Finished 4(3)-1 in today's tournament, losing to Belcher (guess what, I was no man and didn't open with or topdeck FoW). One guy conceded to me, so it its more 3-1 + bye than 4-1. Won vs Ichorid, MonoU control, Team America.
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Finished 4(3)-1 in today's tournament, losing to Belcher (guess what, I was no man and didn't open with or topdeck FoW). One guy conceded to me, so it its more 3-1 + bye than 4-1. Won vs Ichorid, MonoU control, Team America.
There is now a video that I have commented on under Matt's account. I ran into some rather confusing technical details in that for some reason my movie would not publish the way I wanted it to. He had to do all the publishing and splicing, so hopefully the sync is correct. On a quick inspection, it appears to be correct, but please be forgiving if it's slightly off.
The video captures an important strategy that's responsible for about half the games I win against stax and enchantress, which amounts to being responsible for about 1/3 of the games total.
The astute listener will notice that I have not played perfectly. In particular, in a few instances, I do not attack in a way so as to optimize the damage I deal through a number of ghostly prisons. I believe that was the only mistake I made, but you're free to educate me if you find others.
The important thing is this: I play against stax and enchantress to lock them out. If I win by aggro (half the time) then that's just icing on the cake: an easy win.
But a lot of the time you have to resort to the underhanded tactic of wastelanding them 6 times. You almost never have a reason to counter ghostly prison or magus of the tabernacle. If they play these things, you abandon any aggro plans you had (which you shouldn't have been committed to) in favor of the plan shown in my game. The best part is, you're almost certainly win, and if your opponent forces you to play it out, then he probably won't have time to win g2. (But then you may even have time to win g2.)
If you win g1 this way, the worst case is a draw, and the better case of winning the match is overwhelmingly more likely.
Games 2-3 get decided worse for the enchantress/stax player. Against both, you get aura of silence, and against enchantress you also get ethersworn canonist. Depending on what you see g1, you might also get some combination of relics/ETs against either deck.
First I wanna say, thanks to both Forbiddian and pi4meterftw for making this deck and posting the videos. I've learned a great deal about the deck's intricacies and I plan on picking it up at some point.
However... this video vs Stax was blurrier than the rest, and harder to follow as the cards don't have the actual pictures on them. I'd have been fairly confused if I hadn't watched all the other videos, and was familiar with the cards. Actually, the second time I watched it was a little less blurry than the first, dunno why. It was still serviceable enough to illustrate the particular strategy point.
It does take a while to get the images because there isn't a global torrent or anything and you have to manually unpack all of the sets (and many are named incorrectly). But yeah, I'm trying to get Jeff to use the quality settings that I do, but there's some display issue that he's having. Hopefully when/if he makes more of these then we'll work out a better system that can upload to youtube more easily.Quote:
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It does take a while to get the software/download all the card images/figure out how to use all the audio-visual software/perfect the quality settings/find a good game/commentate/compile, etc. so in Jeff's defense, it took a lot just to get the videos to be watchable, since he didn't have previous experience making movies.
But yeah, thanks for watching, the game was epic as hell.
Yeah.. I'm the stax player from that game. Couldn't draw a basic to save my life...
@jeff lin, did u used to play at a card shop in pleasanton, ca (norcal)?
Yup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fouzt
small world. I ran at "Sports cards and chocolate" every week for like 4 years
Yes, what is your name? Maybe we played some games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fouzt
It's Lamar g OwenQuote:
Originally Posted by pi4meterftw
Eric Drach. I was older when u were there, and ran with jim garratano, mike henson, and michael potter.Quote:
Yes, what is your name? Maybe we played some games.
Funny that when i started back up in mtg and decided to pick up legacy again, I chose YOUR deck out of all the ones to run.
Awesome deck though bro
How and what would you guys probably board in and out versus Trisomy 21 (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...ead.php?15846-[Primer]-Trisomy-21-Bgw-Loam-Control)?
Hi.
I played UW Tempo yesterday in a tourney. 43 people if I remember correctly.
