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Yes, Drago. I have actually tried out Path to Exile. I tried it in D+T. I have to take back everything I said about it.
Path to Exile is a pretty good card. But the creature you have to sacrifice to get the extra land is a bit of a drawback in that deck.
One of the more respected members of the source(obfuscate freely) He and his brother jesse(mad zur) are responsible for many many popular variations of threshold. Alix just made top 8 at the scg 5k with a zoo variant running sylvan library.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loxodon Baileyarch
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Originally Posted by Finn
And did you try Path in Zoo?
*facepalm
The source: your source for facepalmery
Ever wonder if when you get frustrated with people on the Source if people are having the same problem with you? I do :P
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Originally Posted by DragoFireheart
Seriously, we get it, you like Path over Swords.
Can we move on now? I doubt your constant questioning is going to make anyone switch their choices (honestly, its making me want to play Swords more to spite you).
Its all about the person playing the deck. If they want to give them a land, they will. If they want to give them life, they will. Both spells are good at different times and are bad at different times. Constantly arguing the point to death seems counter productive when both sides agree each has drawbacks and plus sides.
/end rant
Anyway..Ive been thinking more about kird ape. I think the next tournament I go to, Im going to try -2 Figure, -2 Isamaru and run 4 apes instead. Ill goldfish on MWS too a bit probably, just to see how it works.
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Originally Posted by Finn
You said D+T, not Zoo. You never said "Yes, Path to Exile is good (or better than Swords) in Zoo". You posted some nonsense about Death and Taxes (which I don't give a shit about) because... why? I wasn't sure if you were referring to it in a different deck, so calm down.
It truly is amazing how much of an effort you make it to NOT post a straight answer Finn.
Have i ever mentioned, that despite how idiotic some posts sound, and how big of assholes we are to each other, that i love you guys?
And Kird Ape is a hoss. I found like FNM foil ones thank god. I'm getting so close to finishing pimping my Zoo deck. For a poor kid I'm doing well.
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Originally Posted by jimmerz213
While we are at it, I'll play Wild Mongrel instead of Tarmogoyf to spite you.
/sarcasm.
Really? I read the bolded part and just realized that you have no clue WHY these boards exist. We argue not to make the other person follow our ideas only, but so they post their ideas to counter our own. By doing this, we find out which cards are optimal and which cards aren't. This isn't a causal forum, it's Legacy Tournament Decks. If you disagree and argue/discuss why you think that with the purpose of optimizing the deck, that's great!
On the other hand, if all you do is say "let him do his thing, and you do your thing" with no reasoning behind it, that's bad and makes me question you: Why you are here?
Someone missed nap time...Quote:
Originally Posted by DragoFireheart
These boards are here to share ideas like you say they are, not to shove your cock down people's throat like you're doing.
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Originally Posted by beastman
That's exactly what I said. At no point did I ever say "lol, only noobs play Swords".
Looks like someone missed English class. :tongue:
*Sigh*
You just don't get it...
People are getting angry at you because you refuse to drop the argument on StP and PtE. You've put in your arguments and reasoned out why you like path. Now drop it, its going nowhere.
I retract my earlier post.
If people are seriously getting angry because of some discussion, they have serious issues. Anyways, you should speak for yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by beastman
Finn posted a response and I asked him to clarify since I was confused. He made a post about Death and Taxes and Path to Exile for some reason. He posts a /facepalm when I ask him again if he tested it in Zoo. I don't understand the point of his post, since it didn't really answer my question.
None of my comments were aimed at you: I was waiting for Finn to reply since I wanted his experience with using Path. Unless you are a mod, telling me to stop posting isn't going to hold any water.Quote:
You've put in your arguments and reasoned out why you like path. Now drop it, its going nowhere.
Anyways, unless you want to stay on topic and discuss Zoo, I'm done discussing The Source drama with you.
Ok, Ill give you that. I was a little crass with what I said. Im not going to run swords to spite you, Im going to run swords because of the points I have made time and time again about me running them over Paths. This is one of the more recent ones, which Im assuming you read.
And the reason that I personally am getting annoyed is that your only real rebuttal to anyone mentioning Swords is "Have you TRIED Path" or some derivation there-of. Thats not a sound argument. And before you get all upset and such again, I know you have posted your arguments before (Ive also read them) but as of late, all your doing is forcing your point down our throats like its the only "right" option.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmerz213
Frankly, Im done debating this whole issue and you guys can continue if you want, but Im tired of it.
@Lox, FnM ones? Cmonnn you gotta run the old school Arabian Nights originals! Foils are cool, but AN are cooler!
I haven't forced anything down anyone's throat. If you look, I actually acknowledged the point you made about swording your own creatures and agreed with you. If anything, it seems as though OTHER people were trying to force things.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmerz213
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Originally Posted by Finn
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Originally Posted by DragoFireheart
There is some amount of tact in debating, and these types of responses really just aggravate people, without adding much to discussion. It isn't just one person or side either, but really the arguments are starting to devolve into a personal battle, if they haven't reached that already. It gets us nowhere. I don't want to be an adjudicator, but people need to calm down in general.Quote:
Originally Posted by DragoFireheart
(And while I've tried to format this post it seems like the debate has gotten a little more civil. Go faith in humanity.)
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Originally Posted by Valtrix
Like I said, I'm done debating The Source drama. If Finn wants to discuss his experience with path in Zoo he's free too. If not, oh well.
The thing is, as some mentioned, is that you can burn Goyf in the first 2-3 turns since he still hasn't had time to grow. Having a Lightning Bolt negated by a Swords is a 2-1 all of the time, while the land Path gives isn't always an issue.Quote:
It was in this testing that the discovery was made that path was near uncastable in the early turns of the game. The natural reaction to this is that the deck plays burn spells and Finn quickly learned how inneffective burn is in dealing with a goyf(which is the most popular creature in the format). With out the ability to burn out a goyf, which then pretty much halts the creature rush, then you are forced to path the goyf giving your opp. A free rampant growth. Had the path been a swords the 2-3 life gain would have been negated in an attack step.
Due to the popularity of tarmogoyf the relevance of the downside of the early path to exile is exposed as burn us not enough to remove obsticles in your creatures way.
As much as the example of using burn to clear the way why would you not use your creature removal that doesn't double as reach.
How would it lead to game loss? Sure, if this was a control deck I could understand, but since this is a fast aggro deck you kill them before they get the chance to capitalize on that land.Quote:
The point in this rant is that early path to exile in the format called legacy will directly lead to a gameloss, whereas a late swords to plowshares might leave you a few damage short of killing the opp.
If this deck gets into the late game, it most likely has lost already. Giving someone an extra land late game isn't going to affect the board much since most decks curve at 4 or 5 CC at most. However, life gain from Swords will always hinder the speed that Zoo can kill someone, late or early game.Quote:
This whole argument is will vs might and it is very debateable and situational that a late game path is worse than a late game swords.