[Deck] ANT (Ad Nauseam Tendrils) Storm Combo

I still have 3 copies of Swarm in my sideboard
But i don't even board them against miracle because postboard they attack from 2 different angles:
Countermagic and permanents (balance,rip,anonist,meddling mage,vendillion clique)
So swarm doesn't seem to be a powerhouse.
i mean it's still solid but not awesome, i hope you get what i mean :D
Swarm improves our worst matchup: reanimator,thats the only reason for running them.finnaly you can also board them in against stupid delver players who board out their entire removal.

Martin, i already increased the number of Young Pyromancer to 4.
Having 2 of them on board is crazy especially against delver decks.
(And very funny/entertaining by the way ;D )


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Originally Posted by sawatarix

I still have 3 copies of Swarm in my sideboard
But i don't even board them against miracle because postboard they attack from 2 different angles:
Countermagic and permanents (balance,rip,anonist,meddling mage,vendillion clique)
So swarm doesn't seem to be a powerhouse.
i mean it's still solid but not awesome, i hope you get what i mean :D
Swarm improves our worst matchup: reanimator,thats the only reason for running them.finnaly you can also board them in against stupid delver players who board out their entire removal.

Martin, i already increased the number of Young Pyromancer to 4.
Having 2 of them on board is crazy especially against delver decks.
(And very funny/entertaining by the way ;D )


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Hey Kai :smile:

Yeah, I worry a little about getting too focused on the upsides of YPM but I really want to try out 4, as they stack beautifully. The one game I had where I got to use them (was in a game for fun against my friend playing the aggro loam list that won the BoM) I got 2 Pyromancers into play. I then proceeded to alpha strike him to death after a four or five turns with like 11 or 12 tokens. His board was (and I'm not kidding): Gaddock Teeg, 2x Canonist, Revoker naming LED, Dark Confidant, Chalice@1, Chalice@0, Leyline of the Void (the last 3 cards he managed to play after bouncing his Teeg with Karakas and replaying it). In the end he had taken a lot of dmg from Dark Confidant. I had Abrupt Decayed a Knight of the Reliquary but that was it. Man that felt busted, and like a completely different game than what Storm normally has to play for.

Regarding swarms in the Reanimator matchup. That matchup is miserable and the swarms really don't help very much most of the time imo. You pretty much need to have it in your opening hand, be able to play it, untap and attack and then preferably win on the spot, all of this without them comboing off before. I think getting a hand heavy on discard is often our best shot. Also, reanimator isn't that big a player in the format (you can tell, I'm trying to talk myself into cutting the swarms :wink:).

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Originally Posted by nevilshute

I agree that show and tell decks are the primary reason to run Xantid Swarms... that being said, if I were running swarms anyway, I would bring them in against Miracles. They still help in that matchup. Them having access to a little removal does not mean you shouldn't bring in swarms. After all we are bringing in YPMs against Miracles.

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Xantid Swarm does nothing against Miracles. Don't board this dude. Reason? Here it is:
(not mentioning the vulnerability to removal spells)

- postboard route is to overwhelm the opponent with business spells, this is where a 2nd Ad Nauseam shines, where Young Pyroman shines and where Burning Wish shines (maybe the only MU where Burning Wish is really useful because of : Wish for Tendrils) So, to state again how to board and how to win against Miracles, it is important to create cardadvantage via multiple win options such as YP+TendrilsKill+Empty+AdNauseam etc. (not meaning that you should play every kill option in the deck, EtW being the weakest) Xantid Swarm, which is blank to CB, is a card that does not contribute to these routes. Miracles also does not play enough Counterspells that are of great relevance to ANT (be aware of a floating Flusterstorm via SDT), thus Xantid Swarm feels like a green Ornithopter.

This of course is my subjective point of view but I have not been losing to Miracles for a long time with this approach. Also, I think that 3 is still the correct number alongside 2 or 3 YP. If you have problems with the limitation of the slots (everyone has), I would recommend cutting one Abrupt Decay and going down to 2, if your meta does not contain MUD/Chalice-shenanigans.decs.
Since we also have YP to board against Miracles.

Against Reanimator: Xantid Swarm is worse than everything ANT can cut in favour of the insect. Discard is better and we want all canttrips and fast mana. I would recommend running 2x Flusterstorm against this one and dumping the Swamp +1x.

