It looks like Goblins is on the verge of a Top-8 (Currently 7th after R7)! If I recall from earlier, James Miller is playing Rw Goblins. Best of luck to him!
http://8e8460c4912582c4e519-11fcbfd8...642000000.html
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It looks like Goblins is on the verge of a Top-8 (Currently 7th after R7)! If I recall from earlier, James Miller is playing Rw Goblins. Best of luck to him!
http://8e8460c4912582c4e519-11fcbfd8...642000000.html
Yea, they had him on a Replay but they cut it off directly before game 3. :/Quote:
Originally Posted by jrw1985
Relic against TNN Blade? Hrmf.
And that's game, folks.Quote:
Originally Posted by jrw1985
Yeah that was a bit weird when i saw that. Grim Lavamancer is the only thing I can think of. But that's a bit weak, especially seeing as this Goblin player has Tarfire and Goblin Incinerator. Why try and neuter Lavamancer when you can just kill it?Quote:
Originally Posted by jrw1985
Maybe he also thought about potentially Snapcaster Mage?
They know each other's list. The 2-of Grim Lavamancer is the only relevant card in Majors' list. I sincerely think the Relic was sideboarded in by mistake since Miller did seem surprised when he drew it. Based on Miller's deck list, I would have probably sideboard out a Plateu and a Gempalm Incinerator for two Krosan Grips.
His list: http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...p?DeckID=64114
It looks like his list has TSH as the replacement for MWM. It is an interesting idea since that should make TNN much less potent. Now sure about 3 of them though.
Tournament last day went horrible
4 times against the SFM package
only 1 tin street hooligan in the side board.
Lost al 4 without a chance
played against reanimor that was brilliant.
Lost game one really fast
Game 2 i took out the griselbrand en emrakul with earwig squad that was game
Game 3 i had a leyline of the void in my opening hand so that was game:)
didnt get my confusion in the ranks against omnisience so died twice really fast
So yes i would definitley go 3 mainboard tin street hooligans!! SFM decks are nothing without equipments
TNN without equipments is not scarey at all!!
Looks like pretty good results for Goblins recently between Jim Davis and James Miller. More of a classic Rgw build, notably missing both Krenko and Goblin Chieftan.
Well, if you decide to play 3 mainboard hooligans and then face a lot of blade decks i think you are almost guaranteed to have a good result unless you have very bad draws.
Personally i wouldn't play more than two main board , because if you don't face artifacts a 2 mana 2/1 is a crappy card, and because with all the -1-1 effects around i would like to have more resilient creatures. The problem is that all our two drops besides piledriver have toughness 1 (instigator, war marshal, thalia)... so unfortunately some of our creatures will always die to golgari charm and similar cards (if chieftain isn't in play).
I was disappointed to see Max Tietze to switch to Stoneblade at a recent SCG event instead of his Gobbos, I hope he switches back!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bardu
Well the thing is its not only the blade artifacts that are irritating there are also things like:Quote:
Originally Posted by LeoCop 90
- chalice
- pithing needle (krenko, siege gang commander
- mox diamond wich is a good thing to kill because of our mana denial we dont want them to get arround that
- ensnarring bridge and probably more that i can;t think of right now
But maby i will go for 2 of them main and 1 in sideboard.
Any of u guys have good TOURNAMENT results with chrome mox.
and what do u guys prefer:
confusion in the ranks or ashen rider?
Also i would like to hear some oppinions over thalia main or sideboard.
I also think that at least 1 chieftain is necessary for al those -1 -1 effects also the combination of SGC and chieftain is pretty awesome
i replaced the MWM with the Tin Street Hooligan. Because Jitte en Batterskull are our biggest problems.
Also thopter foundry is a problem because with sword of the meek they out agro our deck.
Than my last question whats the right number for tarefire next to 4 gempalm incinerator?
About his list. Seriosly, goblins is still in a good shape.. his list is really awkward.. 3 TSH and 4 Warchief? It really dont seen right. I can be wrong, but a list with more chieftains would be better in this case.Quote:
Originally Posted by L10
Another thing: If you aim to beat BLADE.decks why play gempalm over tarfire? Gempalm can be answered with a StP or even is too late, while tarfire can deal with delver and SFM the turn they come to the battlefield!
I like 2 MD TSH, it seens good, at least at my field now, but you have to change a lot in the list to do that. Goblins isnt that simple list, straight minded, that you can simply take off 4 copies of something that cost 2 and replace with another goblin that costs 2.. It is a tribal deck, every goblin interact with another one. I like Tuk Tuk over TSH, because he works from vial, warchief and lackey/WInstigator (that is at least 9 to 14 cards of our deck), but TSH is fast, I get it. If you want to play with him I would try to go more aggro, chieftains and perhaps Boartusk Liege, so, even if they dont play a relevant artifact, you got a 3/2 haste for 1R, what is not great in legacy, but not that bad.
@Dissy, I agree on that, 2 is very nice, but 3 seen a bit too much (perhaps when you face 3 blades from 4 decks, 3TSH would be reasonable).
Cya
I get the idea that TSH is not only vs BLADE.dec (however, I think that their popularity is the main reason to run 3 TSHs in his list) but also vs. other random artifacts, but Chalice of the Void is definitely NOT among them. Chalice is hardly a problematic card for Goblins, as it is usually set 1 counter and we usually have only Vial, Lackey and Tarfire with cmc1. Chalice won't harm you Lackey, as we have Cavern of Souls to work around that. CHalic eis only effective against Vial if they set it before you resolve it. Tarfire is hardly an issue either, because the decks packing Chalice of the Void (aka. Stompy-decks) usually have large creatures which are out of "Shock"-range anyways. So, these are just some of the arguments why I play Chalice in my SB - it doesnt affect Goblins in the slightest.Quote:
Originally Posted by dissy
But again: I understand your point.
just a few:Quote:
Originally Posted by dissy
4-1
4-1
3-1
6-2-1
4-1
4-1
4-3
1-4
As you can see I also included 2 tournaments where it didn't go so well - just to show you that I don't want to show off, or exaggerate or something like this.
