Re: [Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm
If behold the beyond is to do anything, it will be to get out of situations where your losing horribly. for example, you have a low life total, your opponent has rest in peace in play, and making goblins isn't good enough, but you have ten mana available between your lands, your chrome mox, and the three mana accelerants you have in hand.
An example situation : vs esper stone blade, game has gone a little long, opponent has been taking your cantrips with discard, countering your business and beating you down with tnn. to make matters worse your opponent has just resolved rest in peace. you untap draw and resolve brainstorm.
Your hand is now:
Delta
git probe
B Wish
dark ritual
dark ritual
Rite
Rite
In play is:
Swamp
C. mox (imprint git probe, tapped for brainstorm)
volcanic island
underground sea (land drop for this turn)
badlands
life totals are you at 6 and them at twenty
your line is: 2 life for git probe, coast is clear, draw a fetch you put back. storm 2. tap Volcanic for Rite, storm 3, RR floating, Rite, storm 4 RRR floating. Tap swamp for Ritual, RRRBBB storm 5, Ritual RRRBBBBB storm 6, cast
wish for BTB, RRBBBB storm 7, Tap volc to cast BTB, discarding the useless fetches and get:
Dark ritual
LED
Burning wish
Cast ritual, cast led cast wish and...
Oh.
oh no.
Guys it wasnt until this point until i realized this doesn't work without another mana... and at that point diabolic revelation is better.
I'm so sorry guys.
This card is just bad in here.
Re: [Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm
Of course it is bad as it needs as much mana as the BW-DP-AN playline; if life matters its still worse than PIF; If life is low & yard shut down & goblins no option you work towards a lethal cantrip chain anyways.
The card is not nearly as flexible as it should to deserve a slot. Even in ANT the manacost is too high to run this card over a conventional Tutor chain kill
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Whoa slow down- lethal cantrip chain? This is the first I've heard of this trickery. Do tell, this sounds like the sort of advanced technique that better players of this deck know and worse players are not aware exists.
ie; me.
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Wordslinger
Whoa slow down- lethal cantrip chain? This is the first I've heard of this trickery. Do tell, this sounds like the sort of advanced technique that better players of this deck know and worse players are not aware exists.
ie; me.
In the rare and unlikely case that this isn't meant in a sarcastic way: If its forseeable that damage is rolling in fast and you can not combo quickly (aka AN & EtW not being options within a few turns anymore), its totally fine to just develop your manabase via successive landdrops and hold back artifacts, Discard, Probes and other cantrips for a few turns and use these sandbagged cards to ramp stormcount when needed.
A lot of players underestimate how fast the stormcount goes up once you hold back the free spells and convert U and a Ponder/Probe/Brainstorm into a DarkRitual/LED/RoF which not only nets you more mana than you invested, but also 2 stormcount (for a single cantrip!). Mind, that Wish equals 2 stormcount too and IT even 3 (IT->BW->ToA). The same applies to discard provoking opposing Brainstorms or counters. Do the math for some scenarios with the beforementioned rules of thumb and you'll see that "forcing" the deck into either the AN or EtW route is unneccessary and the winning playline is sometimes pretty blunt :)
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Bryant Cook
Mad props to AJ. He's a solid writer and very analytical in the right spots without coming across as a homer.
On an unrelated note, I've been strongly considering a return to...TES. I think fast is where you want to be right now if your plan is to Storm.
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Plague Sliver
Mad props to AJ. He's a solid writer and very analytical in the right spots without coming across as a homer.
On an unrelated note, I've been strongly considering a return to...TES. I think fast is where you want to be right now if your plan is to Storm.
I mean, he's a bit of a homer in the fact that he still plays Telemin Performance! ;) But I'm very glad to have him on the team.
The more, the...?
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Bryant Cook
I mean, he's a bit of a homer in the fact that he still plays Telemin Performance! ;) But I'm very glad to have him on the team.
The more, the...?
Telemin is ok in a known meta full of combo and reanimator and such, right?
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Zooligan
Telemin is ok in a known meta full of combo and reanimator and such, right?
Not quite. Storm can board in Xantid, HighTide plays Snapcasters, Reanimator can play low-impact cards like Inkwell Leviathan, etc.
Telemin is good if you play against known entities like OmniTell with Emrakul as their only Creature or SneakShow with Emrakul/Griselbrand, otherwise Telemin can be dangerous gambling
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Lemnear
Not quite. Storm can board in Xantid, HighTide plays Snapcasters, Reanimator can play low-impact cards like Inkwell Leviathan, etc.
Telemin is good if you play against known entities like OmniTell with Emrakul as their only Creature or SneakShow with Emrakul/Griselbrand, otherwise Telemin can be dangerous gambling
Ok. That makes sense. Thanks!
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I have been playing this deck online (played 15 matches so far), and it seems like the current list is basically perfect. Only thing that has felt useless is the Void Snare, but I could see situations where it could be useful. I wonder if a Massacre is better in that slot? I've had a lot of fun with the deck and have gone 10-5 so far. The only thing that has frustrated me is that I feel bottle-necked into certain Empty lines, and the deck is very fragile against some of the more disruptive blue strategies. It is certainly good against all the D+T and Maverick running around online though.
