[Deck] The Rock

4-1 in tonight's league:

Miracles: 2-1
Grixis Delver: 2-0
Grixis Delver: 2-0
4c Delver: 2-0
Infect: 1-2

Infect I made a bad keep g2:

Decay, Decay, Forest, Deathrite Shaman, Wasteland, Swords to Plowshares, Pithing Needle

I never drew another land and my DRS got Dazed. Game 3 was more of a game, but eventually I was stuck with decays in hand and no way to deal with an inkmoth which invigorated and then Vines me to death. if I had mulled g2 to a hand that at least cast some removal spells, I should have been able to take him down. Better luck next time!

30 Matches, match win % 60

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Originally Posted by ironclad8690

4-1 in tonight's league:

Miracles: 2-1
Grixis Delver: 2-0
Grixis Delver: 2-0
4c Delver: 2-0
Infect: 1-2

Infect I made a bad keep g2:

Decay, Decay, Forest, Deathrite Shaman, Wasteland, Swords to Plowshares, Pithing Needle

I never drew another land and my DRS got Dazed. Game 3 was more of a game, but eventually I was stuck with decays in hand and no way to deal with an inkmoth which invigorated and then Vines me to death. if I had mulled g2 to a hand that at least cast some removal spells, I should have been able to take him down. Better luck next time!

30 Matches, match win % 60

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Post your list again since the tweaks.

4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Dark Confidant
4 Stoneforge Mystic
3 Lingerig Souls

4 Thoughtseize
3 Hymn to Tourach

4 Swords to Plowshares
3 Abrupt Decay
1 Maelstrom Pulse

3 Liliana of the Veil

1 Sylvan Library

1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Batterskull
1 Sword of Fire and Ice

3 Scrubland
2 Bayou
1 Savannah
1 Forest
1 Plains
1 Swamp
4 Marsh Flats
4 Verdant Catacombs
2 Windswept Heath
1 Karakas
3 Wasteland

Sideboard:
2 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2 Zealous Persecution
2 Disfigure
2 Nihil Spellbomb
1 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Chains of Mephistopheles
1 Choke
1 Krosan Grip
1 Garruk Relentless
1 Pithing Needle

This is a lot closer to DGA than the Rock imo...

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Do you think I should post about it there instead?

Deadguy is a close deck to this, but Deadguy revolves around the likes of Tidehollow, Mox, and Vial.

I will say that I've taken a very similar list to that to an Open in years past and just went 0-3 drop since it didn't have any meat, so it's interesting that this list can be successful now.

My recent findings are that the "meat" just makes you weak to walkers. By having your meat go wide instead of tall (lingering souls), you present more of a problem for miracles, lands, and shardless.

Also, I believe souls combine better with Liliana for this equipment heavy version's puposes. Souls has always felt better with equips for me than Goyf because flying makes it easier to connect.

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Originally Posted by Claymore

Deadguy is a close deck to this, but Deadguy revolves around the likes of Tidehollow, Mox, and Vial.

I will say that I've taken a very similar list to that to an Open in years past and just went 0-3 drop since it didn't have any meat, so it's interesting that this list can be successful now.

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First, Sculler isn't considered a vital element within DGA, and mox is not in most lists, it's something Wilkin (a sourcer) plays a couple of, but definitely isn't a staple either. Dead guy can be summed up as a Lingering Souls, Bob and stoneforge list that runs a decent amount of discard including multiple lotv. A light splash of green isn't uncommon for an amount of Decays and the occasional sylvan library. Sculler is occasionally used, but not an auto-include.

I think its okay for now, but any less green and I think it's time for a thread change. Honestly, dropping Goyf is imo a bad decision. It's too good against eldrazi for it to be removed, especially when the rest of the entire deck can't stand up to a smasher.

I haven't experienced eldrazi to be very hard to beat, but maybe I just haven't played the matchup enough. With the 4 swords, equip package, 3 Lili and 1 pulse I can almost always destroy what I need to or race in the sky (thanks to the souls and drs drain).

