-
Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
Right sorry.
Anyway... I somehow doubt that the demand for SoFaI isn't going to decrease because of price. Seems like shops know that legacy players are prepared to shell out a lot of money for cards. SoFaI as a singleton isn't going to stop anyone from buying the card even at this price.
The could do this with every (rare) card that is only printed once...
-
Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
Anyone notice this on SCG:
Force of Will: $74.99
Tarmogoyf: $69.99
Makes me glad I picked these up earlier last year.
-
Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
Korean 5th Necropotence - SCG listing at 220.00 USD now for NM/M; up 70.00 USD.
-
Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
SCG's prices are much, much higher than other places I've found online. I've only ordered once from SCG, and that's because I was using store credit. Unless SCG is your only option (need a playset ASAP and they're the only online retailer in stock, etc), I don't understand why people would buy from them.
-
Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Arsenal
SCG's prices are much, much higher than other places I've found online. I've only ordered once from SCG, and that's because I was using store credit. Unless SCG is your only option (need a playset ASAP and they're the only online retailer in stock, etc), I don't understand why people would buy from them.
Their foil prices tend to be very reasonable, and they have just about everything if you need a lot of random stuff. Also, +25% credit (so if you're trading in Jaces, it could be really worth your while)
-
Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Nessaja
...The could do this with every (rare) card that is only printed once...
I tend to disagree. I have just about every Legacy staple and a very good job and I don't think I would even pay that much for EVERY rare that was only printed once. I am pretty sure that there are plenty of frugal and/or non-financially privileged enough to play along at that price.
If you already have a lot of Legacy cards and you can at least make even trades then all you need to do is trade your XYZ newly expensive card for someone else's ABC newly/old expensive card. What I am saying is, is that if everything rises more or less together then price increases don't really hurt you that much. HOWEVER, if you are the new guy and look at an OMG_SOOO_MUCH_MONEY_FOR_THIS_MERFOLK_DECK.dec and it's the cheapest deck to play he/she may chose to play another format instead of try to break in. IMO these prices will slowly choke off the new guy and/or the on the fence to start playing guys. It will also cause players to "cash out" i.e. hit their walk away price. I really like my cards and the memories but if someone offered me let's say $50K for my cards in cash there is no way I wouldn't just hand them all over without a second thought. I am pretty sure I'd rebuy all the legacy cards online. Then I would buy a boat and a car for my wife OR just put a hefty down payment on a house. I am sorry to say but prices can not go up forever at the rate they are. But hey maybe I'm wrong and the college student is going to shell out $800 for his goyf playset... and $1200 for his tropical islands.
-
Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
Quote:
Originally Posted by
mchainmail
Their foil prices tend to be very reasonable, and they have just about everything if you need a lot of random stuff. Also, +25% credit (so if you're trading in Jaces, it could be really worth your while)
Most of the time, I don't even see that being worth it. Their buylist seems to be down at the moment but I am assuming they will give you like 80$ for your jace and so you get 100$ store credit after the 25%. But thats store credit, so now you have to spend it on all their very overpriced products. Again if you need a random mix of odd one of's, or need a bunch of staples FAST it's not a bad idea but unless I was desperate I wouldn't trade in a Jace, or any cards for that matter, to SSG.
Also, in the past 24~ hours or so it seems like Arcbound Ravager has sold out up to 28$ most places. I find this funny cause the affinity deck that got 1st in SSG Dallas this past weekend doesn't run ravagers...
-
Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
I was talking about buying cards at SCG vs. other online retailers, not selling stuff to them. And sure, the 25% trade-in sounds nice, but since their prices tend to be higher anyway, it isn't quite as attractive as it sounds.
I'm not saying that every single card they carry is overpriced, but I went down their frontpage buylist, checked to see how much they were selling those staples for, then checked a different online retailer what they're selling those same staples for, and the difference was quite telling.
-
Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
At the risk of repeating what's already been said, Sword of Fire and Ice being sold out in online stores (I just checked myself) and the same stores charging so much for it if it's in stock is hilarious, but at the same time very frightening. Who the hell knows which card is next? Fortunately, I think the price will fall quickly. But still.
-
Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Arsenal
I was talking about buying cards at SCG vs. other online retailers, not selling stuff to them. And sure, the 25% trade-in sounds nice, but since their prices tend to be higher anyway, it isn't quite as attractive as it sounds.
