-1 GoyfQuote:
Originally Posted by Xero_2285
+1 Wasteland seems to be your best option, yes.
Also, add one more Needle to your sideboard and one more Crypt/Relic.
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-1 GoyfQuote:
Originally Posted by Xero_2285
+1 Wasteland seems to be your best option, yes.
Also, add one more Needle to your sideboard and one more Crypt/Relic.
I split top 4 at a 22 player tourny with the Uwr variant.
(22 players, Supergames in Alpharetta, GA)
It's the standard Ur list -3 Spell Snare, -1 Wasteland (Non basics aren't too heavy in my meta)
+3 Stp, +1 O. Ring
s/b
3 REB
3 Meddling Mage
3 Pyroclasm
2 Echoing Truth
1 Relic of Progenitus
1 Tormod's Crypt (Dredge looked like a no show)
1 Pithing Needle
1 Oblivion Ring
Round 1: David Meyer - Ugrb Trinket Control
Great guy, and I absolutely loved his deck. Trinkets, Capsule, shackels, EE, A. Ruins,
Goyfs, Counters.
G1: An early CB +Top, followed by Factory + Dreadnought win this one for me.
G2: Long Match. My early CB meets REB. Dreadnought gets EE'd. He gets Academy ruins + Explosives. I land a Meddling Mage on EE, then his Trinket Mage finds Executioner's Capsule....yikes. He lands two Tarmogoys.Dreadnought 2 comes out (I have a stifle in hand for the capsule), but out comes Sower of Temptation.... G3..
G3: I keep a hand of Factory x2, Stifle, Dreadnought, Standstill, Daze, FOW. Drop a Factory, pass. e plays island, top, go. I rip Volcanic Island like a champ. Nought + Stifle goes unanswered.
Round 2: Andy Probasco (Brassman on TMD) - Next Level Blue ?
Andy usually plays his painter list, but I saw no painters/grindstones. Goyfs, CB/Top, Shackles, Counters, & Cantrips. Andy also wins the best altered art/deck award. He does his own extended art on CB and Trinket Mage, and they are quite sexy.
G1: Waste + Stifle keep him out of the game, while Factory goes for the throat. His ponders find nothing relevant.
G2: Duress takes my Brainstorm. He Spell Snares my Standstill. I drop a nought, with counter backup. Win.
Round 3: Thor - Goyf Sligh
It's always fun to play against Thor. I just like his RAWR, I win mentality.
G1: Turn 1 Lavamancer, Turn 2 Lavamancer, and Keldon Marauders + Goyf came out before Dreadnough ruins his day.
G2: Turn 1 FoD, Turn 2 FoD. I Pyroclasm (He didn't see red game 1). That buys enough time to drop a nought.
Round 4: Robbie - Rw Goblins
Great player. He always makes smart, concise plays.
G1: I Force his T1 Lackey. Play Island. He plays a second Lackey. Boo. I can't put on enough pressure, but I did counter a SGC by flipping a Force to Counterbalance.
G2: Play Island. He plays a Lackey, I play Factory. He plays port. I play second Factory. I drop a nought and win.
G3: I end up gaining 24 life from 2 Stp'd Dreadnoughts... Then get attacked for 79.
(Double Pile driver, SGC, 3 tokens, 2 Lackey, Warchief, Pyromancer) Legendary.
3-1
Top 8
Jt - Belcher
G1: Stifle his Empty the Warrens. Stifle a Dreadnought, EE his tokens for kicks.
G2: Echoing Truth his Goblins. Needle on BelchMeddling Mage on Burning Wish, Pithing er.
Yeah, this isn't a good match for combo, and for some reason I always draw 4 stifles when up against combo.
Top 4 Split.
O. Ring wasn't cast one.
I'll be trying Divert in the SB sometime in the future. In theory, it is really strong, being good against counters/Burn/Hymn/Thoughtseize/Swords. It's a little easier to cast than REB and makes Daze marginally better in the mid game.
I'm also considering Dismantling Blow for the side. It dodges Counterbalance, and occaisionally draws cards. But, I'm not convinced it would be better than O. Ring.
Mega props to Zack Wilson for trading me Mana Drains.
I finished 3-3 (last round conceded to a friend) in a 46-man tournament. I'm very disappointed as I began with a good 3-0 start and then start loosing like a retard, sometimes due to me keeping hands I shouldn't have, sometimes due to my lack of sideboarding skill. It was my first time with the deck in a real tournament.
I beat UGw Threshold (2-0), Faerie Stompy (2-1) and ANT (1-0), and the proceeded to loose 2-0 againt UGr Moon Threshold (0-2, keeping hands I should't have really helped), Not-Quite Survival (0-2, first turn Confidant followed by shit and combined with low threat hands from my part on both games) and then I tried to get the only top 8 slot for 12 point players that was available as the other seven top 8 players were already decided. I played a looong game against UGW Threshold and after serious stalling I finally loose. I give the second game to the guy hoping that one of us could really get into the top8. (And he did)
I'm aware of my lack of skill with the deck as I hadn't tested the Threshold matchup as much as I should (yes, you can kill me). Fearing ANT the meta turned aggrocontrol-heavy but there were also a huge portion of aggro decks (Goyf Sligh, Zoo, Burn), even though I didn't faced any.
