[Primer/Deck] Nic Fit

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Originally Posted by Brael

Yes. If you're using Glissa you're just interested in the first strike/death touch combo. Pretend the artifact text doesn't exist.

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What artifact text? Isn't that just oddly placed flavor text?

Atarka is strictly worse than Inferno Titan in almost every way for Sneak. Not being able to hit players with the trigger is an absolute deal-breaker.

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Originally Posted by Arianrhod

Atarka is strictly worse than Inferno Titan in almost every way for Sneak. Not being able to hit players with the trigger is an absolute deal-breaker.

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Yeah, that makes sense. Shows how much I know about Tarkir block cards.

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Originally Posted by LTJZamboni

Correct about Glissa - she's only there for Eldrazi. With Painful Truths, I could see shaving something from the sideboard for a second copy as it was great in the matchups that went long.



Nissa is great if you're having trouble pressuring planeswalkers and want quick inevitability in the form of her ultimate.

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Hello all!
Lurker since around when eldrazi became a force and been playing nic fit for as bout as long.

Have been testing Atraxa, Praetor's Voice in a 4c build and wanted to share and hear others thoughts.


Main Board:
4 Veteran Explorer
1 Deathrite Shaman
3 Siege Rhino
1 Eternal Witness
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
2 Tireless Tracker
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Sun Titan
1 Leovold, Emissary of Trest
1 Atraxa, Praetors' Voice
1 Maelstrom Pulse
3 Abrupt Decay
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Cabal Therapy
3 Path to Exile
3 Pernicious Deed
3 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Sorin, Grim Nemesis
1 Nissa, Vital Force
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Windswept Heath
2 Bayou
2 Savannah
1 Scrubland
2 Forest
1 Island
1 Underground Sea
2 Plains
1 Swamp
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Volrath's Stronghold

Side Board:
1 Elspeth, Sun's Champion
1 Garruk Relentless
2 Surgical Extraction
3 Lost Legacy
1 Toxic Deluge
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Qasali Pridemage
2 Painful Truths
1 Krosan Grip
1 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar

So the mana base is better than expected due to vet being able to fetch island.

4c goodies.

Leovold: I really like running Leovold although I am unsure how much he helps the faster combo matchups because my meta game is lacking in those. But against port/wasteland and brainstorm decks he is really good.

Atraxa: The flying, green sunable batterskull. Crazy against delver and goyf decks and great to make the opposing sides batterskull less relevent. Also the fact that she flies is great as well for beating planeswalkers to death.

Side Board:

My side board is a bit weird due to my meta having very few combo decks and mostly just being some lands, some infect(friend suggest jamming a melire in the side board for them lol), a bunch of delver, a bunch of DnT, and a couple other random fair decks.


Also I have found Nissa, Vital force to be amazing so far as she just mauls other planeswalkers and if you turn 2/3 her and then ult her against grindy match ups you wont be losing that game.

I have also considered changing some cards to put a jace and a second basic island in and possible a mindbreak trap for the leovold plus storm shenagins but both seem kinda of... ambitious

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Originally Posted by Echelon

What artifact text? Isn't that just oddly placed flavor text?

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Agreed. First Strike Deathtouch is no joke. There's a reason only 2 cards have ever been printed with it.


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Originally Posted by mstephenson

Hello all!
Lurker since around when eldrazi became a force and been playing nic fit for as bout as long.

Have been testing Atraxa, Praetor's Voice in a 4c build and wanted to share and hear others thoughts.

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Hi !

I see two 6 drop and no STE, aren't you too slow when not hitting cabal/vet? Or vs white when not finding any sac effect?
Also Elspeth SC wouldn't be simply better than Sorin, Grim Nemesis in main?

In your shoes, I think I would choose only one 6-drop and put a sakura or a second deathrite instead the other one.

My two cents ;)

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Originally Posted by TTX

Agreed. First Strike Deathtouch is no joke. There's a reason only 2 cards have ever been printed with it.

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I had a Glissa holding back an Inkwell Leviathan a few weeks ago.. No joke indeed! :)

I know u guys discussed the gitrog monster already but I wonder if someone tested it a bit further? Maybe a workable sideboard card against eldrazi?

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Originally Posted by cherson

I know u guys discussed the gitrog monster already but I wonder if someone tested it a bit further? Maybe a workable sideboard card against eldrazi?

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What makes you think of it as anti-Eldrazi material?

