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I thinking to drop out Maverick for a while until meta stabilize so I could pick up correct MD Toolbox and SB - don't like to predict without any data - anyway I'm sure that in new meta this deck will exist - we just have to adjust to new/old strategies. As i said before - the best side of this deck is consistence of the bombs and resilient to any opponent other bombs.
I will leave Swords in for their confidants and for gaining life at instant speed if need be. This may be a mistake. Against Tide/Hive, they're out, obviously.Quote:
Originally Posted by leeties
If I'm zenithing for cc=2, I'm not grabbing Ooze or Pridemage, but Teeg every time.
My issue with batterskull/equipment is that playing Mystic on turn 2 is a terrible play when you're trying to disrupt them. Even T2 Hate, T3 Mystic, T4 batterskull, T5 attack with skull will lose most of the time. I would support the batterskull plan only in a bant version that can interact on the stack during the first few turns.
I feel that without Leyline, ANT will take your hate right out of your hand on turn 1, and TES will chant you on your turn to prevent you from playing permanent hate.
I love Thrun and used to SB 2 of him before the ban for the Stoneblade matchups. I don't think 1 is enough since you want to cast him from your hand. He's too slow and not powerful enough against Zoo, as by the time he's out, you'll be close to death and they can topdeck burn for your face. I like him in the CB matchup, but want two. He's solid against junk, but they'll probably have 4/5 or better Goyfs, KOTR's, or batterskull. Also, what I'm worried about most in that matchup is a 20/20 indestructible flyer. However, I want to send Thrun to Karakas in response to Wrath of God/Perish at least once in my life, so I might squeeze him in until that happens.
What exactly are this deck's bad match ups including misstep being gone now? Just combo? If that's it, I'm definitely playing this deck. How's Goblins, Merfolk, Zoo, BUG, Stoneblade, and Countertop? Those are the ones I am interested in most really.
BUG and Stoneblade? Where? Without misstep they are too slow as they were before misstep was printed. Countertop was dead before misstep too, I think there is no reason to change.
Look at High tide, ANT, elves and classic as zoo, merfolks, goblins.
The first pile will kill you easily any time.
I believe Maverick has very good MU against them. Against Elves - it depends on how fast can we equip Jitte/SoFI to Mirran Crusader or a flying creature.Quote:
zoo, merfolks, goblins
Elves is a terrible MU. Combo or aggro variants. I play aggro elves tons, and it just smashes Maverick pretty easily unless you connect with a Jitte before their Priest/Archdruid untaps, even then they have tons of way to interact with the Jitte (Shaman, Symbiote/Quirion + Arbor). I can't think of a real blowout card for elves in GW. Ethersworn Cannonist does wonders against the combo version though.
You can cater your SB to have a good High Tide MU, and a solid ANT MU :).
edit: DBLE POST
Thanks, that's what I wanted to know aside from the Countertop thing. Anyone who thinks Stoneblade is dead because of a Misstep banning didn't bother testing obviously. That deck is still incredibly strong. It's what I play normally. I just want a change of pace. I figure Dreadstill is going to be back now that it can cast a Dreadnought again without such a fight over it. So I wondered the most about that one. It can't be too bad with Pridemages, but this deck plays so few answers to a Dreadnought, it made me wonder.
2-3x PridemageQuote:
Originally Posted by dahcmai
4x Green Sun's Zenith
4x Swords to Plowshares
That's too few answers to Dreadnought? Plus more in the board?
Haha. Yes, Dreadnought is the least of our worries.
Heh, I keep forgetting about Zenith. Good point. That card wasn't printed yet when I played GW Survival which this deck is a lost descendant of.
This might sound stupid, but has anyone given Garruck Primal Hunter a shot? His card draw was stupid amazing in Standard. I'd love to have it here, but I fear his CC is too much to handle.
Im really puzzled by the loss of the Bant thread. Since its GW/x Maverick as the title of the thread suggests, is the Bant variant allowed to be discussed here?
The Aggro Bant thread can be found here: http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...t-Aggro/page21Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ_JKidd
You can discuss the x in GW/x is usually a very light blue splash, usually adding one Tropical Island for Rhox War Monk, Edric, and/or Rafiq (and previously Mental Misstep).
Alright, they have banned Misstep.
