Miracle Control

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Originally Posted by twndomn

Did the King James version of the Holy Bible for Miracles just got published or something?

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Confirmed. His words are even in red.

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Originally Posted by rickster

How would you sideboard against a miracles opponent with monastery mentor?

Lossett was talking on his stream last night how mentor is really strong in the mirror if people don't sideboard properly.

Would you leave in 1-2 copies of terminus in the dark if you had no idea if your opponent sided in mentor?

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I personally don't bother boarding 1-of's for their 1-of's, not unless it's useful in other situations. If they manage to resolve that card, I'd rather answer it with 2 or 3 angels anyhow, and I don't think the Ponder versions even leave in both Entreat. Entreat and EE seem like better ways to hedge.

I think Joe used to leave in creature removal in the mirrors, maybe that's why he would reference "sideboarding properly". Used to enjoy watching his replays until he started with the music and the entire thing got muted. I'm not sure what determines which portions get muted, but it's the worst I've ever seen on Twitch (read: please fix so I can resume watching :wink:).

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Originally Posted by Cipher

Confirmed. His words are even in red.


I personally don't bother boarding 1-of's for their 1-of's, not unless it's useful in other situations. If they manage to resolve that card, I'd rather answer it with 2 or 3 angels anyhow, and I don't think the Ponder versions even leave in both Entreat. Entreat and EE seem like better ways to hedge.

I think Joe used to leave in creature removal in the mirrors, maybe that's why he would reference "sideboarding properly". Used to enjoy watching his replays until he started with the music and the entire thing got muted. I'm not sure what determines which portions get muted, but it's the worst I've ever seen on Twitch (read: please fix so I can resume watching :wink:).

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Anything copyrighted gets muted on Twitch. That's why they recently introduced "whitelisted" music that will not be muted. It's also the reason why I switched from my 90's Rock/Pop playlist to some free online radio so my twitch and youtube videos won't get muted.

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Originally Posted by Julian23

Anything copyrighted gets muted on Twitch. That's why they recently introduced "whitelisted" music that will not be muted. It's also the reason why I switched from my 90's Rock/Pop playlist to some free online radio so my twitch and youtube videos won't get muted.

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Yeah, I noticed you have no muting on your video with Einherjer. Would a Spotify or Pandora stream be muted?

Don't forget to check out this podcast over on EverydayEternal, if you haven't already. :)

Greetings

EE seems like a terrible way to answer mentor.

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Originally Posted by Cipher

Confirmed. His words are even in red.


I personally don't bother boarding 1-of's for their 1-of's, not unless it's useful in other situations. If they manage to resolve that card, I'd rather answer it with 2 or 3 angels anyhow, and I don't think the Ponder versions even leave in both Entreat. Entreat and EE seem like better ways to hedge.

I think Joe used to leave in creature removal in the mirrors, maybe that's why he would reference "sideboarding properly". Used to enjoy watching his replays until he started with the music and the entire thing got muted. I'm not sure what determines which portions get muted, but it's the worst I've ever seen on Twitch (read: please fix so I can resume watching :wink:).

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Joe has been boarding out all plows and terminus in the mirror for as long as he has been streaming.

Mentor's just a 2/2, you can block and kill it or bounce and counter. The problem is the 1/1's it leaves behind, which explosives can trade with once the Mentor's gone.

Joe used to leave in 1 or 2 removal spells for his opponent's Snapcasters and Cliques. I remember him asking a long time ago if people didn't think it was greedy to board out all their Terminus and Swords.

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Originally Posted by rickster

EE seems like a terrible way to answer mentor.

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They're for his tokens.. with Academy Ruins it just shuts down all Miracle WC but Jace (for which we have 3x Vendilion Clique and 3 REBs + Snapmage)

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Originally Posted by Einherjer

Don't forget to check out this podcast over on EverydayEternal, if you haven't already. :)

Greetings

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It's you and Tomas! Bonus! I'll be listening on my drive home from work =P

In the matchups where I want DTT and RIP, I should err to DTT right? For example, ANT and RUG. Assume 4-Ponder list.

I guess the rationale behind this is something like DTT is just so powerful that it will find me answers that could equivalently take care of the cards RIP could.

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Originally Posted by Einherjer

Don't forget to check out this podcast over on EverydayEternal, if you haven't already. :)

Greetings

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fantastic work on this podcast! congratz!!

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Originally Posted by AnziD

In the matchups where I want DTT and RIP, I should err to DTT right? For example, ANT and RUG. Assume 4-Ponder list.

I guess the rationale behind this is something like DTT is just so powerful that it will find me answers that could equivalently take care of the cards RIP could.