/Edit: people were posting faster...
//Edit: some random guy wants me to write: "Agree with Stormgod Sawatirax". Done.

I totally forgot flusterstorm !
Hell yes,put them in !



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Originally Posted by CabalTherapy

Xantid Swarm does nothing against Miracles. Don't board this dude. Reason? Here it is:
(not mentioning the vulnerability to removal spells)

- postboard route is to overwhelm the opponent with business spells, this is where a 2nd Ad Nauseam shines, where Young Pyroman shines and where Burning Wish shines (maybe the only MU where Burning Wish is really useful because of : Wish for Tendrils) So, to state again how to board and how to win against Miracles, it is important to create cardadvantage via multiple win options such as YP+TendrilsKill+Empty+AdNauseam etc. (not meaning that you should play every kill option in the deck, EtW being the weakest) Xantid Swarm, which is blank to CB, is a card that does not contribute to these routes. Miracles also does not play enough Counterspells that are of great relevance to ANT (be aware of a floating Flusterstorm via SDT), thus Xantid Swarm feels like a green Ornithopter.

This of course is my subjective point of view but I have not been losing to Miracles for a long time with this approach. Also, I think that 3 is still the correct number alongside 2 or 3 YP. If you have problems with the limitation of the slots (everyone has), I would recommend cutting one Abrupt Decay and going down to 2, if your meta does not contain MUD/Chalice-shenanigans.decs.
Since we also have YP to board against Miracles.

/Edit: people were posting faster...

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I think your comment on Abrupt Decay is really interesting. The way I see it, it mainly has a role to play against Miracles. But since adopting the "business heavy" (which I definitely agree with) approach where the end goal is to play one or several natural storm spells then it does become less pressing to get rid of it. It's an interesting thought but I don't think I'd want to cut them now. In practice I always feel like if Miracles land an early counterbalance after sideboard then it necessitates an Abrupt Decay. We need to be able to do more (maybe not much) than play lands for the first 5 turns. If they go turn one top, turn two counterbalance and I don't have abrupt decay in my deck at all then it's going to be pretty hard from here on as all my catrips and probably my Young pyromancers no longer work.

I think it's interesting that you mention Burning Wish as a strong card and Empty the Warrens as weak(est). I personally find that any card with the word "storm" on it to be extremely potent against miracles. The reason for this is also the reason that tutors (abd burning wish) are less valuable: they can be countered, storm cards can't. Unless they are trying to next-level you they won't be keeping Terminus in. They will bring in 1-2 Engineered Explosives if they suspect Empty. That isn't very many outs. This, combined with the fact that Empty is much better when facing a flusterstorm (especially one that's floating on top of their library) means that Empty is quite decent imo. It is also why I prefer Empty to Ad Nauseam actually. You can be bottlenecked by them having a counterheavy hand with Ad Nauseam in your hand and it might never be possible to cast it.

And not to keep muddling around the Xantid Swarms but - and I have previously agreed that they do not exist in the sideboard because of Miracles - they can matter against Miracles and sometimes they can be crucial... If I were a Miracles player here is what would be my line of thought is if my Storm opponent plays a turn 1 Xantid Swarm: "shit... they have 3 Abrupt Decays which means if I let this resolve then I am dead in the water if they have one, even if I get a Counterbalance". I know good Miracles players and the creature they fear the most is the insect. You might say that's their mistake and I'd be inclined to agree, but it's just to juxtapose that it is not an irrelevant card and I will repeat, if I HAD swarms in my board then I would bring in some number of them against miracles. Along side my extra tendrils and Young pyromancers. If it draws out a Swords to Plowshares then that's one plow less for your YPMs. If it draws out a Force then it's done its job.

Edit: Regarding Flusterstorms/Surgical Extractions (two spells I tend to group together) I've gone away from playing them altogether. Having 2 cards to hedge against a really terrible matchup (reanimator) is not going to improve that matchup enough to matter imo. The splash benefits are that it improves the mirror, but I don't think we should be playing defensively with Flusterstorms in the mirror match. They are also at their potential weakest here because there is very little chance of players in a storm mirror match not seeing the other player's hand meaning the element of surprise is gone.

If there is so much reanimator in your meta that you need to sideboard for them then I think you need more than 2 slots. Probably 3-4 (2 surgicals, 2 karakas for instance), but if that is the case, then maybe it's time to give storm a break :smile:

Im right now playing a stock list with 1sdt, 2 preordian, 1 AD, 1 PIF.