I'm considering trying another splashes... and of course I need to do some more testing. Today I have experienced the best and the worst that Dreadstill can offer.
:smile:
FWIW: I went 5-0 in another local tournament with the UR version against non-tier decks. This deck may just be the best deck in the format right now. The mana base is sooooooooooooooooooo consistent it tends to remove just about any chance of mana screw and then with fetches it quickly boils down to threats.
Have anyone tried Threads of Disloyalty? That would be good against other dreadnoughts, tarmogoyfs and confidant at least. Any thoughts?
What would you remove for it? To me, it seems like the list is too tight to include it. It would also weaken Counterbalance seeing the Trinket Mage is already in this deck.
Hmm, it depends what colors you play, but i think something like this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mayk0l
3x Blue Elemental Blast
3x Red Elemental Blast
3x Threads of Disloyalty
2x Tormod's crypt
1x Relic of Progenitus
1x Pithing Needle
2x Echoing Truth
The Thresh matchup is where you would most want Threads I would think, and that is one of the matchups that will board in Grip, so you would want more 3 drops in the deck to have a better chance at stoping Grip. Against Survival it also stops Harmonic Sliver.
Threads is also good against Thresh BECAUSE it costs 3 and gets around their Counterbalance. Seems decent to me. Especially in Ur because you don't have your own goyfs.
Yep. I do play ur-version so i'm not able to play grips :) Just thinking, do we need Krosan Grip anyways? Ok, it's split second so it's hard to counter except counterbalance and that won't always even hit. Other what can cause problem we can survive by blasts (Back To Basics, Blood Moon, Counterbalance). Those won't even always be such of big problem cause number of basics we run. Needles and Chalices we get rid of by EE. Angelstax have some nasty artifacts what we want get rid of soon as possible but there we have echoing truth and counters. These thoughts isn't anything new maybe, but just want some reasons why to play Krosan Grip over ur-version.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigbear102
Erm maybe fucking HUMILITY?!?!
Or a DREADNOUGHT!
Beside that Counterbalance can be a huge problem, and it feels more comfortable to have another beater and not lose to a extirpated nought or something.
Against Threshold I wouldn't imagine boarding in Threads at all... that seems horrid. The fact it can't touch Mongoose, and they have K-grip as an out for it IF you are lucky enough to hit one of their 4 Goyfs makes it seems horrid there IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigbear102
I wouldn't say it's so out of the question... First, you already have plenty of Krosan Grip targets in your deck, most of which you'd be happy to sacrifice a Threads to let live (Dreadnought, Counterbalance/Top). Secondly, Mongeese can be killed by your Factories, or by Tarmogoyf if you run them, or even sometimes by two Mages. And finally, "+2 Goyf" is the most powerful effect you can get in this matchup for a single card. Boarding in two copies against Threshold used to work fine for me when I was testing mono-U Dreadstill a few months ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roodmistah
As an aside, Threshold lists with Dark Confidant are becoming common, and against them the Threads are definitely good.
It's pretty bad against Threshold trust me...The most I'd ever board in would be 1...just as a silver bullet but that's pretty much it. There's a ton of uses for it in other matchups, however.
Ok, maybe that threads won't get slots at sideboard. I have local tournament saturday where i'm going to play ur-dreadstill. I have heard that there will be lots of Mono-Blue Control (MUC), so i would need some tips against that matchup. Example what to side in and out? I guess out will go 4x Dazes and maybe 1x Standstill? And in 3x Red Elemental Blast and 3x Echoing Truth? Also what sideboard options is against EvaGreen? Thanks for helping :)
Well first off MUC is near unloseable, they simply cannot deal with a Dreadnought, there only out is Powder Keg and you have 1000x Stifles. Also you win the draw go game because you have Mishra's Factory.
Assuming you are playing Rodney's Standard Ur List here would be the sideboarding:
// Lands
3 [ON] Polluted Delta
3 [ON] Flooded Strand
4 [4E] Mishra's Factory
3 [REW] Wasteland
6 [ARE] Island (8)
2 [u] Volcanic Island
// Creatures
4 [MI] Phyrexian Dreadnought
3 [FD] Trinket Mage
// Spells
4 [SC] Stifle
3 [CS] Counterbalance
2 [TSP] Trickbind
4 [NE] Daze
2 [CHK] Sensei's Divining Top
4 [FNM] Brainstorm
4 [AL] Force of Will
4 [OD] Standstill
2 [FD] Engineered Explosives
3 [DIS] Spell Snare
// Sideboard
SB: 2 [DS] Echoing Truth
SB: 2 [SOK] Pithing Needle
SB: 3 [R] Blue Elemental Blast
SB: 3 [TSB] Tormod's Crypt
SB: 3 [b] Red Elemental Blast
SB: 2 [7E] Pyroclasm
-4 Daze
-1 Spell Snare
-1 Engineered Explosives
+3 Red Elemental Blast
+2 Echoing Truth
+1 Pithing Needle
Echoing Truth isn't bad against EvaGreen. Spell snare is good. Be aware of Choke post-side. If you have Grip or anti-enchantment cards, put them post-sb.