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Originally Posted by ironclad8690

4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Dark Confidant
4 Stoneforge Mystic
3 Lingerig Souls

4 Thoughtseize
3 Hymn to Tourach

4 Swords to Plowshares
3 Abrupt Decay
1 Maelstrom Pulse

3 Liliana of the Veil

1 Sylvan Library

1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Batterskull
1 Sword of Fire and Ice

3 Scrubland
2 Bayou
1 Savannah
1 Forest
1 Plains
1 Swamp
4 Marsh Flats
4 Verdant Catacombs
2 Windswept Heath
1 Karakas
3 Wasteland

Sideboard:
2 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2 Zealous Persecution
2 Disfigure
2 Nihil Spellbomb
1 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Chains of Mephistopheles
1 Choke
1 Krosan Grip
1 Garruk Relentless
1 Pithing Needle

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Hey Ironclad, thanks for posting your league results. I actually just bought into the deck this past month (online and I'm 98% done in paper) and the success you've been having in your leagues only makes me even more satisfied with my deck choice and purchase. I've been playing legacy online whenever I can and I am surprised how much game this deck has. Prior to me posting, I just beat storm 2-0!

Anyway, this is the list that I've been cooking up and I just want to compare with you.

Lands (21)
2 Bayou
1 Forest
1 Karakas
2 Marsh Flats
1 Plains
1 Savannah
2 Scrubland
1 Swamp
4 Verdant Catacombs
3 Wasteland
3 Windswept Heath

Creatures (15)
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Dark Confidant
3 Stoneforge Mystic
4 Tarmogoyf

Sorcery (10)
4 Thoughtseize
3 Hymn to Tourach
2 Lingering Souls
1 Toxic Deluge

Instant (7)
3 Swords to Plowshares
4 Abrupt Decay

Artifacts (3)
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Batterskull

Enchantment (1)
1 Sylvan Library

Planeswalkers (3)
3 Liliana of the Veil

Sideboard (15)
1 Chains of Mephistopheles
1 Choke
2 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Garruk Relentless
1 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Pithing Needle
1 Scavenging Ooze
2 Surgical Extraction
1 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2 Zealous Persecution


Some notable differences.

1) You have 23 Lands and I have 21. I've never had any issues with the amount of mana. Just quality of mana (having awkward dual +wasteland openers and getting my dual wasted, leaving me with no colored sources). Maybe 22 is the magic number. I have 9 fetches and I could use a 10th. Just don't know what to cut.

2) You run no Tarmogoyfs. I am new to the format so I am not sure if that's correct but it sure is nice having a big fat body that can hold the ground and race against combo.

3) You have 1 Pulse main while I have 1 Toxic Deluge. I've been liking Deluge a lot so far since it gives us game against Elves, Empty the Warrens Tokens, Entreat the Angels Tokens, etc. while also being able to X for 1 against a deck like Shardless. Sweep up their Strix + DRS + Goyf is big game. Just seems more versatile than Pulse. But this is all preference and a meta call.

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Originally Posted by KoDiamonds

1) You have 23 Lands and I have 21. I've never had any issues with the amount of mana. Just quality of mana (having awkward dual +wasteland openers and getting my dual wasted, leaving me with no colored sources). Maybe 22 is the magic number. I have 9 fetches and I could use a 10th. Just don't know what to cut.

2) You run no Tarmogoyfs. I am new to the format so I am not sure if that's correct but it sure is nice having a big fat body that can hold the ground and race against combo.

3) You have 1 Pulse main while I have 1 Toxic Deluge. I've been liking Deluge a lot so far since it gives us game against Elves, Empty the Warrens Tokens, Entreat the Angels Tokens, etc. while also being able to X for 1 against a deck like Shardless. Sweep up their Strix + DRS + Goyf is big game. Just seems more versatile than Pulse. But this is all preference and a meta call.

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1) Yes, I felt 23 lands would be good because when Reid Duke played Jund he had 24 and my curve is just a little lower than his. I like having lots of land with a deck that doesn't have brainstorm.

2) I would probably play goyfs if I had them online, but Lingering is doing a pretty good impression. It just goes wide like pyro instead of tall like goyf. Also really helps the Lands matchup.

3) I like Pulse mainly because it kills Jace. Deluge is great if you don't run into miracles very often, but I encounter it so frequently I like having an out to Entreat and Jace all in one. COuld be deluge or vindicate too though.

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Originally Posted by ironclad8690

1) Yes, I felt 23 lands would be good because when Reid Duke played Jund he had 24 and my curve is just a little lower than his. I like having lots of land with a deck that doesn't have brainstorm.

2) I would probably play goyfs if I had them online, but Lingering is doing a pretty good impression. It just goes wide like pyro instead of tall like goyf. Also really helps the Lands matchup.

3) I like Pulse mainly because it kills Jace. Deluge is great if you don't run into miracles very often, but I encounter it so frequently I like having an out to Entreat and Jace all in one. COuld be deluge or vindicate too though.