My sideboard right now is:
2 carpet
2 dread of night
2 tendrills
3 xantid
3 decay
1 burning wish
2 chain of vapor

Won last week event playing vs:
R1: goblins 2-0

R2: mono White stax 2-1 g2 I lost having ton of mana, tutor, xantid for his chant, led and life. but he also having tormods and Rip to my tendrrils in hand so I had to crack led to kill him but never drew a braisntorm and a hardcasted Batterskull killed me on turn infinite)

R3: pox, 2-0 thinking it would be a hard matchup It was really easy. G1 pif and g2 duress his trinisphere and win.

R4: Uwr delver 2-0 no hatebears so gg, G2 he has volcanic delver pierce ponder bolt and SFM. I gitaxian from a core hand and Brainstorm then to fin like nuts and win from natural tendrills.

R5: Merfolks 2-0 G1 duress his fow and PIF him away. G2 a therapy of fow and a dazeproof xantid turn 2 was enought.


In the side I played the burning for the hymn + thoughseize + DRS + Surgical marchtup. Happens to many times I draw the TOA and can not hide it. So just having a plan B is like Putting a second sugicalproff tendrills in without the downsid of 4cmc. Its also a card that gets easily seized away so I dont care.

Im still testing but I think is a good idea. I dont know if only for that it woth but I can side for the preordain I side out. Or the therapy or duress I also sometimes side out. Also vs miracles where I side out PIF it can be sometimes cool to have it.

NOW MY QUESTION:
For playing the Burning I cutted the 3rd Dread of night. Not a lot ppl play Taxes in my meta. Im thinkin on chaning it for 2 massacre. I usualy dont side out The nauseam vs taxes. Is to much playing 4 4cc cards for the nauseam? I havent tested it but would like some ideas of pll who have played it.


Thanks

R5:

I played the mirror last night at the LGS (my opponent and I both knew what the other was on).

I won the roll, then looked at my opener -> brainstorm, ponder, lotus petal, lion's eye diamond, dark ritual, dark ritual, infernal tutor. Draws like that make me happy. :)

(I ended up 3-1-1 and in second after losing the final match 2-1, which I think is my best run with the deck so far)

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Originally Posted by Togores

Im right now playing a stock list with 1sdt, 2 preordian, 1 AD, 1 PIF.

My sideboard right now is:
2 carpet
2 dread of night
2 tendrills
3 xantid
3 decay
1 burning wish
2 chain of vapor

Won last week event playing vs:
R1: goblins 2-0

R2: mono White stax 2-1 g2 I lost having ton of mana, tutor, xantid for his chant, led and life. but he also having tormods and Rip to my tendrrils in hand so I had to crack led to kill him but never drew a braisntorm and a hardcasted Batterskull killed me on turn infinite)

R3: pox, 2-0 thinking it would be a hard matchup It was really easy. G1 pif and g2 duress his trinisphere and win.

R4: Uwr delver 2-0 no hatebears so gg, G2 he has volcanic delver pierce ponder bolt and SFM. I gitaxian from a core hand and Brainstorm then to fin like nuts and win from natural tendrills.

R5: Merfolks 2-0 G1 duress his fow and PIF him away. G2 a therapy of fow and a dazeproof xantid turn 2 was enought.


In the side I played the burning for the hymn + thoughseize + DRS + Surgical marchtup. Happens to many times I draw the TOA and can not hide it. So just having a plan B is like Putting a second sugicalproff tendrills in without the downsid of 4cmc. Its also a card that gets easily seized away so I dont care.

Im still testing but I think is a good idea. I dont know if only for that it woth but I can side for the preordain I side out. Or the therapy or duress I also sometimes side out. Also vs miracles where I side out PIF it can be sometimes cool to have it.

NOW MY QUESTION:
For playing the Burning I cutted the 3rd Dread of night. Not a lot ppl play Taxes in my meta. Im thinkin on chaning it for 2 massacre. I usualy dont side out The nauseam vs taxes. Is to much playing 4 4cc cards for the nauseam? I havent tested it but would like some ideas of pll who have played it.