Round 1: ANT (2-1) 1-0
Round 2: Zoo (1-1) 1-0-1
Round 3: Merfolk (2-0) 2-0-1
Round 4: Reanimator (ID with a team mate so that we could both still make it to the top 8) 2-0-2
Round 5: Merfolk (2-1) 3-0-2
Round 6: Zoo (2-1) 4-0-2
Third place after swiss rounds
Quarters: Zoo (2-1)
Semifinals: Belcher (2-0)
Finals: Reanimator (2-1) (not my team mate, would have splitted)
NoGoyf wins 4 Tarmogoyf :)
I tested few new things out of the sideboard.
Creature [21]
4 Fathom Seer
3 Jötun Grunt
4 Mother of Runes
4 Serra Avenger
2 Stoneforge Mystic
4 Weathered Wayfarer
Instant [17]
4 Brainstorm
3 Daze
4 Force of Will
2 Spell Pierce
4 Swords to Plowshares
Artifact [5]
3 AEther Vial
2 Umezawa’s Jitte
Land [17]
4 Flooded Strand
1 Island
2 Plains
4 Tundra
3 Wasteland
3 Windswept Heath
Sideboard [15]
1 Aura Flux
1 Aura of Silence
3 Enlightened Tutor
1 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Ghostly Prison
3 Path to Exile
1 Relic of Progenitus
1 Spell Pierce
1 Thorn of Amethyst
1 Tormod’s Crypt
1 Wheel of Sun and Moon
I probably wont be writing any detailed match descriptions. First 3 games were kind of dump. ANT and merfolk lost to them selves and the tie against zoo was clear about 15 minutes before time but I guess he didn’t want to scoop and try to win the third game. Rest of the games were incredibly tight but I really enjoyed… Sad that the deck will no longer be of any surprise around here (Finland). There was also another guy playing UW Tempo but he didn’t do so well.(EDIT. actually he was 12th so not bad at all overall).
mutsit on nutsit!
How were the Path to Exiles in the sideboard?
great actually. I was expecting lots of merfolk so I wanted more removal. Not that bad against Zoo either. Perimeter Captain would have been better against Zoo, but I wasn't really expecting that much of it, glad it didn't matter.Quote:
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Yeah! Nice job.Quote:
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I just had a guy path to exile me to break my mana screw and subsequently lose though. I think condemn is better, and Perimeter Captain is better than both.
Just returning from a tournament of 12 right now, finishing third (2 wins, 2 draws). I won versus Mono Black Aggro (2-1) and Dredge (2-0 man, that was one hell of a beating!) and two times Trisomy 21 (1-1, where I'd probably have won the first match with just one more turn).
I boarded -4 Swords to Plowshares, -2 Mother of Runes, +1 Relic of Progenitus, +1 Tormod's Crypt, +1 Wheel of Sun and Moon, +1 Jotun Grunt, +2 Enlightened Tutor versus Trisomy 21, what do you think, is that the optimal choice?
Went 3-2 today, winning against 2xReanimator, Enchantress, losing to Ichorid (crappy six, probably should have mulled to 5 game3) and CounterTop (awful chain of topdecks after initial stage).
Thanks. Small world indeed. I thought I recognized the "Whiteboycrew" handle when I saw it under Matt's viewers, but I had thought of it as a coincidence.Quote:
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Nice job to the people better than me at this deck :-(. I suck at this game.
Tournament report, before I forget.
Overall 4-2-1, 5th place (won 4 Wastelands) out of 50-60 at Knightware Tournament. The max was supposed to be 52, but I heard there were 54 or 56. Somewhere between 50 and 60 people.
Round 1 Ben (Vacrix) on SI Pact:
I rode up with him in the car and we got In-n-Out. He's a noob, told me all the deck's secrets in the car ride over. He explained that Force of Will, Daze, and Spell Pierce were good cards. I outninja him with the dice to go first, then outninja him with the cuts. I cut him a mulligan and he cuts me a hand with four counterspells game 1. I also get Vial down very early and get Jitte online and kill him on like turn 5 or 6.