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Everyone please play more Sylvan Library, no need for any fancy Chains. 2-3 Sylvans and those matchups feel a lot better.

I really prefer Chains when it comes to delver and shardless.

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Originally Posted by ironclad8690

1)2) I would probably play goyfs if I had them online, but Lingering is doing a pretty good impression. It just goes wide like pyro instead of tall like goyf. Also really helps the Lands matchup.

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I actually hate the stare contest champ. If you're limited and would like to try something, Grim Flayer may be an alternative. I don't know that either actually compliments enough to warrant the slot in your list though. It would almost require a full retooling of your list.

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Originally Posted by sdematt

Everyone please play more Sylvan Library, no need for any fancy Chains. 2-3 Sylvans and those matchups feel a lot better.

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I do not enjoyed Library as much with the current meta. That being said, I don't necessarily enjoy Chains either. For filter I'm back to a 2;1 split in favor of Top. Blue decks have simply been Choked.

I posted my list earlier but here it is again.

Lands (21)
2 Bayou
1 Forest
1 Karakas
2 Marsh Flats
1 Plains
1 Savannah
2 Scrubland
1 Swamp
4 Verdant Catacombs
3 Wasteland
3 Windswept Heath

Creatures (15)
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Dark Confidant
3 Stoneforge Mystic
4 Tarmogoyf

Sorcery (10)
4 Thoughtseize
3 Hymn to Tourach
2 Lingering Souls
1 Toxic Deluge

Instant (7)
3 Swords to Plowshares
4 Abrupt Decay

Artifacts (3)
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Batterskull

Enchantment (1)
1 Sylvan Library

Planeswalkers (3)
3 Liliana of the Veil

Sideboard (15)
1 Chains of Mephistopheles
1 Choke
2 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Garruk Relentless
1 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Pithing Needle
1 Scavenging Ooze
2 Surgical Extraction
1 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2 Zealous Persecution

I think 21 lands is too greedy and I need to cut a mainboard card. I was thinking either a Deathrite, a bob, or a goyf. What are peoples thoughts? Or should I stick with 21 lands?

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Originally Posted by KoDiamonds

I posted my list earlier but here it is again.

Lands (21)
2 Bayou
1 Forest
1 Karakas
2 Marsh Flats
1 Plains
1 Savannah
2 Scrubland
1 Swamp
4 Verdant Catacombs
3 Wasteland
3 Windswept Heath

Creatures (15)
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Dark Confidant
3 Stoneforge Mystic
4 Tarmogoyf

Sorcery (10)
4 Thoughtseize
3 Hymn to Tourach
2 Lingering Souls
1 Toxic Deluge

Instant (7)
3 Swords to Plowshares
4 Abrupt Decay

Artifacts (3)
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Batterskull

Enchantment (1)
1 Sylvan Library

Planeswalkers (3)
3 Liliana of the Veil

Sideboard (15)
1 Chains of Mephistopheles
1 Choke
2 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Garruk Relentless
1 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Pithing Needle
1 Scavenging Ooze
2 Surgical Extraction
1 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2 Zealous Persecution

I think 21 lands is too greedy and I need to cut a mainboard card. I was thinking either a Deathrite, a bob, or a goyf. What are peoples thoughts? Or should I stick with 21 lands?

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Play the extra land, go to 61, relax and enjoy yourself.

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Originally Posted by KoDiamonds

I think 21 lands is too greedy and I need to cut a mainboard card. I was thinking either a Deathrite, a bob, or a goyf. What are peoples thoughts? Or should I stick with 21 lands?

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Creatures (15)
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Dark Confidant
3 Stoneforge Mystic
4 Tarmogoyf
2 Lingering Souls
1 Batterskull

you're threat light as it is. removing a creature doesn't seem like a good idea to me. try a piece of the discard package instead. I'd go with a thoughseize as you're running 4 shaman. It can go to the board and be safe there ;)

To keep the thread active, Ill post an update that I'll stick with the 21 lands for now with 4 DRS. My friend said even miracles runs 20-22 so i should be able to get by with 21.

imo, i think 21 is good, most of the time drs gives us the mana we need.
i also run 21, if you will get mana screwed you will.
also junks curve is 2-3.
we can live with 2 and still do what we are supposed to do.

I normally play 18 lands, but I also give my wastelands spell slots, so technically 22. 61 cards always.