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Patrunkenphat7
I have been playing this deck online (played 15 matches so far), and it seems like the current list is basically perfect. Only thing that has felt useless is the Void Snare, but I could see situations where it could be useful. I wonder if a Massacre is better in that slot? I've had a lot of fun with the deck and have gone 10-5 so far. The only thing that has frustrated me is that I feel bottle-necked into certain Empty lines, and the deck is very fragile against some of the more disruptive blue strategies. It is certainly good against all the D+T and Maverick running around online though.
Ever since I cut Massacre a few weeks ago I haven't missed it. In paper (I don't play online at all), D&T has been dead - I've been getting much more use out of Grapeshot. I'll admit that Void Snare can feel like a safety net, but I hate siding in answers in for potential Leyline of Sanctity (When playing Chain of Vapor). If you cut Snare right now, you're only path to victory against Leyline is attacking, which isn't great against those decks.
As for feeling bottle necked, it really depends on how you play out the games. In my match against Miracles tonight, I turn one'd him game one because I had Chrome Mox in my opener. Then during sideboarding, sided out all three Chrome Mox and a Lotus Petal so I could grind them out post-board which worked perfectly. It's a matter of how you see the games going.
Either way, glad to hear that you're enjoying the deck.
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Re: [Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm
Hi all and to whom may interest:
The other day I played at the LML here in Madrid and got top8!!
I just won my first 4 rounds which consisted in Infect, UBR Tempo, Lands and Hatebears.
The next 2 rounds we drew, they were miracles so I was lucky,
Then the 1st round of the Top was vs RUG classic tempo, which I won, and the next - quarterfinals I faced to a Losset Legend Miracles in which I won my 1st game becuase of an error of my opponent - he should have put Venser on Top instead of Fow, I had therapy and of course named venser.... and lost the next 2... as always...
I built a similar list as always - the 60 are the same... and after Reading the Bryants Cook historical of TES, I made the same - substituted my pyroclasm in side for grapeshot...in deed this is a card that should never had gone from TES... I won 1 round because of G.Shot:
This was the 3rd round vs hatebears and my hand was C.M. C.M. land EtW G.P. RoF, moreless, The issue is that I needed to land Gobs before a hatebear landed and my land was destroyed by wasteland, so I needed to put 10 gobs, the opponent landed DRS chumpblocking anf getting him life and next CAnonist, and I was able to leave the opp. to 2 and destroyed the DRS with decay - yes I chose DRS instead of Canonist, then the opp. also played GSZ to Gaddock teeg, the game was developing me having less gobs and the opp. more critters and then he was at 2 with canonist, Teeg and Enginered Plague - yes to kill my 2 gobos left on table, then 2 turns before my death I drew B.W. , I played B.W. to G.Shot and finished turn, holding LED, and before my death so my play was LED, G.S. and win. YES!, I love you TES.
My opponent told it was like reaching the coast after a shipwreck and next beeing the food of cannibals...
I liked a lot my rounds vs UBR and UGR Tempo, as I was fitgning all in the same round vs wasteland, stifle, Fow and daze...
Again I lost vs miracles...
This times was legend miracles and the next 2 rounds - won the 1st, but the fact that once you reach the 5th turn you are just death even if there is no balance... snapcaster to B.S. holding FoW on top or venser or fluster or snap to fluster, etc, etc.... they had too many angles of defense after they reach a certain turn... my opponent even didnt landed c.b. bt the pressure is always there, I ate my decays one more time...
I was trying 4 decays plus 1 extirpate...well at least this is the unique match up I loose... likely I'll try the goasQuickasPoss approach... on the other side, as I mentioned
Forgot, I put some of antieldrazi hate, but was lucky to not facing any....
Well another top for TES!
Thnkas for Reading.
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Bryant, LDX, and crew, thank you guys so much for doing these Infernal Tutorings. It's extremely helpful to see you guys explaining why you'd do what you'd do, especially because it's often hard to see all the cards (and to figure out lines of play) on camera-matches. Wish there were more articles like yours for this deck and ANT (if anyone's got links, I'd really appreciate them).
Keep up the good work, gents!
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Ronald Deuce
Bryant, LDX, and crew, thank you guys so much for doing these Infernal Tutorings. It's extremely helpful to see you guys explaining why you'd do what you'd do, especially because it's often hard to see all the cards (and to figure out lines of play) on camera-matches. Wish there were more articles like yours for this deck and ANT (if anyone's got links, I'd really appreciate them).
Keep up the good work, gents!
It's always a pleasure :smile:
If you have any comments or scenarios you would like to see in a future edition, make sure to ask! I've been taking a few questions already that shall be seen in the next one, but there's always room for more.
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I kinda sorta feel like I'm starting to get the hang of things. Sometimes I still goof up technically, but after about a month with the deck and never playing legacy before I think I'm doing alright. Show & Tell/Sneak Attack decks and Eldrazi/Chalice decks are giving me fits tho. Seems like if I don't have de nutz in my opener I'm toast. What are we looking for in these matchups, especially if we have to mull?
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Zooligan
I kinda sorta feel like I'm starting to get the hang of things. Sometimes I still goof up technically, but after about a month with the deck and never playing legacy before I think I'm doing alright. Show & Tell/Sneak Attack decks and Eldrazi/Chalice decks are giving me fits tho. Seems like if I don't have de nutz in my opener I'm toast. What are we looking for in these matchups, especially if we have to mull?
Lands.