I'm not saying that every single card they carry is overpriced, but I went down their frontpage buylist, checked to see how much they were selling those staples for, then checked a different online retailer what they're selling those same staples for, and the difference was quite telling.
Okay, their staple price is high. Now let's look at this, and see if we can figure out a reason. Oh yeah. They run tournaments. A lot of them. And they want to have the cards in stock. Go figure.
Now, a NM FBB Plateau is only $100 ( http://sales.starcitygames.com//sear...0&Go.y=0&Go=Go ) which is $20 cheaper than http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trk...All-Categories .
Another example is Foil Dark Confidant (although SCG is sold out at the moment)
-
Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
Quote:
Originally Posted by
mchainmail
I generally don't use ebay/bidding/auctions sites as a barometer for card prices, but if you do, that's fine I guess. When I'm determining if a retail store is overcharging, I will typically look to other comparable retail stores (ie. online store, physical location, etc). Also, the reason behind Retail A charging $75 for a product and Retail B charging $58 for the same product doesn't matter to me, the only thing that matters is the $17 difference.
-
Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
11 SOFI Incoming. Cha Ching!
-
Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
Quote:
Originally Posted by
birds of paradise2
11 SOFI Incoming. Cha Ching!
Congratulations. That was an oh so insightful decision.
-
Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
Quote:
Originally Posted by
trivial_matters
Congratulations. That was an oh so insightful decision.
My pleasure. I'd say it added more value to the thread than your reply though.
Anyhow, what do you guys is the next biggest card? Let's speculate!
-
Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
Quote:
Originally Posted by
RaNDoMxGeSTuReS
Anyone notice this on SCG:
Force of Will: $74.99
Tarmogoyf: $69.99
Makes me glad I picked these up earlier last year.
Incredible. They were selling both for $60.00 in Dallas this weekend.
-
Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
Most of these cards are still a lot cheaper in Europe. Maybe its worth buying them here...
This may change, when GP Amsterdam is getting closer...
-
Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
Quote:
Originally Posted by
MSC
Most of these cards are still a lot cheaper in Europe. Maybe its worth buying them here...
The situation will rectify itself soon enough, cards always used to be more expensive in mainland Europe and more expensive still in the UK. Regards, Michael
-
Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
Quote:
Originally Posted by
birds of paradise2
Anyhow, what do you guys is the next biggest card? Let's speculate!
Island. Go buy your playsets now...
-
Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
Quote:
Originally Posted by
birds of paradise2
My pleasure. I'd say it added more value to the thread than your reply though.
Anyhow, what do you guys is the next biggest card? Let's speculate!
Actually, it really didn't; I'm quite certain your post makes no sense what so ever and really offers no more insight into your purchasing tendencies other than the fact you waited until a card shot up almost 110% of its most recent accepted value value and then went out and bought almost a dozen, probably tearing a hole in your wallet the size of the Chicxulub crater.
And I am picketing Legacy, by the way. The format is all-around getting far too expensive to keep up on and unless a major overhaul comes into place, you can count me out of this bullshit.
-
Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
I'm pretty sure the best way for these card prices to go down is to start printing cards that slowly change the meta-game.
We look at legacy staples because they fit a certain schema - low casting cost, powerful, and generally awesome to cast.
If we start seeing more and more cards printed in newer sets that fit this description, then not only will legacy have more toys to play with, but newcomers wont have to spend $1-2k on a deck.
I believe this trend has already started, what with cards like Leonin Arbiter and Phyrexian Revoker. The hardest part of this is to come up with cards that not only work within this template in their respective Standard environments, but cooperate with the older cards nicely.
Imagine a world where Force of Will and Dual Lands are wholly unnecessary to pilot a tier 1 deck. The reprint policy isn't the problem. The community and WotC needs to work together to grow the format, and that means printing newer, playable cards.
-
Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
The problem with that is playable Legacy cards can warp the Standard metagame (see Jace 2.0). They have to be really careful.
-
Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
Technically you can build Dredge for 100$, learn how to play it, and win games. FoW's and Dual's are not SO needed. In some 2 colour decks you can even play Duals as a 3 or 2 of instead of the full set and don't really notice the difference. You can build Sligh or Burn, and obviously Merfolk, or Affinity, or Spring Tide (minus Candelabra, it's not essential). If one wants to play on a budget, you have plenty of choice.