Thanks

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Congrats on the results. I currently am playing 1 burning wish in the main and haven't looked back yet. In testing it has proven worthy against meddling mage/hate bear/discard decks for the flexibility. But to answer your question, I don't side out the ad nauseam either normally when bringing in my 2 massacres. Typically I either have a massacre in hand to clear the way before I go off after the first few turns of cantripping, or if the ad nauseam is used quickly (i.e. turn 1 or 2), I have enough storm/life to just use the flipped massacres to continue building storm count and it hasn't been an issue. That is just my experience so far, but the only way to find out if it works for you is to try it out.

Thanks for response (:

I started testing the wish main deck. Playing the same side but just cutting carpets or dread of night. And having a side like this:
2 tendrills
3 decay
3 xantid
1 thoughtseize
1 empty
1 massacre
2 chain of vapor
2 carpet/ dread of night or 1x dread of sorrow, eye to nowhere, meltdown or deathmark.

This seemed fine changing 2 misty rainforest for scalding and the third misty for badlands.


At the end I just realiced that empty is just bad. And that i usualy never wanna the wish due to be slow and I only wanted it vs drs + thoughseize decks.

I've been following he development of the Young Pyromancer SB tech since Sawatarix really started pushing it. It seems like great idea and I have taken out my 4 Bob's for them for SCG Providence. My question is how good are they against BUG decks? I had the Bobs in there for the recent rise of Team America and Shardless in the the past year. They typically take out 2-4 Abrupt Decays to bring in cards like 2-3 spell pierces, 1-2 fluster storms, 1-3 discard spells, and a SB Vendilion Clique. Since So much has to be taken out some number if not all Abrupt Decays get sided out. Is bringing in YP an effect strategy to feed as a chump blocker and Cabal Therapy Flashback engine?

Hello!

Yesterday I played the monthly legacy league with ANT and WON :D. After making a x-0 friday with TEs I decided to play Ant over Tes cause in the league there are less rouge and a lot of midrange and control decks like bug, shardless, miracles and blade deck. Thats also the reason I played 2 Senseis and 1 preordain. Instead of my usual package of 1 sensei and 2 Preordain. Until 5 min before the event I was not sure what to play. An updated version of punishing post or ANt, I didnt got and koziliek so I was not able to play Post and a friend played my version of post and got top 8 yey!

So this is the list:
1 Nauseam
1 PIF
1 Tendrills
1 preordain
4 infernal
4 ponder
4 gitaxian
4 brainstorm
4 duress
3 therapy
2 Sensei
4 cabal ritual
4 dark ritual
4 Led
4 petal
1 islan
1 swamp
2 usea
1 volcanic
1 tropical
1 bayou
4 delta
4 misty

Side:
2 tendrills
1 burning wish
2 massacre
3 decay
2 chain of vapor
2 carpet of flowers
3 xantid swarm

Wish is card I most love from board. I play it vs decks like bug and jund cause of Hymn, seize, liliana + chaman or surgical. So my tendrills never can not get RFG from game. And also I side out PIf vs Rip decks and I can still get it and make me not having 4 4cc for nauseam.


We where like around 50 ppl so 6 rounds and top8.

R1 Jaime Cano aka Duke with miracles. 0-2
From my test team and playing his good list. We have tested a lot and he usualy wins and knows my 3x tendrills side. He is also one of the best players in spain.

g1 He keeps sketchy hand. And I duress a FOW then he brainstorms and finds second land. I go for combo and he found another fow. Next turn he drew a balance. Hit blind, then 2 turns a sensei. And I lose.
g2 I duress he flusters. I make a spell chain and he has on top a fluster for my tendrills.

-2 LED
-1 PIf
-1 Infernal
-2 Cabal
-1 preordain
-1 island

+2 tendrills
+3 decay
+2 carpet
+1 Burning



R2 Infect UG 2-1

g1 I combo out turn 3
g2 He random wastelands me and I have no second land 2 turns long enought to kill me with his agent and a hierarch.
g3 I dont remeber but win

-2 sensei
-3 therap
+2 chain
+3 Xantid

R3 Mono green elfs 2-0
He didnt know my deck much. That means he was more of less new to legacy. It was a list with lots of elvish lords and so.

g1 he starts with a nettle I gitaxian therapy heriage from his hand and he could not acelerate in mana and I win on my turn 3.
g2 He drops his hand on his turn 3 with 2 lord But I pif him away on my turn.