Game 2 I ninja ship him another mulligan. I keep a bad hand with force but no second blue and no sideboard cards. I know that after a mulligan he's unlikely to turn 1 me (especially if I choose to keep), and then I'll probably have time to get Force active. My hand also looks fast as hell. Funny enough if he'd kept his 7, I would have shipped my hand for sure, but a game up, watching him mulligan, I thought one of the best ways he had to win was for me to mulligan to oblivion. SI pact is much better at surviving one Force of Will than Belcher is.
Anyway, his turn 1 play is ESG --> Xantid Swarm and I have the Swords. I then establish a very fast clock. His turn 3 or 4 play is Petal, Petal, Xantid Swarm. After six minutes in the think tank, I Force it with Daze, keeping another Daze. He goes for it next turn, counters my Daze with ESG, but is one mana short of the gas that he needs.
1-0. Don't feel bad for Ben, though, he made top 8 anyway.
While this round is going on, this ridiculous thing happens. The person to the right of me is playing Merfolk vs. Painter's Grind. The Painter player has Painter in play and then casts Grindstone. Scary. The Merfolk player has the Force of Will. In response, the Painter player casts CHAIN OF VAPOR to return the Grindstone to his hand (I hear the guy declare Chain of Vapor, returning the Grindstone, but it doesn't register in my brain what's going on as I'm busy with my game at the time).
The Merfolk player goes, "Yeah, sure." Takes his turn. Passes back. Then goes: OOPS! JUDGE!
In the meantime, Ben and I finished game 1, so we sit back and watch this fiasco. Jack (the judge) makes the correct ruling: "Tough Beans, warnings all around" and the painter player immediately recasts the Grindstone and obliterates Merfolk's library. Good fucking game.
Round 2: Some guy on Tempo Thresh. Adam, I think.
Game 1 I get wayfarer down which gets all 3 wastes, gg. On turn 5, I had 7 cards in hand and he had 1. This game he thinks it's totally cool when I fetchland, in response Wayfarer.
Game 2 he draws a pretty nutty hand and I draw a pretty slow hand without any turn 1 drops, but with enough land to play around his hate. Unfortunately, he comes up with a lot of stifles/wastes and he timewalks me over and over. So much for UW Tempo being a good deck at 1cc. He gets Kgrip for Jitte, double Trygon Predator, double Goyf, and other stuff.
Game 3 almost goes to time. Also, the guy is not so ok with me using Wasteland, then responding by activating Wayfarer in this game. Zzz. Call a judge, who helps me explain that I can do this, and that there's no intervening "if" clause on Weathered Wayfarer, so even if he cracks a fetchland, I still get to dig a land. I basically outplay him with Wayfarer, but in the meantime he beats me pretty low on life. I lose track of time, but I get the feeling there's not much time left in the round as a huge crowd gathers. I'm playing for a win from like 10 life vs. his 20 until time is called on my turn. I have Mom, Mom, Wayfarer, so it should be a draw, right? He goes: EE at 1. That's gonna hurt. I spell pierce it and he pays for it.
He has 1 card in the bin, EE@1 Grim Lavamancer, Nimble Mongoose, Goyf (4/5), and 3 land.
I have 3 land, Mom x2, Wayfarer, 3 land, and FIVE life.
On turn 2 of extra turns, I think, play Morph, pass.
He plays. I give Morph pro green in response. He lavamancers it in response. I tap the other mom to give it pro red. He's forced to pass the turn where I untap, float mana, and clog the board with random 1/1s, draw game. Whew. I can't believe that happened.
1-0-1
Round 3: Some cool guy on Pro Bant, Nan
I don't remember this so much. Game 1 he fetches three basics, but can't cast anything as I run around drawing infinite cards and wastelanding him whenever he peeks his head out behind his Forest, Island, Plains.
Game 2 He plays Natural Order around Daze. I have the Spell Pierce. In response, he looks to his Top, and luckily finds the Force of Will as the BOTTOM card. He forces my Spell Pierce. But I have the Daze.
2-0-1
Round 4: The Painter Guy With the Cheaty Face. After playing him, I honestly believe that he wasn't a cheaty face, but it's still pretty hilarious. He's actually a pretty nice guy, but not so good with Magic rulings.