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These represent some of the exact reasons Relic is probably better than RiP in current Dig builds IMO. I just don't think people have really revisited the RiPs in their lists since a lot of the changes.

So that decklist that won GP Kyoto that had 2x Wasteland (as well as the 2nd place list with 4x Mentor and 2x SFM and 3x Daze)...

Maybe it's a meta thing? I can't see either list doing too hot against a field of Delver and fast combo (here in the US).

Second place was UW Stoneblade with some Terminus. I have considered Wasteland before now, but always opted against it.

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Originally Posted by CutthroatCasual

So that decklist that won GP Kyoto that had 2x Wasteland (as well as the 2nd place list with 4x Mentor and 2x SFM and 3x Daze)...

Maybe it's a meta thing? I can't see either list doing too hot against a field of Delver and fast combo (here in the US).

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The champion is a veteran with 3 GP victories, the wastelands are meta choice. Omnitell is very popular in Japan. Wasting sol land or dual(for R or B splash in sideboard) is sweet.

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Originally Posted by CutthroatCasual

So that decklist that won GP Kyoto that had 2x Wasteland (as well as the 2nd place list with 4x Mentor and 2x SFM and 3x Daze)...

Maybe it's a meta thing? I can't see either list doing too hot against a field of Delver and fast combo (here in the US).

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maybe because of the boseiju played in omnitel

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Originally Posted by Tokugawa

The champion is a veteran with 3 GP victories, the wastelands are meta choice. Omnitell is very popular in Japan. Wasting sol land or dual(for R or B splash in sideboard) is sweet.

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the wasteland target is boseiju! its clearly a meta call, but with double karakas, double wasteland and 4 counterbalance 2 counterspell...its a super gridy mana base

Congrats to Yuuta Takahashi with his Ponder-Omni-tell-hated Miracles.

You can read his decklist here: http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/c...sts-2015-04-19

Sure, Wasteland and MD Clique could be for Omni-tell meta hate. The 3 Ponders though, that's what we (or at least I) have been saying: You can run Ponders in Legend build. The 3 StP + 1 Blast, that could also be attributed to Omni-tell, but..., in an almost 2,000 players tournament, kinda make sense.

This list feels like the best of both worlds (Legend and Ponder builds) to me.

If Omni-tell becomes dominant in the U.S., Legend Miracles will become more and more attractive. Actually SCG Providence has 5 Omni-tell in the Top 16, it's happening!

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Originally Posted by GoblinZ

maybe because of the boseiju played in omnitel

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You are right, I forgot it. MD 1 Boseiju is mentioned as "Japanese style" in some older treads on Source.

Hey guys, I just bought into Miracles! I'm starting off with 4 Ponder- 3 Dig Through Time version to get my feet wet. I have some idea of how to play the deck from watching a bunch of legacy and Joe's stream, but I'm sure that I will get plenty of draws during my first few tournament. Any advice on how to tighten up play to keep from getting draws? Decisions that are more important than others? Simple stuff that new miracles players tank on for too long? Etc.

Also, here's my starting list for your critique:
4 Flooded Strand
4 Scalding Tarn
2 Arid Mesa
3 Tundra
3 Volcanic Island
4 Island
2 Plains
4 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Counterbalance
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
3 Dig Through Time
2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
4 Force of Will
2 Counterspell
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Terminus
1 Council's Judgment
2 Entreat the Angels

Board
2 Meddling Mage
1 Containment Priest
2 Relic of Progenitus
2 Blood Moon
1 Flusterstorm
1 Vendillion Clique
2 Pyroblast
1 Red Elemental Blast
1 Pyroclasm
1 Pithing Needle
1 Wear/Tear

Anyways, I appreciate your help!

i'd suggest listening to these two podcasts, especially the first one:

http://everydayeternalpodcast.com/ep...7-miracle-men/

http://www.thebrainstormshow.com/unc...-004-miracles/

as for suggestions about avoiding draws, you'll hear phillip et al talk about how long it should take you to resolve activating SDT, and you'll notice that it takes them only a second or two. this is what you really need to work on, decreasing your top activations from 30 seconds down to 5 seconds. this isn't a hard and fast rule, but the quicker you get with top, the less often you will find yourself in turns. the first step for me was spending the duration of my opponent's turn thinking about what i actually wanted to find if i was looking at a fresh top three cards. specifically, what would i want to draw, and what would i want on top of my deck after my draw step (especially if i have a counterbalance in play). as you spend more time with the deck, this will become a lot more instinctive.

edit: also, i'd suggest finding room for another vendilion clique in your list. i'd certainly want the second clique before i had any meddling mages in my sideboard.