo the board and at a moment he attacks me with 2 Reality smashers, i had 1 Sigarda + 1 Rhino + 1 Assault formation on board. I block then boost +0/+1 all my creatures, they kill the 2 smashers. Next turn swing for 14 by double boosting +0/+1 with Assault formation
He'll explain me after the game he had not read correctly what Assault formation does
Round 6 - Lands : Win 1-0
G1 : i race him with Sigarda and avoid a Marit lage by removing it with PtE
G2 : i surgical Life from the loam, then PtE the Marit lage, then Witness into Surgical on Dark dephts, he'll try to deak with me with Punishing fire, but i had Sigarda and we had no time to finish
Round 7 - Eldrazi : Win 2-0
G1 : he mulls to 5, i cabal his hand then go with a Sigarda
G2 : we both mull to 6, he opens with Cloudpost, then 2 Expedition map, i pulse the maps, he concedes
Round 8 - Miracles : Lose 0-2
G1 : He finishes me with Jace, the mindsculptor
G2 : I horribly missplay by casting a GSZ at X=1 but i had sideboarded out the 4 Veteran explorer ... then he kills me with Entreat the angels
Round 9 - Death & Taxes : Win 2-0
G1 : i race him with Sigarda
G2 : i put my Sigarda, he puts Flickerwisp exiling his own Karakas. Decay the flickerwisp end of his turn. I do Witness on Pernicious deed on my turn. He puts Fiend hunter exiling Witness, he didn't knew i had 2 Decays. End of his turn use the 2nd decay on Fiend hunter, Witness comes back and gives me back Decay. He concedes
I finish at 4-5
I think i'm really gonna try to include Leovold in my main cos Gaddock Teeg, draw 2 GSZ is just a nightmare ...
I don't want to go BUG so what about the following changes ?
-1 Veteran explorer +1 DRS (ensure the :u: if draw Leovold)
-1 Eternal witness +1 Leovold
Thanks for reading !
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
I think that if you're splashing a 4th color (this applies for Leovald or Slaughter Games) you want 4 DRS.
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
Rounds 1, 2 and 4: "I die b/c I'm too slow".
That's what happens when you only play Veteran Explorer as ramp cards. People tend to include Dryad Arbor and/or DRS for a reason. Funny thing is, DRS would have been wonderful in rounds 2 and 4 (and probably 3 too, by the way). Block stuff, eat creatures to gain life. Fuck your clock.
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
I ran 4c Nic Fit to reasonable success recently.
9 Fetches
6 duals (1 of each G or B, 2 Bayous)
6 basics (2 Forest, 2 Island, 1 Plains, 1 Swamp)
1 Phyrexian Tower
4 Veteran Explorer
2 Deathrite Shaman
3 Baleful Strix
2 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Eternal Witness
1 Tireless Tracker
1 Meren of Clan Nel Toth
1 Siege Rhino
1 Thragtusk
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Cabal Therapy
3 Brainstorm
3 Path to Exile
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Pernicious Deed
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Batterskull
Standard GB sideboard cards
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Glen Elendra Archmage
If I was running it post-CN2, I would probably drop Meren, since I don't have the slots to really synergise with her properly with Nightmare or Arbor or whatever. Leovold would be fine there.
The deck also really wants Thrun in the sideboard, since you want a threat that just refuses to die against Miracles - you can 2-for-1 them repeatedly but have trouble establishing an actual clock. Maybe swap the Phyrexian Tower for a Lumbering Falls or something.
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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Navsi
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The deck also really wants Thrun in the sideboard, since you want a threat that just refuses to die against Miracles - ....
Remember, ignorant bumpkin here. What does Thrun do against Terminus?
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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jmlima
Remember, ignorant bumpkin here. What does Thrun do against Terminus?
Nothing but it's the only answered they have to Thrun. That and Judgement.
All other removel is useless aganist him.