Game 1 I get a fast Jitte while he dicks around trying to assemble his silly combo. He is very careful to play everything around Daze and give me plenty of time to build up 6 counters on my Umezawa's Jitte before trying to go off. He grindstones and in response I shoot his Painter three times with the Jitte. The guy asks me if it's an activated ability. I'm sortof confused, like: Yeah... do you not know what an activated ability is? He goes: "In response, I use Chain of Vapor to return Painter to my hand."
I call a Judge. He helps me explain how the shortcuts work and how he has to choose which Jitte activation he's responding to. I use one extra counter and bin his Painter's Servant, then a few turns later, bin him.
Game 2 I shuffle my sideboard into my library, then sideboard out 15 cards (I'm actually boarding in five cards: three aura, grunt, and Wheel of Sun and Moon). The guy asks me if I sideboarded out 15 cards ("... yes?"). I get a wayfarer out and wasteland the hell out of him, then cast Aura of Silence when he's stuck on like 3-4 land. He works a painter in and goes to grind me, but I have Swords in response (or use the Aura). I get a Jitte out, blow his team out (he makes some incorrect blocks as well that I noticed).
After the game, the judge asks who won, and the Grindstone player says, "He won. He boarded in fifteen cards against me! He was really prepared for this matchup!" At that point, I explain to the guy that I just shuffled my sideboard into my library so he wouldn't know for sure how many cards I was boarding in. Although I actually think the guy just mentally resigned himself to losing as soon as he saw me put in 15 cards. I guess when you don't know the rules, you also don't know the tricks.
The guy ends up 2-3-1 after 2-0 start.
But no matter, I'm 3-0-1, with double bubble shot at Top 8 and the best breakers of any 10 pointer.
First crack: Matt something (I find out later he's a professional with some pro points) on Pro Bant.
He wins the roll, I keep a good hand but no turn 1 Wayfarer. His hand is turn 1 Noble Hierarch, turn 2 Counterbalance around Daze, turn 3 Counterbalance Top lock. Good times. I guess correctly around how he played the Counterbalance, but the guy also has Natural Order played around Daze with Force backup. Nice.
Game 2 I don't really remember as much. I boarded in two Auras for Knight and Mom, but I don't see either, so w/e. I have a one land hand with some nice two drops, grunt, stoneforge mystic, swords, brainstorm, spell pierce, Fathom Seer, something like that.
I don't draw another land for a while and he doesn't play ANYTHING. Two turns without seeing a land and I have to pitch a card. I pitch Grunt (probably a mistake, should have pitched the Seer).
My opponent then unloads three Goyfs and a Trygon Predator. I swords the predator and Daze a Goyf, but I don't get more lands I need to play out my dudes.
Second Crack vs. Dragonstompy. Poor guy is paired down, he's 4-1 just needed a draw to make it in. I think his name was Christopher.
Game 1 he wins the roll, plays mountain mountain mountain (trying to pretend to be something other than Dragon Stompy). I wasn't sure what he was playing, but I fetch basics anyway. His hate spells are Blood Moon and Magus of the Moon. Sucks to be him, and we're off to game 2.
Game 2 he opens turn 1 Chal 1. I force. He then starts casting dudes. He casts a Rakdos. I cast a Mom. He casts Seething Song into Trinisphere to get Hellbent and float 2. I force the 3 sphere (only 2 lands at the time). He pumps Rakdos to 5/3 double strike and I have I think 14 life. He has 2 more to make it flying, but then it doesn't threaten lethal, so he just swings ground bound (correct call).
I have to chump with the Mom. Next turn I have to chump with Serra Avenger. Next turn I rip Swords to Plowshares, the only card that could save me (other than Brainstorm into a combination of cards) and cast Burreton Forge-Tender as well. We both start drawing into nothing for a very long time. A VERY long time. BFT beats him like 10 times. He ends up hardcast Akroma under Blood Moon for the game.
Game 3, everything on the line. Winner gets 100+ dollars, loser gets nothing. My hand's not terrible, I open with a basic Plains into a Vial. He plays Mox, Ancient Tomb... Morph. I waste his Ancient Tomb and he plays another Ancient Tomb and another Morph.