Of course I would like a huge meta shifts were cards like Phyrexian Revoker are fully playable, but probably after 3 months, Phyrexian Revoker would be 15$. It's the MtG market that is starting to go too fast...the only viable way to keep prices a bit down would be very fast meta shifts, with Tiers and staples changing every month. But to do so you need more cards to be printed, and more often. And frankly I don't want 12 new sets a year....
-
Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
Quote:
Originally Posted by
keys
The problem with that is playable Legacy cards can warp the Standard metagame (see Jace 2.0). They have to be really careful.
Actually Jace is not ''playable'' in Legacy, it is much more, and I consider it a staple of the format. Jace warped t2 for sure, but in a certain way warped Legacy and maybe Vintage too. He's talking about ''T2 cards playable in legacy'', not ''broken in any format'' cards.
-
Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
wow card really jack up prices that fast make me happy i kept my cards...
now i am thinking if its worth buying a set of tarmogoyf foils for SG$ 900?
2 sp 1nm 1nm spanish...
-
Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
Quote:
Originally Posted by
kiblast
Actually Jace is not ''playable'' in Legacy, it is much more, and I consider it a staple of the format. Jace warped t2 for sure, but in a certain way warped Legacy and maybe Vintage too. He's talking about ''T2 cards playable in legacy'', not ''broken in any format'' cards.
Insert "broken in any format" instead of "playable Legacy" in my last post and you should get my meaning. No amount of Phyrexian Revokers or Green Sun's Zeniths are going to replace Force of Will and Tarmogoyf.
-
Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
I'm more worried about them printing things that limit the format to that card only from there on out instead of the larger selection that came before it. Goyf is the prime example. He's not overpowered, but he sure does limit your choices to deck building from there on out. I need a cheap large creature, well goyf takes the spot just about every time since nothing else can compare. Go for the Throat is the next example. There's not much reason to use anything else in black for removal now. That card fixed the Tombstalker dilemma. I just don't want them printing things that eliminate entire card selections just for the sake of power creep. It would be like them making a blue card draw spell that's flat better than Standstill, Predict, and Brainstorm right now.
-
Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
Quote:
Originally Posted by
dahcmai
I'm more worried about them printing things that limit the format to that card only from there on out instead of the larger selection that came before it. Goyf is the prime example. He's not overpowered, but he sure does limit your choices to deck building from there on out. I need a cheap large creature, well goyf takes the spot just about every time since nothing else can compare. Go for the Throat is the next example. There's not much reason to use anything else in black for removal now. That card fixed the Tombstalker dilemma. I just don't want them printing things that eliminate entire card selections just for the sake of power creep. It would be like them making a blue card draw spell that's flat better than Standstill, Predict, and Brainstorm right now.
goyf and GFtT are not comparable in the way you describe
there are still lots of other black spot creature removal spells - snuff out, innocent blood, ghastly demise even edict - that in the right circumstances/deck will be played over GFtT
goyf is obviously undercosted but as non-goyf decks come to the fore - remember how survival made goyf weak - his value won't necessarily keep rising
the reality is that eternal formats just aren't a priority for wizards - look at how BSC instantly replaced (and made redundant) DSC in vintage - their focus is necessarily standard (keeping this part of the game fresh) and that will eliminate previously loved legacy (and vintage) staples
-
Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
You got the idea. Nitpicky. : P
-
Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
How much do you guys think Jace and foil Jace will stabilize after standard rotation?
I'm going to say about $70, $180-$200 respectively. I see Jace as the same story as Goyf back in the day, except that he is a mythic (however less copies of him are demanded since he is more narrow than Goyf in Legacy/Ext.
i might be entirely wrong though XD
-
Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
Quote:
Originally Posted by
CranialX
wow card really jack up prices that fast make me happy i kept my cards...
now i am thinking if its worth buying a set of tarmogoyf foils for SG$ 900?
2 sp 1nm 1nm spanish...
Why?
-
Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Metalwalker
How much do you guys think Jace and foil Jace will stabilize after standard rotation?
I'm going to say about $70, $180-$200 respectively. I see Jace as the same story as Goyf back in the day, except that he is a mythic (however less copies of him are demanded since he is more narrow than Goyf in Legacy/Ext.
i might be entirely wrong though XD
He's 70-80 now.
Figure 40-50 post rotation.
-
Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Metalwalker
How much do you guys think Jace and foil Jace will stabilize after standard rotation?