-2 sensei
+2 chain




R4 POX 2-0

g1 I know what he plays and keep a hand of 2 led, infernal, Bayou, petal, duress, dark ritual. Thats a turn 1 hand. But he starts and has a inquisition discarting my infernal. I draw a gitaxian and duress his hymn away. He has liliana and 3 wasteland but no 2nd black source. he wastelands. I draw misty. and 2 turns later a second infernal and win.
g2 I dont know how but just kill him.

-3 therapy
+2 chain
+1 Burning


R5 TES 2-1

g1 I start and he mulls to 5 knowing what I play.I keep a hand of 2 ritual, fetch, led, therapy, sensei and cabal or second land, So I fetch usea DR play the sensei. look find a gitaxian. switch top gitaxian him seeing rite of flame, infernal, land, seize and mox. I take the infernal and leave him with seize that he will play next turn discarting my top but my next cards are brainstorm and fetch. So 2 turns latter I combo him.
g2 He gitaxians and therapies my led. Then he drops 10 goblins and discard my ritual. And I have infernal but not enought mana in the 2 turns and loose.
g3 He has a weird hand with mox and 2 wishes. I have sensei and im one mana short of wining. Have a led on table, a cabal on top and under him an infernal. With 2 lands in hand. he wishes for diminishing and pass. So I make landrop look with top and next turn I can go of. I pass the turn with usea up and a fetch. He makes his landrop plays a mox and diminishing. having already used a mox and making landrop, 2 burning already removed and with 0 mana in pool is really hard to win. Also he removed 3 rituals and the nauseam from the diminishing. He makes like nothing only like petal duress me. But with 6 new card and 2 top activations on his turn I just nauseam him to dead.

Side nothing (I just dont have any cards for the matchup u,u)

R6 Daniel Ballestin with Rip Helm miracles. 0-0

We can draw us into the top and that is what we do.

TOP 8

Merkfolks 2-0

g1 He has a higer seat and starts. He keeps a bad hand of island, island, muta, vial, lord, rejerey and TNN. I duress him 2 times one before going of and win.
g2 He starts island vial. I gitaxian him seeing vial, daze, swansong, swansong, lord. I play delta and petal and ponder. He tics vial up and plays a drawn land.I dures him and he dazes I dont pay. I therapy him and he swansongs. I hav another duress in hand so I just sac the bird and call the lord. Next turn I duress the other swansong and see a land. soon after I win.

-2 sensei
-1 duress
+3 xantid

TOP 4

Infect 2-0

g1 He has a slow start with a daze on my duress that I pay with a petal and I win.
g2 he has fluster, syfle, 2 hierarch, 3 lands from a gtaxian. He made land go. I just drop xantid. From there on he draws and ponders. I atack with the xantid now that he cant play berserk on it. Then next turn he lands a glisterned elf. I atack with xantid, and have the kill. But he styfles me. So I just pass. He atacks and leaves me at 9 posion counters and I just win.

-2 sense
-3 therapy
+3 xantid
+2 chain


Finals

UWR blade Sergio Matesanz 2-1
He just defeated in top 4 the guy that beated me in the 1st round.

G1 I get rid of his counters and win.
G2 I have combo in hand and he has no counters. But 4 mana up and 2 snapcaster in hand. I have duress and not therapy. Can get rid of them and a stonforge and a vendlion end up killing me after a turn where I played like 6 cantrips and could not find a tutor to lock out the counterspell with the nauseam in hand and then just tutor the natural tendrills or fin one of the tendrills in the deck.
g3 He has a vendilin and a snapcaster presuring me. And 4 lands, in play a second vendilion in hand and a rip and stoneforge. I go into cantrips and after catriping my cards are this: Sensei in play 3 lands up. 2 led in hand, a ponder, a cabal, and a duress. I go ponder and see led, brainstrom and a tendrills, He is at 17 lives. I draw the led and leave brainstorm under tendrills. Then I drop the leds and with my last 2 lands I play the cabal. with only duress in hand. He think a lot of playng vendilion or not. and dosnt play it. I then go into duress get rid of his rip. crack led for blue. swap sensei, draw brainstrom. Play it keep the sensei and put tendrills on top and crack another led for black and swap the sensei for the tendrills on 10 spells. He just have the option to fetch and vendilion himself of the stoneforge and try to draw a flusterstorm. He draws a land and concedes.

-1 pif
-1 led
-1 island
+2 tendrills
+1 burning



So I just win get 105€ in cash and get away happy with only having made 2 mistakes in the event. One first round on slaming a sensei vs a know counterspell and another vs Tes where I had a sensei and I could infernal and get something and then after the shuffle draw blind with sensei and if it was a caba ritual I could have won.