He swings with a Morph and I get the oracle text on Gathan Raiders and Akroma, Angel of Fury. Phil (the head judge) knows it off the top of his head. That guy is impressive as fuck. I vial in Jotun Grunt and block his Morph. It was Gathan Raiders. Not bad to trade down against Dragon Stompy. He makes a Blood Moon and another Morph, leaving me with Plains and two Mountains. I get a Jitte out but Grunt dies before I can equip it, so I vial in Fathom Seer at end of turn and equip that.
So I have Fathom Seer with Jitte against two morphs and two cards in hand. I assume that they're probably both Gathan Raiders and pass the turn. My opponent has Seething Song and flips over Akroma. Ouch. I take 6. In case you’re not Phil-knows-everything-about-Magic, here’s what it is (no, it doesn't look good for team UW Tempo):
http://www.magickingdom.it/public/ca...ages/pc/94.jpg
I use Swords to Plowshares to blast his other Morph and be able to swing clean to get some counters and keep my Seer. He pitches a card to gain 3 extra life (by morphing/hellbenting his Gathan Raiders). Maybe sloppy, he was already at 16 or 17, it’d be easier to kill Akroma than to kill him as is. I think it’s just a land or something, and he's already got his Akroma.
He swings me for 9, I go to 4 or something really low. I cast the Burrenton Forge-Tender in my hand, swing to get two more counters on the Jitte (4 counters), and transfer the Jitte to the BFT.
If he doesn’t swing me, then I just swing him with BFT (unblockable) and he loses. He swings with Akroma and BFT keeps me alive with a noble sacrifice. A swing with Fathom Seer gets me 6 counters and I blow his Akroma up and then play out some other dudes. Jitte walks the rest of the way through Arcslogger and one or two other guys that are just speedbumps.
4-1-1, that's good enough!
Top 8 vs. Eva Green: I win 1, then punt 2 (and a turn 1 Chalice @ 1 counters, literally 7 spells in my hand), then game 3 lose to Negator when I don't see any creatures.
Wrapup
Incidentally, the two people I lost to got first and second. Also of historical significance to me, in my first ever Legacy tournament, I went 4-0 beating two Goblins players on the back of Phyrexian Negator. Including game 2 of the finals, I ritualed a Negator, and the guy has Mogg Fanatic. I play a second land and hymn him (or something), and swing with Negator, losing both swamps and keeping Negator, and it goes the distance. Lucky as shit, but back then I was like 14 and I walked on water. I gotta hand it to the guy, he had guts, swinging into Vial @ 1 and Vial @ 2 consistently, hoping I didn't have the guys to Armageddon him and I didn't.
Negator and friends get "lucky" more often than you'd think. I wouldn't recommend it, but I wouldn't laugh at it either (unless you're playing red, of course).
The other UW Tempo player at the event won his Top 8 match, losing in the semi finals to the eventual winner. He seemed pretty good, I didn't have too much of a chance to talk to him, but I hope he'll write a tournament report or something. I don't think he got a pimpest play by popping an Akroma or countering a Force of Will with a Chain of Vapor, but he did better than I did and ended up with some Underground Seas.
Incidentally, while I was busy pwning a damn 6/6 protection from UW Tempo with flying and trample and firebreathing, Charlie was busy scooping a 14 year old Edward Cullen fanboi into the top 8, because he thought it'd be "Totally awesome to see a fellow Twilight Fan win the whole thing." Either that or he lost to the Vampires player in a bubble match. Not sure which is funnier.
Props and Slops:
Props
Props to Sean for driving SD LEGACY to the tournament, and for trying valiantly to dig Tempo Threshold out of the loser's bracket.
Props to SD LEGACY (12-9-3 overall, half of us made top 8 and we made a profit on the weekend).
Props to the guy who recognized my voice from my Youtube videos and after some prompting said he thought I was a 12-year old kid cause is so high pitched (I swear, I sound better than Keith Olbermann in my head).
Props to that Vampires player for making the top 8.
Slops
Slops to EVERYONE WHO PLAYED THAT VAMPIRES PLAYER. "Seriously, you guys? That shit isn't even good in Type 2." -- That was Sean's joke, but it bears repeating.
Slops to some fucking bum who took two bucks from me. Long story.