I'm going to say about $70, $180-$200 respectively. I see Jace as the same story as Goyf back in the day, except that he is a mythic (however less copies of him are demanded since he is more narrow than Goyf in Legacy/Ext.
i might be entirely wrong though XD
Most likley to the point where you can trade one tarmo for one Jace
This post is likewise lacking in content and posting quality. My comment below applies here too. Thanks.
- Bardo
-
Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
for collection but i am still thinking... do you think its a good buy?
Hi and welcome to The Source. Your post is lacking in a few place. Please see our Site Rules before posting next time.
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...l=1#post174024
- Bardo
Update - NEVER delete a mod comment. You're new here, so it's cool. But if a mod red texts one of your posts, just accept it, adjust your posting, and move on. PM me is you wish to discuss.
-
Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Metalwalker
How much do you guys think Jace and foil Jace will stabilize after standard rotation?
I'm going to say about $70, $180-$200 respectively. I see Jace as the same story as Goyf back in the day, except that he is a mythic (however less copies of him are demanded since he is more narrow than Goyf in Legacy/Ext.
i might be entirely wrong though XD
More like $75-80 non-foil. I don't think the card is narrow as he is the nuts in every control deck (Vintage and Ext included).
This card is fucking insane. He can fit into any tempo shell, Landstill, Countertop, even in Stax and Pox. How many Planeswalkers can make Hymn to Tourach, Smallpox, and even Smokestack worth playing again?
-
Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Mr.C
He's 70-80 now.
Figure 40-50 post rotation.
You must be out of it, he is around 100$ right now non-foil 95 for an SP. He will still be in extended for a while after standard dont forget guys.
I see him leveling out around 70. If they print a better blue walker he will drop to 50ish but other than that, I do not see much changing.
-
Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
All this talk about legacy prices going crazy (and i actually think they really are) makes me think more and more about an overextended possibility. Legacy is slowing going the vintage way, and i really see EDH being the future of eternal play.
I guess i will hold on to ravnica duals and such cards, because the more i look into it, the more i see the ship wrecking...
-
Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
" the more i look into it, the more i see the ship wrecking... "
Same thoughts here.
The prices are so damn high that there are just few new players who can get to know and play competetive in the format. I see huge problems when all those Leg. Dinosaurs start quitting the game due to their normal life and there are no new players. Sure, its a bit exaggerating and all those big tourneys in each country will stay alive for quite a time, but it is definetly not so far from truth. I am always wondering how a market can have raising prices when the number of people using the products isnt raising at all. Supply and demand sure exist but there is no "real" reason for such excessive raise of prices. It is a collectible card game and some cards become very rare, but I think a lot of people just make up prices a bit cause they are willing to get a lot more money out of this game than they spended on it.
If I am wrong at this, especially about the growing or decreasing number of MtG Eternal players, feel free to correct me and inform me better. I am kinda confused about all those prices exploding. I bought FoW's for 12-20 Euro a piece and was nearly a bit too greedy to spend that money and that was maybe 2 and a half year ago, maybe 3.
I recognized a kinda stubborn behaviour on this topic by many players, but I really wish that people think a lot more about the development of prices and ask themselves if its really correct or just I-hype-to-an-extend-cause-some-will-buy-it-cause-it-made-twice-top8. No personal offense, honestly, but īsome things are going really crazy in the last time IMO.
Greetings!
-
Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
Where are you guys getting your Jace prices? Locally, they're about 75-85, and they're not moving quickly. Whether it be the upcoming rotation or "high" price, they're around. Regional pricing, perhaps?
-Matt
-
Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
Quote:
Originally Posted by
sdematt
Where are you guys getting your Jace prices? Locally, they're about 75-85, and they're not moving quickly. Whether it be the upcoming rotation or "high" price, they're around. Regional pricing, perhaps?
-Matt
In USD. Based on Starcity and Channel fireball, Buy it now on Ebay 95. Troll and Toad 95. 110 at Card Kingdom 95 at MTGfanatic. Coolstuffinc 105.
Strike Zone Online 105. Ideal808 97. Magic inferno 96.
Average Price is 98.8 USD.
-
Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
If your going to buy a card you aren't going to try to buy an "averaged priced one" when there are cheaper options readily available. They are going for 75-85$ on ebay. SSG, channelfireball, etc. prices aren't "Average"; that's the high end if your feeling lazy or are really crunched for time so paying 15$ more for a jace is worth it.