But thats all what I saw.


Thanks for reading :D

I don't have much time for posting here or for Mtg in overall .. played Sawatarix 2 AN list with mixed results (usual 3:1s), tried Lemnears TES (4:2 with loss to stupidity and loss to Enchantress =D)... this weekend I found myself on a booze & girls trip among 10 of my high school friends in a 350 km distant city... The nerdy Me kept me informed there is a Prague Eternal trial taking place on Saturday in some LGS so I threw my deck into the backpack in cause I'm not completely deaddrunk... After some night life, Metaxa, Champagne, local Beer and a bottle of Vodka I found myself surprisingly fresh in the hotel restaurant in the morning... most of the guys who were able to attend prefered to get more sleep... so after some deliberation I grab my backpack and head into town... guidelines say the tournament takes place in a restaurant 15 mins away, I hope for ~20ppl SFM heavy field... despite being from Prague is not a thing to brag about around 12 friendly local players await me... -> 4 rounds and top 4

// NAME : Griímflames Fullmoon UBeR ANT

2 Bloodstained Mire
1 Badlands
1 Island
1 Swamp
1 Volcanic Island
2 Underground Sea
3 Scalding Tarn
4 Polluted Delta

4 Lion's Eye Diamond
3 Lotus Petal
4 Dark Ritual
4 Cabal Ritual

4 Cabal Therapy
2 Thoughtseize
1 Duress

4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder

4 Infernal Tutor
1 Grim Tutor
2 Tendrils of Agony
1 Empty the Warrens
2 Lightning Bolt
2 Past in Flames

61


SB: 1 Tropical Island
SB: 1 Bayou
SB: 2 Abrupt Decay
SB: 3 Xantid Swarm
SB: 2 Pithing needle
SB: 1 pyroblast
SB: 1 Notion Thief
SB: 2 Dread of Night
SB: 1 Massacre
SB: 1 Ad Nauseam

15


R1 UBG Foodchain

Guy running the tournament, probably a good player, ended up top 32 in Strasbourgh and top 100 in Paris, overall a nice guy, I suspect he's on UB Omnitell
G1 - discard shows Emrakul and crap -> PIF Loop by turn 3/4
G2 - discard shows Emrakul and crap -> Fow proof PIF Loop by turn 3
out - Island, Swamp, U Sea, Petal, Toa, Duress, 2x TS, CR?
in - 2x Needle, 3x Xantid Swarm, 2x Decay, Trop, Bayou, Thief?

R2 - W Hatebears

I know what he's on, he writing a play by play report and asks me if a slower tempo to make notes is ok, I have no objections
G1 - GP shows lovely 2 StP and Revoker which gets discarded -> my T3 earns a simple "comboes with shitton of cards" line on his paper
G2 - GP shows his lovely mull into 2 StP !!!, BS bear and SFM, I sangbag my DoF, discard his Batterskull, Bolt him 2 times while he's Porting me and ToA for 16 around turn 5
out - ToA, Duress, PIF?
in - Massare, 2x DoN,



R3 - URB Pyromancer tempo

I know what he's on, he actually travels for larger tournaments, stock list, preferably I'd dodge the match-up, things get wild with SB CT and Surgical Extraction
G1 - DRS -> go / Probe -> 10 Goblins go
G2 - I open up T1 10 goblins but with EtW in hand... so T2 I Needle a Flooded Strand he does not crack in response, he playes a DRS against my Tarn+Island, I get so see his hand, see Stifle and SP, I pretend thinking for a while and fetch into stifle, play another fetch, LED, LED, IT-> Ad Nauseam ... I get to 4 with load of cards but no tutor, so I bolt his DRS, discard his SP and have to pass against his Pyromancer+CT, he strips 2 DR and Ponder from my hand, I BS->Ponder->IT-> Storm 20
out - Mire/U Sea, Duress, Toa, PiF, 2x Thoughtseize, Grim, GP?
in - 2x Pithing Needle, 3x Xantid Swarm, Trop, Bayou, Ad Nauseam