Once we get to 5 or 6 mana, you can GSZ for Glissa or Meren, or start hard casting other creatures that outclass them such as the titans or a dragonlord. In the sneak build there is both Sidisi and Meren which help road-block Eldrazi. I wonder if the new Nissa is a better card engine than Gitrog...once you ult her then the opponent can't remove the emblem to prevent you from drawing a ton of cards in a grindy game.

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Originally Posted by square_two

What makes you think of it as anti-Eldrazi material?

Once we get to 5 or 6 mana, you can GSZ for Glissa or Meren, or start hard casting other creatures that outclass them such as the titans or a dragonlord. In the sneak build there is both Sidisi and Meren which help road-block Eldrazi. I wonder if the new Nissa is a better card engine than Gitrog...once you ult her then the opponent can't remove the emblem to prevent you from drawing a ton of cards in a grindy game.

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I think this is likely true. Gitrog does shine in the Eldrazi matchup, it's true -- but I think that other options, as noted, serve multi-matchup duty better than the toad does, sadly.

I've gone on record saying this before, and I'll say it again: Nissa Vital Force is everything we want in a nice, neat little package. With a bow on top.

.........I now have images of a Magical Girl Nissa alter dancing in my head.

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Originally Posted by cherson

I know u guys discussed the gitrog monster already but I wonder if someone tested it a bit further? Maybe a workable sideboard card against eldrazi?

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High CMC cards seldom work well as SB cards. You need to be alive by the time you might be able to cast them, which usually is the problem. GSZ for Glissa is still cheaper than Gitrog and does a better job of stalling the ground wars until answered.

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Originally Posted by square_two

What makes you think of it as anti-Eldrazi material?

Once we get to 5 or 6 mana, you can GSZ for Glissa or Meren, or start hard casting other creatures that outclass them such as the titans or a dragonlord. In the sneak build there is both Sidisi and Meren which help road-block Eldrazi. I wonder if the new Nissa is a better card engine than Gitrog...once you ult her then the opponent can't remove the emblem to prevent you from drawing a ton of cards in a grindy game.

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sorry, didn't mention that I am not on SneakFit. I posted my list two pages before and my curve is quite low but includes meren.
I don't play titan's neither dragonlord. my biggest creatures are rhinos and sigarda, both /5 means they die to smasher.
glissa works fine but just ones. monster could even kill oblivion sower and stay alive.
nissa created 5/5 as well which is great, maybe she is indeed the better overall option.
I play two PW main already (sorin, loi and garruk) and big sorin in the sideboard. I have to re-consider that.

@echelon: agree that the higher mana costs are an issue.

I'm tempted to try out a Stoneforge list running Basilisk Collar as a card to help against Eldrazi.

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Originally Posted by Navsi

I'm tempted to try out a Stoneforge list running Basilisk Collar as a card to help against Eldrazi.

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I tried out an NO Rug list earlier this year with Granger Guildmage as a sideboard card against D&T, Elves, etc - stuff with */1's. It was surprisingly a really solid GSZ target and I recall a few games where it was killed on sight.

Thought it'd be a fun mention if you are running Basilisk Collar and can find a way to squeeze in a small red splash in order to activate the guy. Unfortunately in nic fit we already have Deed and Decays to handle most */1's, and the guildmage without a collar is quite horrible against anything bigger.

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Originally Posted by cherson

I don't play titan's neither dragonlord. my biggest creatures are rhinos and sigarda, both /5 means they die to smasher.
glissa works fine but just ones. monster could even kill oblivion sower and stay alive.

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I don't get what you mean...
Repeating, but just in case : Glissa's first strike + death touch made her a serial killer. Strenght/thoughtness doesn't matter if the opponnent creature doesn't have first neither double strike or an accurate protection or any other indestructible ability.

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Originally Posted by Arianrhod

I think this is likely true. Gitrog does shine in the Eldrazi matchup, it's true -- but I think that other options, as noted, serve multi-matchup duty better than the toad does, sadly.

I've gone on record saying this before, and I'll say it again: Nissa Vital Force is everything we want in a nice, neat little package. With a bow on top.

.........I now have images of a Magical Girl Nissa alter dancing in my head.

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Nic Fit Planeswalker Analysis, updated through Shadows over Innistrad has to be updated for Nissa being the sexiest cherry Nic Fit has ever gotten in a walker after Garruk Relentless :cool:

Concerning Glissa - she should be a very nice inclusion in a SFM based build. Strapping a Jitte to her seem pretty OP. It's probably too cutesy though.