The game plan against Miracles isn't to make Goblins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alix444
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The game plan against Miracles isn't to make Goblins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alix444
That's weird I could have sworn I heard you proclaim that. Regardless of who said it, it is one of our highest win percent lines for games on the draw. Furthermore, going goblins or not, swarm can't discounted in the miracles match because "counterbalance."
I never said it was bad against Miracles, it's fine there because of Sensei's Divining Top but does absolutely nothing against Counterbalance. Which is a fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alix444
Hi, I'll throw my opinión regarding Xantid to whom may interest:
As I'm preparing to the next MKM series I'm in testing process of a Storm variant, my current TES variant is like Bryant but -1 Duress + 3rd C.Moxen main,
the first thing I tested was Surgical Extraction however it is not effective as the Opp. can play in response DTT...so I'm in testing process of Extirpate as a 2 Of.
As I play only 6 discard spells main I play 2 more duress in Side which I bring vs blue mainly.
I took SlothTheDark Approach as a start looking the good results he got in Lille at its simplests is +2 Krosan +3 A.D + 2Extirpate + 2Pyro vs Miracles and I'm quite sure that also SDT made a good job for him..., I took out pyro because it seems more based once PiF is resolved AND in conjunction with SDT and because TES has a more A.N. focused approach. However I'm taking my Old TNT build to start testing once I finish with TES and in here I'll likely copy the strategy from SloshTheDark entirely adding 2 Pyro to the approach.
As said I still haven't tested Extirpate but surgical does a good job vs both Miracles and Omnitell. - sure unless DTT is played in response... I have good feelings at least in TNT regarding Extirpate.
This is my current TES Side:
4 Abrupt Decay
1 Bayou
1 Void Snare
2 Duress
1 Past in Flames
1 Empty the Warrens
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Massacre
1 Dark Petition
2 Extirpate
I don't have both Massacre and Pyroclasm as I find them redundant - I already have Void snare vs Teeg. and I also prefer to not to play CoV as I still haven't any need of it because of the speed 3 C.M provides me.
As said just my opinion.
Please do not reply me as I'm not interested in any opinion.
Removing Xantid Swarm isn't a surprising decision, I believed then and continue to think now that the deck needs SB disruption that's more relevant in the aggro-control match ups because you have to start off by Duressing your opponent in order to protect your hand from varied hate. We're basically back to the old BUG Delver metagame, except Grixis Delver is even faster with Cabal Therapy and Lightning Bolt.
Not a big fan of SBing Duress tho', I'd rather have a second Thoughtseize - life loss is only a problem after you've cast Ad Nauseam, which means you at least put yourself in a position to win the game if you got there.
Like I mentioned in the article, I'm not sure if a second Disruption spell for the D&T matchup is better yet. It might be considering this is my current plan:Quote:
Originally Posted by Final Fortune
-3 Duress
-3 Ponder
+1 Bayou
+2 Chain of Vapor
+1 Void Snare
+1 Pyroclasm
+1 Thoughtseize
If we add in a second Thoughtseize over the Duress you can also do -1 Ponder (4th) +1 Thoughtseize (2nd).
Bryant did you get your Brainstorm issue sorted out? I felt pretty bad about your loss, I'm just wondering if you found a suitable replacement.
I did.Quote:
Originally Posted by MGB
You have probably explained this before but why do you bring in Pyroclasm instead of having it as a wish target? I have always found myself being able to wish for it/massacre and win the game instead of hoping to draw it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Cook
Because if you have Massacre in your sideboard you don't need Pyroclasm there. It's redundant.Quote:
Originally Posted by movadomk5
I meant why do you bring it in instead of leaving it as a wish target. I'm guessing it has shown it better to open with it or draw it then try and wish for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Cook
(also I understand you have exchanged massacre for Pyroclasm due to it being better in the other non white match ups)
He was answering you properly. He listed changes according to his latest list, shown in the Xantid article, which includes both Pyroclasm and Massacre in the sideboard. If you board Pyroclasm in, you still have Massacre in the wish board, thus the redundancy. You're welcome. :smile:Quote:
Originally Posted by movadomk5
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Originally Posted by movadomk5
Oops I totally overlooked that. ThanksQuote:
Originally Posted by LDX
Maybe it's time to look over the big list of marginally playable storm cards to see if there's something that stands out as valuable against Miracles and Grixis/RUG Delver as an alternative to the sideboard Duress. Teferi's Realm beats a Counterbalance if you can somehow cast it and get it to resolve!
Because if you are casting burning wish and pyroclasm in the same turn then a couple things are likely to be true:Quote:
Originally Posted by movadomk5
1) You will be down on two cards and still probably taking the whole turn to do this..
2) You probably have taken a lot of damage.
3) Your Ad Nauseam has a really low success rate.
4) Your Empty the Warrens will be for like 4 goblins.
Basically casting your action spells defensively typically pretty bad. Their are situations where it is correct, but it's rarer than you probably think.
I think I'm settled on -3 Xantid Swarm +2 Carpet of Flowers +1 Thoughtseize for tomorrow.
I wouldnt play Carpet right now either.
• It's awful against Omnitell.
• The best tempo deck in the format (Grixis Delver) doesn't care about it due to Deathrite Shaman. (This is also supposed to be where Carpet is best)
• Against Miracles it doesn't do anything about the two cards we care for most - Sensei's Divining Top & Counterbalance.
Fair points. DRS is definitely a big factor that I hadn't considered. That fourth Duress just seems so lackluster, though.
It's not, especially against Omnitell. If I had room for 12 discard spells in that match-up, I'd run them all.
Let last night I came up with this sideboard (Bayou is in the MD over the 4th Bloodstained Mire):
3 Abrupt Decay
2 Chain of Vapor
2 Dread of Night
2 Thoughtseize
1 Void Snare
1 Pyroclasm
1 Past in Flames
1 Empty the Warrens
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Dark Petition
Two sweepers felt redundant, Dread is really good against D&T now due to Vryn Wingmare being another X/1. I wanted two Thoughtseize so I could swap them in for match-ups where Duress is bad. I like how this one looks much more.