R4 - Jund

I know what he's on, he thinks he has to play with 7 points to get to top 4
G1 - he mulls 6, I discard some crap, then go for blind PiF T3 -> 32 goblins via last Ponder
G2 - he mulls 6 - badland - go / I GP seeing Pyroblast, Hymn, Pithing Needle, Grafdiggers Cage, Liliana ... I don't Ponder into that... he obv. rips a fetch and I start shuffling... he starts thinking.. and next levels himself with good ol'Needle your LED, grafdigger's Cage... come on... ponder -> 14 gobbos & C ya...
out - Thoughtseize/Grim, ToA, PIF
in - 2x Pithing Needle, Ad Nauseam

1st - 12 points (8:0)

SF - Jund - I guess 7 pts was good enough after all... I briefly discussed with the other 2 guys if they want to split because I care just about the bye and have other plans for the afternoon... 1 wanted to play...
meanwhile my Jund guy got a meal he ordered and I don't want to push my luck after I leveled him up twice with the LED explanation and seeing nullrods he SBed out... this ends up fast with T1 kills...
2:0

I have a lot of time to observe painfull comedy of eot BS, Fow/w Jace vs. Stifle on 4 lands, in resp BS of hope into FOW+U vs. unimportant threat on the other table... by some bizare turn of events one itteration of this sequence lead into 4C deathblade win over the UBR Pyromancer


Finals - UBWg Deathblade

no way I'm splitting this after what I've seen, he has 2 Cannonists, 3 MM, 3 RIP, 1 Zealous P. and Swan Song in the board, fine with me..
G1 - Ponder go / Sea-DRS go / GP-> Pif loop with Grim tutor ... after the 5 hours in the room my opp still did not know what I'm playing...
G2 - I open up land+rituals, IT, TOA and CT... so my plan is to PIF loop or to catch him off guard and double ToA him... fetch go / blind CT for Rip earns BS in response, hitting one RIP seeing a Swan Song, he playes another fetch and 2nd RIP... draw another ritual, go... SFM or something go ... and I rip... 2nd ToA ... ok come on... DR... my Opp is a smartass and has no plays.. DR, DR, CR, ToA 10, ToA 12 ... earning some smiles and laughs in the audience...
out - PIF, U Sea, Mire, duress, 2x petal
in - Trop, Bayou, 2x Decay, Pyroblast, Massacre


= 1Bye+Badlands


+ my build still works fine
+ bye
- difficulty setting

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Originally Posted by Togores

Thanks for response (:

I started testing the wish main deck. Playing the same side but just cutting carpets or dread of night. And having a side like this:
2 tendrills
3 decay
3 xantid
1 thoughtseize
1 empty
1 massacre
2 chain of vapor
2 carpet/ dread of night or 1x dread of sorrow, eye to nowhere, meltdown or deathmark.

This seemed fine changing 2 misty rainforest for scalding and the third misty for badlands.


At the end I just realiced that empty is just bad. And that i usualy never wanna the wish due to be slow and I only wanted it vs drs + thoughseize decks.

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Congrats on your recent tournament win and finding an optimal list to your liking. It all comes down to preference, and I can understand your reasoning for keeping it in the sideboard and removing the empty the warrens. My sideboard is currently:
3 xantid swarm
2 abrupt decay
2 massacre
2 chain of vapor
2 surgical extraction
1 tendrils
1 empty the warrens
1 thoughtseize
1 toxic deluge

I prefer playing the burning wish main as a means to win bad game 1 matchups. Seldom do I find it as a drawback as a 1 of, and it provides a more useful role for me compared to the 3rd preordain. Empty the warrens won't be leaving my board anytime soon since it has won me quite a few games.

I just feel that empty without 4 therapy is to slow. Usualy when I can random wish for empty I could also combo off. This is not TES making you the fast mana. Usualy an empty here is turn 3. And turn 3 you can usualy also just PIf them away. Plus the slots are importnat. Wasting like 3-5 SB slots just fot one random card in main is really meh to me.


But just to say the Deck was really good. I wanna buy foil pyromancers to test them. But first I have to sell something on MKM. The sensei divinig top was aweosme all day. giving me free storm or 9 cards in hand for natural tendrills. Also making some plays like braisntrom put nauseam on top and then petal DR duress. Led spin top nauseam them to dead with the free mana of led.

Just like old time with the mistical tutor decks <3

Sorry for doublé posting but Just to show. I got the second German U.sea this weekend so I finished my TES deck but also had the ANT deck (Im really not proud of the 2 WB lands but I really dont wanna get them so please ignore this)

The Side is not Foil and so. On my list next cards are Massacres, Japanese carpet, Foil xantids and decays, but this all will have to wait until after summer.