That's bad for Maverick since it'll invite players to play our bad matchups and we don't have the sweet card ourselves anymore. Now what? Well, I've added black (but stayed close to original Maverick builds) coming up with the following:
3 Noble Hierarch
1 Birds of Paradise
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Dark Confidant
2 Tarmogoyf
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Eternal Witness
3 Stoneforge Mystic /20
4 Thoughtseize
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Swords to Plowshares
3 Vindicate
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Sword of Feast and Famine /18
1 Forest
4 Bayou
2 Savannah
2 Scrubland
4 Windswept Heath
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Wasteland
1 Maze of Ith /22 //60
Sideboard:
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Vindicate
2 Duress
2 Entlightened Tutor
1 Aethersworn Canonist
1 Nihil Spellbomb
1 Null Rod
1 Warmth
1 Dueling Grounds
1 Phyrexian Metamorph /15
Runs pretty nicely.
What do you guys think?
Isn't this pretty much Junk with both Mystic Package and GSZ?
I think that Vindicate is completely unnecessary in this deck. Thoughtseize and Dark Confidant are gravy, but Vindicate is something that doesn't seem to gel well with the Maverick core. In essence I see adding Thoughtseize as an addition piece of disruption, and Dark Confidant as a source of card advantage.
I would also modify the manabase thus:
2 Bayou
2 Scrubland
3 Savannah
1 Plains
1 Forest
And cut Maze of Ith. This would free up some slots to play Teeg and Scavenging Ooze maindeck, which also provide additional disruption. We already have enough answers for Artifacts/Enchantments (QPM), creatures (StP/Equipment & KotR), but a way to interact with spells. Thoughtseize does this wonderfully.
Cutting mother of runes seems very retarded. The card is just too good to not run in a deck that is this dependant on its creatures living. It also is half of our best combo against all forms of combo decks.
GW decks arent going anywhere. Have you ever tried playing gw mirror where the other guy has active mother and you don't?
I mean, have you ever played the card at all? You should try it. It's surprisingly good.
For the love of god give me a matchup that is relevant where she is bad?
Merfolk? They actively force her.
Storm? Don't worry yoda, mom is here.
High tide? Hive Mind? Mommy protects you little one. Good thing you were so easy to find with all these tutors that have mommys picture in them.
Control decks that have lots of removal. I think this is self explanatory.
Zoo? Yes she will take you to look at the little funny animals. Dont worry you are safe with her, she wont let them bite you.
And in case you were wondering, no lands is still not a deck. No matter what you ban.
Junk is a different animal, but as long as you consider your deck maverick you should really consider why the fuck you are not running a set of mother of runes.
Actually I didn't cut Mother of Runes. I never played it.
Too many matchups in which it's just a 1/1 for 1.
For Vindicate: it supports land destruction, clears the way for our critter sand it cleans up Planeswalkers. I don't see why that card would ever be bad. And I would never cut Maze of Ith in this deck. It's one of the best cards if you play a full set of Knights of the Reliquary.
It seems true that my list looks like Junk/The Rock/Dark Horizons, but in many ways it's different. I still play 8 turn 1 mana accellerators, and I still play a creature based aggro deck with an equipment package. That;s all very typical for Maverick. Junk/Rock-like decks play more discard, more removal, and NO equipment package. If they do, they don't understand the nature of the deck. At least, that's the way I see it.
Deviant, excuse my ignorance, but I'm new to these posts. What is the other half of "our best combo" against combo decks? Mom and Teeg?Quote:
Originally Posted by deviant
Secondly, Against Storm, High Tide, and Hive Mind, are you using Mom to keep Teeg on the board?
Finally, what are you guys running against Emarkul/Progenitus? Sneak Attack, Elves combo with Emarkul, Show and Tell, Natural Order, etc.? I realize Karakas takes out Emarkul (if you have active KotR - turn 4 on play, their turn 5 on draw (I find that on draw, KotR is just too slow, they can S&T on turn 2 with City of Traitors/Ancient Tomb (I guess you could have a KotR in hand and put that in play, too))). What do we run against these protected fatties? Ensnaring Bridge?
Recently, it's been:Quote:
Originally Posted by Water_Wizard
Phyrexian Metamorph
Oblivion Ring
Tariff
Phantasmal Image
But Ensnaring Bridge could work too.