Re: [Deck] Nic Fit (GBx Explorer Zenith Control)
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Originally Posted by
Barook
I just noticed that HoneyT's list doesn't run Stronghold. That seems rather odd, especially while running Titan. What's the reason for that?
I asked him the same thing, he answered me this:
"Recurring Nightmare in this deck is a non-tutorable enchantment that does nothing on its own and increases your vulnerability to graveyard hate unnecessarily. That's also why I play Kessig Wolf Run as opposed to Volrath's Stronghold. They do the same job of winning the game. Wolf Run simply does it faster and more efficiently without being further exposed to graveyard hate. In short, stay away from Recurring Nightmare outside of Rector lists. "
Re: [Deck] Nic Fit (GBx Explorer Zenith Control)
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Originally Posted by
Barook
I just noticed that HoneyT's list doesn't run Stronghold. That seems rather odd, especially while running Titan. What's the reason for that?
The deck can only realistically support 2 colorless lands and Wolf Run is better.
Don't get me wrong, Stronghold is powerful and provides a source of inevitability in the late game. However, Wolf Run provides that same inevitability by turning all your creatures into fireballs. It's less durdle-y and closes the game out much faster and does so without being further exposed to graveyard hate.
Re: [Deck] Nic Fit (GBx Explorer Zenith Control)
Well, despite selling my collection a week or so ago to pay for bills, I'm still addicted to this archetype and will probably be slowly but surely building it again.
This time however, I'm going straight for Junk over BUG and thinking of incorporating either Iname, Death Aspect or Buried Alive to super-charge the deck with Bloodghast when I need to be the aggro (i.e. combo, Miracles, possibly mirror).
A list I've been toying around with today:
60 Main
4 Veteran Explorer
3 Deathrite Shaman
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Sakura Tribe-Elder
2 Eternal Witness
1 Thragtusk
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
1 Primeval Titan
1 Karmic Guide
1 Yosei, the Morning Star
4 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Diabolic Intent
1 Buried Alive
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Pernicious Deed
3 Abrupt Decay
2 Council's Judgment
4 Verdant Catacomb
4 Windswept Heath
2 Bayou
2 Savannah
2 Swamp
2 Forest
2 Plains
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Volrath's Stronghold
15 Sideboard
4 Thoughtseize
3 Bloodghast
2 Surgical Extraction
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Abrupt Decay
1 Council's Judgment
3 Toxic Deluge
I start with Bloodghasts in the side simply because they don't provide any value at all on their own. Also debating on Yosei v. Kokusho (combo hates having to race against a life advantage, but Miracles hates being locked out of mana, or so I imagine) and Iname, District Attorney v. Buried Alive (body v. speed).
Re: [Deck] Nic Fit (GBx Explorer Zenith Control)
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Originally Posted by
Qweerios
I compiled my results for the last weekly tournaments I attended in which I took two 1st place using Junk Pod:
2-0 vs. Aggro Loam
1-2 vs. BUG Pod
2-1 vs. Oops all Spells
2-1 vs. Punishing Jund
2-0 vs. Nic Fit
2-1 vs. Deathblade
2-0 vs. Team America
I used the same list I posted a few pages back with the same SB. I played 4 DRS, 3 Explorers, and no BoP. Sigarda (with and without Jitte) won almost every single game... Entomber Exarch saw some play but is still quite weak. I think I will replace him with either a 22nd land or the 4th explorer as I don't really need three 4-drops to gloom over my starting hand and both my 5-drops are accessible through GSZ.
You could consider Timbermare to replace Entomber Exarch ?
Re: [Deck] Nic Fit (GBx Explorer Zenith Control)
Hello,
I m not an expert player of the deck. I was wondering what was your gameplan against Cloudpost ? Any Sideboard card that could be good against them ?
Thanks
Re: [Deck] Nic Fit (GBx Explorer Zenith Control)
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Originally Posted by
Jizz
Hello,
I m not an expert player of the deck. I was wondering what was your gameplan against Cloudpost ? Any Sideboard card that could be good against them ?