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Hey y'all! I know I've been MIA for a while. Until school ends this Fall, I have taken a break from MTG, which by extension means this thread. I'm going to start checking my PM's on occasion, though, so if there is anything y'all would like added, please PM me with the most detail you can so I can add it to the OP. I don't want to have to read through the entire thread until Fall, so please feel free to just send me those messages. I hope this primer has been helpful to all you ANT players out there, and I look forward to rejoining your ranks!

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I just feel that empty without 4 therapy is to slow. Usualy when I can random wish for empty I could also combo off. This is not TES making you the fast mana. Usualy an empty here is turn 3. And turn 3 you can usualy also just PIf them away. Plus the slots are importnat. Wasting like 3-5 SB slots just fot one random card in main is really meh to me.


But just to say the Deck was really good. I wanna buy foil pyromancers to test them. But first I have to sell something on MKM. The sensei divinig top was aweosme all day. giving me free storm or 9 cards in hand for natural tendrills. Also making some plays like braisntrom put nauseam on top and then petal DR duress. Led spin top nauseam them to dead with the free mana of led.

Just like old time with the mistical tutor decks <3

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I actually play the 4 therapy/3 duress split. The slots in the board are cards I would board in anyways during game 2/3. Empty for me is normally for the turn 1 or 2 against decks like delver which they can't handle, but I am 1-3 storm short of lethal tendrils. Interesting take on the tops. They help no doubt, but I always found myself wanting them to be another cantrip contributing to threshold.

@Slosh:
Well done my friend, still playing the grinding station-like build i see.
I'm really amazed about the 2 lightning bolts,you probably need them to kill deathrite shaman because your primary win confition seems to be past in flames.

The 2 Pithin Needles are your answer to miracle i guess? (Senseis top with fluterstorm on top is nearly unbeatable,sadly...)

Keep on winning,high 5



- Team RUG-STAR Berlin -

@ Slosh: yeah, congrats! Will you be playing tomorrow? Maybe I'll also come, if only my wife lets me go.

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@Slosh:
Well done my friend, still playing the grinding station-like build i see.
I'm really amazed about the 2 lightning bolts,you probably need them to kill deathrite shaman because your primary win confition seems to be past in flames.

The 2 Pithin Needles are your answer to miracle i guess? (Senseis top with fluterstorm on top is nearly unbeatable,sadly...)

Keep on winning,high 5



- Team RUG-STAR Berlin -

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Thanks, actually it's like a month since I played it last time. I have been mostly playing your list past 1-2 months to try out something different and get fresh ideas on Ad Nauseam in the meta (my previous list haven't played it in the 76 at all). A week ago I played Lemnears TES in a larger tournament and the meta was ideal for 2 Pif build (low UBG a lot of UWx/x stoneforge) - therefore my choice for last Saturday (and it's autopilot for me despite being drunk).

the deck plays out the same as normal ANT G1, the speed is the same or faster, DRS+Hymn is a bigger problem, the thing is - Bolts buy time - DRS/Delver or clears the way for EtW (SFM), especially in a LGS meta where everyone is mulling into Thalia, DRS/Delver+counters hands, Bolting their only threat put my opps in a tough position... is differentiated answer to hatebears (MM and the whole UWR is a joke), IT->Bolt FTW is not uncommon and it has some synergy with the 2x ToA plan

True, Needle has proven to be by far the best card against Miracles for me (Pyromancer simply does not work localy), is good with Griselbrand and I try to find out if Needle on DRS vs. Team America like decks is good, as my deck should not lose to a deck with counters+discard, without GY hate and/or fast clock, this is also why I've reintroduced SB Ad Nauseam to the deck, the UBG has too many angles and instant answers to EtW aswell

It's not to be judged from a small tournament where it looked like everyone else had been drinking instead of me... but my hands would keep up with much stronger resistance, deck still works and a bye is sweet :)

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@ Slosh: yeah, congrats! Will you be playing tomorrow? Maybe I'll also come, if only my wife lets me go.

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Haven't asked my girlfriend yet ;) but I hope to believe so, haven't seen you for a while... I'm not sure if playing the same 76, maybe rebuilding the SB (I'm thinking about cutting 3x Swarm and G land in favor of something) or some TES incarantion, dunno yet...