But however, it's an hard MU.
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PS: I'm currently testing a UGWr version... :wink: It's good but I had to put 23 lands to make it consistant. If I would be convinced Jotun Grunt can be as good as Tarmo, I would go UWr, but I'm not.
Creatures:
3 Phyrexian Dreadnought
2 Trinket Mage
3 Tarmogoyf
NOTE: I had to drop creatures to put more lands. - Trinket, - Tarmo.
Spells:
4 Brainstorm
2 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Standstill
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Trickbind
4 Daze
4 Stifle
4 Force of Will
3 Counterbalance
3 Swords to Plowshares
NOTE: I had problems against creatures like Tombstalker & Exalted Angel. But my MAJOR problems is that on my weekly local tournament, the rounds are only 40 to 45 minutes. I had problems finishing games against control decks because it was always a goyf or a mishra battle. I think removal can be the best option for me.
// Lands
1 Volcanic Island
3 Flooded Strand
4 Polluted Delta
4 Island
4 Mishra's Factory
3 Wasteland
2 Tundra
2 Tropical Island
NOTE: 23 lands ftw. +1 fetch, +1 dual (-1 volcanic, +2 tundra)
// Sideboard
SB: 3 Jotun Grunt
SB: 3 Blue Elemental Blast
SB: 3 Echoing Truth
SB: 1 Pithing Needle
SB: 1 Ancient Grudge
SB: 2 Firespout
SB: 2 Krosan Grip
NOTE: I kicked out Tormod's and put 3 Jotun. I'm stil not sure about that move and I will see if the 4color is consistant. If it's not, I'll test UWr.
PS2: PLEASE note that I have a diversified Metagame and sometimes random so it may explain why I don't play Ur list = Not enough threat, not enough removal. Creatures-based decks are pretty common.
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You don't have any dredge or/and loam decks in your meta? I suppose Tormod's Crypts are quite required against those matchups. Jotun Grunt just won't be fast enought against Dredge and Trinket Mage doesn't find it too :/Quote:
Originally Posted by Enigma
I tested today against EvaGreen without sideboard and games went like 2-4 for me. One game went for favor cause opponent can't find enought mana to empty his hand fast enought and other just nought beats and not enought removal from EvaGreen. I find Hypnotic Specter is really annoying, if that hits table.. err. Afer sideboarding things will of course change but game 1..
Thanks J.V. for advices :)
2 weeks ago I won a 14 man tourney with the following list:
3x Dreadnought
4x Trinket mage
3x FoW
4x Spell snare
4x Daze
3x Counterbalence
2x Top
3x Lotus petal
4x Brainstorm
3x Stifle
1x Trickbind
1x EE
4x Standstill
2x Flooded strand
3x Polluted delta
1x Hallowed fountain
3x Wasteland
4x Mishra's factory
7x Island
1x Academy ruins
SB:
4x BeB
1x EE
3x Crypt
8x Irrelevent crap
I realize that this deck is missing some things like full playsets of three of the most important cards, real dual lands and a full sideboard, but I just did not have them at the time.
The lotus petals were in there as filler for al the things I didn't have, but they make for some pretty explosive openings. Twice I had a turn 1 stifle-nought, which won the game. Another time i had a turn 1 counter-top. I know that i need full playsets of FoW, stifle and nought, but has anyone else tried the petal?
Those Lotus Petals seems pretty random for me. If you get 1st turn stifle-nought, there must be some backup against decks like EvaGreen. Did your sideboard contain some white cards or did you play Hallowed Fountain just to get EE@2? What did you face at tournament?Quote:
Originally Posted by e=mc^2
The fountain was there only for EE for 2. I had just thrown the deck together earlier that day so it wasn't really complete.
Here were the matchups:
Swiss:
Ichorid 2-1
Goblins 2-1
EtW combo 2-0
Berzerk MGA 0-2
Top 4:
U/B control 2-0
Berzerk 2-0
The biggest problem I had was the MGA deck. I couldn't deal with multiple green creatures played on the same turn. Trinket mage foe EE was too slow. I have yet to play a disruption heavy deck like Eva Green, so i'm not sure how this list would fare. Even though I like the petals I will be removing them for playsets of the important cards as I find them. I was just wondering if people cut something else for them.