Thanks
Usually you just lose, honestly. I've played the matchup a couple times with Scape and it is really really bad. Even the scapeshift kill is hard to pull off since they can Crop Rotate for Glacial Chasm with triggers on the stack and then you get to sit there until you get space monstered out of the game. One of the strengths of Nic Fit is that you get to go bigger than your opponent and outclass their cards. 12-post is one of the few decks that gets to do that to us. One does not simply outclass a hardcast Emrakul. Killing them the fair way is probably harder for us than it is for the fair decks that they already beat. We do not have Wasteland to buy time, we do not have 1-mana 3/2s, what we have is a bunch of 1/1s and some 4- and 5-drops that are too slow to matter to the deck. I would not bother sideboarding for this matchup unless you inhabit a strange metagame (in which case you should probably play something else) or you decide to try out that Blood Moon tech that was mentioned a few pages ago.
Re: [Deck] Nic Fit (GBx Explorer Zenith Control)
@Jizz - What version are you playing? I play the pfire version and I run 2 SB blood moons to deal with my Lands matchup. I assume 12 post would be similar. I really only bring them in as a "nuclear" type card because it turns off the groves and the wolf run as well as a fair amount of the rest of the lands. I actually only run 6 basics.
Re: [Deck] Nic Fit (GBx Explorer Zenith Control)
If you are forced to exist within a 12-post heavy metagame, I would recommend siding 3-4 -heavy- land hate options. I wouldn't bother with Blood Moon vs them -- it's much more effective against Lands, whereas more powerful options like Sowing Salt, for example, isn't very good against Lands at all but is a knockout vs 12post. From the Ashes is another hard-hitting option.
Basically, if you want to effectively defeat 12post, you need to buckle down and dedicate a lot of slots to serious land hate. To be fair, Nic Fit -can- do this. The problem is that these slots are basically dead against everything else, and you need to eat up 3-5 total slots with them to reliably win the matchup, which makes your other matchups very weak.
Re: [Deck] Nic Fit (GBx Explorer Zenith Control)
Had another small tourney at Saturday with good results
Beat miracles in 1. Yes, 1. 40 minutes. Highlights included having a Thragtusk in play three times (twice after a terminus). Me digging for a creature to sac to a diabolic intent for a deed to kill a miracled entreat for 7. Won by decaying a token while he attacked with 2 of the 3 angels, one left back to block a thrun.
Beat B/G Storm (forget the name) in 3.
Game 1. We both mull to 5. I don't see a 2nd land until turn 3 or 4. I get stormed out.
Game 2. I keep a hand with disruption and win fairly easily.
Game 3. I have a decent hand with a therapy but no Mindbreak. He attempts to go off turn one with a summoner's pact and whiffs.
Beat U/R omni-tell
Game 1. Opponent gets stuck on land while I execute the 1/1 beats with a canonist.
Game 2. I get blood mooned and then FSMed.
Game 3. I get a rector out...he decides to echoing truth it back to my hand. I replay it. He blood moons me again. and FSM's me....and humility comes out. Humility for me vs 5 land and a blood moon for him. He hard casts Omni. and we play cripple fight for a while. I get a top in play and end up getting some 1/1's then batterskull in play and win.
Drew with Reanimator.
Lost to Mud in top 4.
Blew the board a couple of times but he recovered.
2nd game: On the play I name chalice of the void. He rips....a chalice for one. I never recover.
Re: [Deck] Nic Fit (GBx Explorer Zenith Control)
I play a Wasteless control deck that isn't Miracle and the match up vs Cloudpost is as bad as yours. Thanks for your tips. I ended up adding Ruination to my sideboard, even though I play few basics. Bloodmoon can be answered by both Lands and Cloudpost (repeal, decay, etc..). Sowing salt is also a nice one.
Re: [Deck] Nic Fit (GBx Explorer Zenith Control)
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Originally Posted by
Jizz
I play a Wasteless control deck that isn't Miracle and the match up vs Cloudpost is as bad as yours. Thanks for your tips. I ended up adding Ruination to my sideboard, even though I play few basics. Bloodmoon can be answered by both Lands and Cloudpost (repeal, decay, etc..)
