Black splash, with DRS and Bump in the Night, was once a dominating build of Burn!:tongue:
However, that was in Modern, when DRS was legal.
That does not belong to legacy.
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Black splash, with DRS and Bump in the Night, was once a dominating build of Burn!:tongue:
However, that was in Modern, when DRS was legal.
That does not belong to legacy.
What is better against the current meta? Burn or UR Delver? Why?
Thanks to bigwerds for the part of the article, where you explain what kind of niche the burn deck exploits.
Pretty much sums up the way I was behaving with and understanding the burn deck intuitively.
(That moment when you sling two fireblasts in response to a top activation when the miracle player feels totally save and suddenly feels the urgent need to flip the table...)
Also thanks to both Crimson Viper and bigwerds for the great weighting on the Crypt vs Marcabre topic.
Both illustrate a great understandig of the game and its great to have them written down.
Could feline maybe link them in the opening post?
edit: ofc treasure cruise was banned because splashing it into almost anything (including burn) could have been considered reasonable.
Two Burn decks made it top20 at SCG Syracuse, did anyone noticed? Nicholas Herbs placed 14th with Monastery Swiftspear and Jacob Shannon placed 7th with a Classic List.
It's nice to see the deck doing well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chatto
I just came across an interesting list from a Grand Prix Kyōto Trial. The single copy of Sensei's Divining Top interests me. Has anyone tested this substantially?
How about a 121-person tournament?Quote:
Originally Posted by Krimson Viper
Sure, that's why I said "or more." Note that that deck list is from early last year, before Eidolon, and it doesn't look like there's been any success since.
That Deathburn list seemed interesting, and I'd thought about something similar for a long time. I like the idea of Duress & Toxic Deluge as SB options.
I was wondering if anyone's ever tried out Blightning? You get a lot of value in one card, especially fighting through blue or combo.
5 and 6 rounders, but top 8s in March of 2015 and July of 2014, with Eidolon and Deathrite:Quote:
Originally Posted by Krimson Viper
http://tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=16494&iddeck=123432
http://tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=14232&iddeck=104883
Thirty four and twenty eight man tournaments. I chose forty not because of rounds, but because of a larger variety of player skill and archetypes. Larger tournaments forces you to cater to what's more popular and sideboard choices are effected further. You can have silver bullets specifically at your store for certain people and their decks. You can not do so at bigger venues.
I'm aware. Which is where that 121-person tournament comes in. I have a feeling that if another list topped a 100-plus-person tournament, you'd say that it didn't mean anything because it only happened twice. Give the variant a break; there are probably 3 people in the world bringing it to tournaments. It has gotten results, and there is sound reasoning behind the choices. You have to look at both analysis and results to truly evaluate a new idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krimson Viper
Well, I must say: the lists seems to be performing quiet well. I'm going to try it when I got the time.
@LOLWut
If you think the deathrite deck is good play it. No one is twisting your arm to not test it. The performances you've posted are either small tourneys or dated but if you can go do well at a large tournament with it awesome. In the mean time mono-red is putting up numbers and I'd imagine will continue to do so.
Hey guys, I'm from the same state here in Brazil that Marcos Morelli, the guy who played the 2 top8 with jund burn, and I also play the same championship as him.
He made a deck tech video about it along with a MTG youtube channel, but it's in portuguese.
The things he said that were the difference about the usual mono-red build was that he was much better at handling combo decks, and he also was able to pass through leyline of sanctity, energy field, etc, with non-targeting life loss from deathrite shaman and tyrant's choise. He stated that aggro decks are usually ok to pretty good matches for burn already, so he made that a little weaker (getting more susceptible to wasteland and mana-screw) to benefit the combo matches.
I'm not saying do it or not, actually I wasn't even going to post, but I saw that list and thought that was really a huge coincidence.
Here's the link to Marcos Morelli's deck tech about Jund Burn, in portuguese:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1WUsRVeqIM
I am giving the deck a break, but I want results before I put money into tournament tickets. I'm sure there are more than two to three people playing the deck in the entire world. In fact, I'm sure that TCDecks.net doesn't even list -every- tournament that happens, close to it though. I would be more than happy to eat my words if multicolored Burn decks were to make it because then I get to play with various versions of my favorite deck, but I have neither the time, nor money to play with unconfirmed decks and will let others do that testing for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by LOLWut
I am very open to ideas. For Pete's sake, I used to pilot The Walking Dead! I'm simply tired of being tier two or worse.
Also, this.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigwerdz
This is awesome. By any chance, does your friend speak English like yourself, or no? I'm sure people here would like to ask questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThiefSlayer
How can we deal with Kor Firewalker/Circle of Protection: Red?
We don't worry about cards like those because legacy is not a format where people walk into a tournament with burn in mind. This is also why burn can never be tier1, because it is too easy to beat with hate cards. The problem was in the cruise era when people played firewalker against u/r delver and we got hit with splash damage... but now who plays him ? My answer is if people start playing circle of protection or kor firewalker just play another deck.... there are some answers like pyrite spellbomb to kill firewalker, skullcrack after he blocked to remove damage prevention, sulfuric vortex prevents lifegain, pithing needle for circle of protection .... but overall they are too difficult to beat and force you to put narrow/suboptimal cards in your deck.
Well, I play exclusively MODO (paper is too expensive for me), so on that vein any advice would be appreciated.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeoCop 90
Well, in general i think skullcrack is a decent maindeckable card against both firewalker (hope they block one of your creatures with him, then cast skullcrack and he will die because the damage dealt to him can't be prevented by his protection from red) and circle of protection (just hold spells in hand until you have a big turn when you cast skullcrack first and then burn him to death).
Other, more narrow answers could be pyrite spellbomb or cursed scroll as ways to kill firewalker that also can go to your opponent's face, and pithing needle against circle. Also flaring pain does a decent repeatable skullcrack effect, but unfortunately it deals no damage. You can also try jamming 4 leylines of punishment in your board.
As i said though, most of these answers are suboptimal cards and i would not feel comfortable knowing that i have to play against firewalker or circle of protection often.
Firewalker isn't as scary in Legacy as compared to Modern because we have Sulfuric Vortex that stops life gain. Circle is another issue however. Depending on your meta and how large it is, take a look at Pithing Needle. It stops various other cards like Sneak Attack, Jace, SFM, Batterskull, Jitte, and a myriad of other great cards against us.
As for piloting the deck, against Miracles, don't suspend your Rift Bolts and don't send Shusher in for an attack unless you know it's safe. Aggressively mull against combo decks for your hate pieces. Think your turns through and try and think of steps two or more turns ahead. Burn is a good deck to pick up and get some wins in, but it's a hard deck to master. Siding in more than three cards that deal no damage or take you away from your main objective is probably a bad idea.
And always remember, Burn wins off of redundancy, don't be surprised if it doesn't "get you there" in some games. Primer really needs an update. I go here and http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/t...ro/488613-burn There have been some really choice information in that thread the last five pages or so.