I prefer Confusion in the Ranks, but there is nothing wrong with Ashen Raider. You will hardly notice any difference when plaiyng with the one or the other. The short story is that Ashen Raider is better against early S&T (when you don't have any creatures in play) while Confusion is stronger when you have a few creatures on the battlefield.Quote:
Originally Posted by dissy
Also i would like to hear some oppinions over thalia main or sideboard.
Agree. As you will notice in the tournament reports above me and Scatman use multiple Chieftains in our lists - partly cutting Warchiefs in favor of Chieftains.Quote:
Originally Posted by dissy
I personally don't like Gempalm right now, so I wouldn't play the whole playset. 1 or 2 copies seems correct to me - but I may be biased since I don't play MWMs at the moment. Tarfire is a good meta-choice, so you could run any number between 2 and 4 copies.Quote:
Originally Posted by dissy
I just watched the coverage video of james miller quarterfinals against uwr delver... the match shows, like others i saw before, the shit that true name nemesis is. Without nemesis james would have never lost the last game, and in the previous one he was in an absolutely commanding board position until nemesis came down and almost turned around the game state.
It's just stupid that a 3 mana progenitus can exist, and playing midrange creature decks feels a bit stupid when the opponent can just slam that card down and invalidate your entire strategy. I'm not saying it is unbeatable, but think for example about our matchup against delver decks.
Before nemesis, we tipycally just had to survive in the first turns (not being killed by delvers, goyfs, batterskulls or whatever) and then overwhelm them with card advantage. When matron/ringleader started going, we pretty much couldn't lose. Now not only we have to survive the first turns, but we have to make sure to kill them as soon as possible because all our creatures on board and all our removals can now be bypassed by a stupid merfolk. it just feels stupid to have gempalm incinerators and tarfires in hand, ton of creatures on board and can't be able to do anything to a 3 mana 3/1.
Anyway, i just can't wait to beat nemesis decks because i really hate that card and for sure i won't give up on goblins.
As a stoneblade player myself, I'm wondering why a black splash with Thoughtseize and Warren Weirding md isn't played that much(if at all). It fixes all the problems this deck has. Preemptively taking a sfm/TNN or Weirding that TNN away is often game changing. Sideboard gives cabal therapy/earwig squad.. or possibly even little 3c splash for Thalia side against combo. Greetz
Haven't seen the coverage before, but don't think this is actually fair. Imo James some dubioussideboarding in this game.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeoCop 90
Thalia is not nearly as good against UWR as against Canadian. They shouldn't be brought in there. The mana requirement it brings the deck also hurts us against a deck with Wasteland. Bringing the K.Grip also sounds bad, since he plays 3 TSH. He dilluted his deck a lot, which hurt him G2 making his Ringleaders way worse. And Relic of Progenitus? Really?
Another thing: Not having Tuktuk nor Stingscourger really hurt him, since he couldn't Vial in an artifact hate, or a Germ remover, that would be awesome G3, and would have probably won him the game. 2-1 TSH-Tuktuk does sounds a better split.
All that said, Miller did played quite tight. I liked it. Only 1 or 2 different moves would me made by me, and of course, the sideboarding and deck construction.
Hope he plays more on camera and that he does well in the other tournaments he plays.
Edit: GobboLord does play Weirdings MD, and Therapy SB. Weirdings is indeed a very good weapon against TNN, but imo, it is not needed. I've been really happy just overwhelming it.
http://www.twitch.tv/scglive/b/507673922
1st Goblins match starts at 4:50
Mr Miller loses G3 off of that T2 Wasteland. He fell into the trap of Wasting RUG Delver. He just should have built his mana base toward resolving that Ringleader in hand. Instead he put himself 2 turns behind by Wasting.
Rule of thumb: Never Waste RUG Delver if they have 2 U sources.
The following match Mr Pilcher forgets a Vial trigger, then doesn't Tarfire a Dark Confidant. You cannot let grindy decks like BUG Delver draw free cards. Then he Tarfires a Goyf. Hrmf.... wow. Um, ok. Then he scoops to a Dark Confidant before his opponent's last upkeep when opponent was at 3. You can't scoop when your opponent is one untap step from possible suicide.Quote:
Originally Posted by jrw1985
1st game against RUG: I guess what made him lose for sure is when he went for matron=tarfire with gempalm in hand, he knew that gempalm would never kill a goyf, and tarfire only made goyf bigger, I guess that a MWM would be better in that position. He could played matron, gempalm Delver, block one goyf and next turn double block easy.. giving him enough extra time to take to game, well, perhaps.Quote:
Originally Posted by jrw1985
BTW, even in a match with FoW and daze we can see that tarfire is better than gempalm right now, if he had a tarfife (not a gempalm) he could kill delver and them play lackey, with that play he would have more 6 life.. what is a lot..
2nd game against RUG: The fact that the RUG player goes for a ponder on his first turn, is a sign that he is short in mana? Because that wasteland early sound a bit risk. Well, he could just played Thalia, what would be not that good, as he would just play goyf in his turn, what should change a lot this game.
In 3rd Game that wasteland really costed his game? What could he done with a flooded hand in that situation?
What you guys think about it?
Thx Jrw1985 for bringing this matchs to us.
Cya