It somewhat depends on the deck in general. Blood Moon is answerable, yes. But it usually makes the opposing deck jump through a few hoops in order to answer it. It buys at least a couple of turns, in which time you may be able to slam the door. This is a little easier with Nic Fit than most control decks, but your mileage may vary. If you can effectively pressure (either by life total, deck control [slaughter games, etc], counter-control [venser/karakas lock once moon is solved], or etc) the opponent while they durdle trying to answer the Moon, it's good enough.
If you're not confidant in your ability to do this, From the Ashes / Ruination is your best bet. You just have to try to play around it. Maybe add a couple of mana rocks to help with losing your own lands? It's not like control decks are ever opposed to mana sources.
Re: [Deck] Nic Fit (GBx Explorer Zenith Control)
If your main concern is 12-post then blood moon is not the absolute best card to use. I for some reason have multiple lands players (typically 2-4) at any given weekly (usually about 20-25 players) and I believe blood moon is more effective at that match-up. I also bring it in against any deck packing the depths combo as my deck literally has now answer to that aside from soaking the hit and winning on the crack back.
I think that blood moon can be more applicable than some of the other options (the land destruction spells) but to be honest I havent run any since I used to play tsunami in my board back when I played GB only version.
@jizz how many basics are you playing?
Re: [Deck] Nic Fit (GBx Explorer Zenith Control)
Haha, I realized my list is actually from jobdevries...just to give credit where due (jbone's has the rectors right?). Anyways, thanks for the tips.
Re: [Deck] Nic Fit (GBx Explorer Zenith Control)
My latest Rector list actually sports a positive Elves matchup for the first time amongst any of my Nic Fit decks, I think. All it took was (in my opinion) gross over-reacting:
maindeck things that interact with them:
3 Deed
1 Deluge
2 Swords
2 Decay
2 Judgment
1 Teeg (+3 Zenith)
sb:
2 Seize
2 Mindcensor
2 Canonist
1 Cranial Extraction
1 Plague
1 Rule of Law
That's 20 cards that interact with Elves, gentlemen. It takes having 20 goddamn cards before I feel like I actually have a good matchup there. Now admittedly very little of that is expressly -for- Elves....most of it is for other combo decks (or other fair decks) and Elves just gets caught in the middle. But still.
Re: [Deck] Nic Fit (GBx Explorer Zenith Control)
I have been thinking about a Non-pod BUG list for a few days. Does anybody have a list they have been playing? just trying to get a baseline for a rough decklist.
Re: [Deck] Nic Fit (GBx Explorer Zenith Control)
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Originally Posted by
Tom4ik
I have been thinking about a Non-pod BUG list for a few days. Does anybody have a list they have been playing? just trying to get a baseline for a rough decklist.
Largely untested (I've been focusing on Rector mostly), but here's something to get you started thinking:
4 Veteran Explorer
3 Baleful Strix
3 Eternal Witness
1 Shriekmaw
1 Aetherling
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Force of Will
4 Cryptic Command
3 Abrupt Decay
4 Brainstorm
2 Jace, The Mind Sculptor
2 Kiora, the Crashing Wave
3 Pernicious Deed
1 Future Sight
3 Forest
3 Island
2 Swamp
2 Bayou
2 Underground Sea
2 Tropical Island
3 Misty Rainforest
3 Verdant Catacombs
2 Polluted Delta
::sb::
1 Abrupt Decay
1 Toxic Deluge
2 Glen Elendra Archmage
2 Vendilion Clique
2 Pithing Needle
2 Flusterstorm
2 Kitchen Finks
1 Thragtusk
1 Progenitor Mimic
1 Cranial Extraction
Re: [Deck] Nic Fit (GBx Explorer Zenith Control)
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Originally Posted by
Tom4ik
I have been thinking about a Non-pod BUG list for a few days. Does anybody have a list they have been playing? just trying to get a baseline for a rough decklist.
I'll try and post mine later tonight as well.
Re: [Deck] Nic Fit (GBx Explorer Zenith Control)
Heyooo
So, I've been looking at Nic Fit as a deck I'd be interested in tossing together, but nearly all of the lists of course employ various cute tricks and most of those cute tricks bore me. Does anyone have more of a straightforward trick-free "fair" build they wouldn't mind showing?
