[Deck] GW/x Maverick

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Originally Posted by Luthiereisfun

Is 1 what you name against bug usually (talking about tnn/Leo builds)

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For the most part, yes. No Fatal Push, no brainstorm, spell pierce, ponder, stifle, thoughtsieze. With a mother out they need 2 Abrupt decays to escape the lock, and knight can keep them off of BGBG(god forbid a Thalia is in the board).


Other note:
Scryb Ranger gets a huge boost as a delver fighter, Blessed Alliance is now playable with the probable TNN decks, dust off your manrikis, Renegade Rallier could also be a think seeing how creatures will go to the graveyard now

I imagine Cradles will explode - either through just speculators or performance, get them now boys.

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Originally Posted by lavafrogg

Still calling the deck dead? Sad, I was super excited to see that you posted in Mav after all this time.

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The old maverick is a dud. The new Maverick will reign.

Elves was tier 1 for a while and has since been a crowd favorite, it would be speculators if anything.. good thing we only play 1.

@Koby... !!!

If elves and creature.dec become more prevelant does Thalia 2.0 deserve another look?

For elves we will have jitte/prelate/teeg and prayer, Thalia and wasteland not helping means we have dead cards aplenty. After the board we get ethersworn canonist as our main option to stall until jitte is online.

Just like DnT vs Elves, we just don't match up well against tons of 1 drop creatures.

Any creature.dec that isn't as fast as elves has to deal with Swords/Knight/Mom/Stoneforge and I think we will be favored against.

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Originally Posted by Luthiereisfun

If elves and creature.dec become more prevelant does Thalia 2.0 deserve another look?

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Was wondering the same thing.

Apologies if this already got asked and buried since this thread blew up, but does Teeg move to the board now? Feels to me that without Terminus, we don't need a mainboard 2/2 who shuts off our GSZs and is dead in some matchups. He'd free up a space for other spice, such as new Thalia or Renegade Rallier. That said, if Storm comes back in a big way maybe he needs to stay in the main.

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Originally Posted by Stuart

Was wondering the same thing.

Apologies if this already got asked and buried since this thread blew up, but does Teeg move to the board now? Feels to me that without Terminus, we don't need a mainboard 2/2 who shuts off our GSZs and is dead in some matchups. He'd free up a space for other spice, such as new Thalia or Renegade Rallier. That said, if Storm comes back in a big way maybe he needs to stay in the main.

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I am currently on 3 mainboard prelates and will consider moving teeg to the board as prelate+Thalia should be good for game one. Renegade Rallier is a very real possibility and there is a Displacer list from Japan that abuses the hell out of him. I don't know how much we can count on Renegade Rallier as he is much better in Vial lists and doesn't really fix a weakness towards DRS.

Punishing Maverick with Prelates might deserve some attention if DRS and company take over.

I honestly think there's some real merit to new Thalia now. It blocks Leo like a champ, slows down infect/elves (problem matchups) and slows down to some degree combo if they only have fetches. Even if it just gave us 1 extra turn to GSZ for teeg/hatepiece I think that's pretty good. Also shuts down Sneak attack.

It was bad vs miracles which is when i think running other things like abrupt decay was more relevant and had better universal use.

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Originally Posted by Luthiereisfun

I honestly think there's some real merit to new Thalia now. It blocks Leo like a champ, slows down infect/elves (problem matchups) and slows down to some degree combo if they only have fetches. Even if it just gave us 1 extra turn to GSZ for teeg/hatepiece I think that's pretty good. Also shuts down Sneak attack.

It was bad vs miracles which is when i think running other things like abrupt decay was more relevant and had better universal use.

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Get to testing!

I've always thought that THC was good in tons of matchups. What I don't think has changed is more legendaries makes us weaker to Karakas.

This was a problem about 2-3 months ago when DnT swarmed most metas but I'm not sure it's that big a deal right now that people moved on to other decks. I guess we'll need to see in which direction the meta moves but if people go to BUG/4c decks, DnT might become more popular as well.

I find Orim's Chant to be absolutely essential to having a positive elves matchup. It's main boon is that it provides maverick the ability to stop either a Glimpse turn, or a natural order turn using its silence/fog effects. If elves is going to be rising in popularity, the white Counterspell will do lots.

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Originally Posted by TMagpie

I find Orim's Chant to be absolutely essential to having a positive elves matchup. It's main boon is that it provides maverick the ability to stop either a Glimpse turn, or a natural order turn using its silence/fog effects. If elves is going to be rising in popularity, the white Counterspell will do lots.

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Dawnstrider?
Spore Frog?

At least these are tutorable, even though they are more limited in scope than Orim's Chant.

I agree. That was one of my first thoughts is that new Thalia is really good. I'll be jamming them

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Originally Posted by TMagpie

I find Orim's Chant to be absolutely essential to having a positive elves matchup. It's main boon is that it provides maverick the ability to stop either a Glimpse turn, or a natural order turn using its silence/fog effects. If elves is going to be rising in popularity, the white Counterspell will do lots.

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so its been good for you? I like that it's also good against storm and can be cast t1 but generally I lean towards more permanent based hate.

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Originally Posted by Luthiereisfun

... new Thalia ... Also shuts down Sneak attack.

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Just a note learned from my 5 minutes testing Loxodon Gatekeeper in Soldier Stompy years ago: A rules-aware Sneak player will sneak the creature in at the end of your turn and attack the next turn.

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Originally Posted by Scott

Just a note learned from my 5 minutes testing Loxodon Gatekeeper in Soldier Stompy years ago: A rules-aware Sneak player will sneak the creature in at the end of your turn and attack the next turn.

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ahhh good catch

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Originally Posted by Scott

Just a note learned from my 5 minutes testing Loxodon Gatekeeper in Soldier Stompy years ago: A rules-aware Sneak player will sneak the creature in at the end of your turn and attack the next turn.

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True, but they can never beat a Thalia + Karakas.

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Originally Posted by Luthiereisfun

so its been good for you? I like that it's also good against storm and can be cast t1 but generally I lean towards more permanent based hate.

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It's actually about having both.

They bounce Teeg end of turn, attempt to go off on theirs only to get silenced, they pass and you recast Teeg.

Opponent topdecks sneak attack, casts it, and puts a creature into play. They go to combat and they have to skip combat, they then sacrifice their creature at end of turn.

Opponent casts Aluren, in response to you silence them. Aluren hits the battlefield and you cast your Pridemage and kill Aluren without them able to respond.

It provides an instant speed way to interact with how your opponents normally have to interact your permanent based hate. Sometimes discard allows you to get rid of a key piece and sometimes silence stops them after they've commuted an excess of resources.

I used to use Chant over Thoughtseize exclusively until the Dig through time era of Omnishow. I switched to Thoughtseize because Silence was only good if you also had a Reclamation Sage in hand.

It's not a must--but it's actually a fantastic effect against elves because it gives your normal weapons a chance to kill elves without dying to elve's topdecks.

It's better than things like dawnstrider because all cards like that do against elves is force them to beat you fairly and have no use against any other matchup. Chant is a great Spell against both storm, elves, and s&t. Actual fog effects are only good versus elves.

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Originally Posted by Claymore

I imagine Cradles will explode - either through just speculators or performance, get them now boys.

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I had to order one last night. Quickest impulse purchase of my Magic career...