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Wow,
Wasteland is getting out of hand. Unfortunately, I don't know how its price is going to go down. Okay, everyone play single color decks for the next 6 months, together we can decrease the playability of the card.
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My theory is that the reason that these stores raising buy prices of duals/Forces/Wastelands etc. may be because they need to get them into stock to attract Eternal customers to their stores in the first place. I don't know about anyone else, but when I buy singles I buy in bulk - a couple of dual lands and then some odd cards to finish off playsets - a Standstill, a Pernicious Deed or 2 Red Elemental Blasts, for example. If the stores can secure a customer deciding to buy a dual land from their store then they've got them on their site or at their store, and the chances of them deciding to buy more Eternal cards they may need (hell, even Standard cards) becomes higher once you've got them hooked on buying a dual from you. Then you can make the margains on these lesss expensive cards (which you can buy for less) better and make more profit. But the stores have to get the players wanting, no, needing, to come to their stores in the first place because maybe that's the only place they can source the duals they want from.
For example, if I want an Underground sea and genericmagiccardshop.com doesn't have it but awesomewellstockedmagiccardshop.com does, I will buy it from the latter, and if I need anything else ancilliary I will likely buy it from the latter store to save on shipping costs, unless it's grossly overpriced. The latter store has got my business because it had that chase card in stock, and has profited from me buying a whole heap of other cards at the same time, almost as an afterthought. If the margains are good on those cards, it's pretty tasty for the store. And I believe that the margains for common/uncommon playables for Eternal would be very good (someone correct me if I'm wrong).
But have the margains changed much in terms of dollar value and percentage from when Force of Will was selling for $50 and now selling for $75? I don't remember what they were buying them for when they were selling for $50, can anyone shed some light?
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Originally Posted by
ramanujan
Wow,
Wasteland is getting out of hand. Unfortunately, I don't know how its price is going to go down. Okay, everyone play single color decks for the next 6 months, together we can decrease the playability of the card.
That's a possibility. I wonder if Blood Moon and Back to Basics also increased??
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Originally Posted by
Pippin
so... people still blaming SCG for price spikes?
Troll and Toad is currently buying NM Wastelands for $60, and NM Force of Will's for also $60. They are buying every dual for mothan SCG, except for Volcanic. :eek:
Holy cow, $95 buy price for Underground Sea?! Time for me to cash in.
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Yeah, I'm never ever getting back into Legacy.
I'll play with borrowed stuff (and I do, and I do well at tourneys) but I will never be able to buy a deck again.
*shrug*
Never thought it'd get this bad.
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Originally Posted by pandaman
For example, if I want an Underground sea and genericmagiccardshop.com doesn't have it but awesomewellstockedmagiccardshop.com does, I will buy it from the latter, and if I need anything else ancilliary I will likely buy it from the latter store to save on shipping costs, unless it's grossly overpriced. The latter store has got my business because it had that chase card in stock, and has profited from me buying a whole heap of other cards at the same time, almost as an afterthought. If the margains are good on those cards, it's pretty tasty for the store. And I believe that the margains for common/uncommon playables for Eternal would be very good (someone correct me if I'm wrong).
But what about when the card is absurd at both places and you buy from eBay to save ~5-10 dollars.
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I'm starting to wonder if it's worth it to cash out and call it good. I love this game, but man, everyone is talking about all these price increases. How far can this go? I have a ton of stuff. I have no clue what it would be worth if cashed in, but I am really starting to think it's worth it to go ahead and do it. I'm sure I'd be mortgage free afterwards and that's really, really enticing. This is crazy.
Sadly, I think I am going to add it up and decide. If it's over 100k, I will. What has become of this game?
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death
That's a possibility. I wonder if Blood Moon and Back to Basics also increased??
Not Blood Moon - it was printed and reprinted four times.
Heck, I even have a foil one that's worth next to nothing.
EDIT: Doran, the Siege Tower is at 30 $!
http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=p5197.m570.l1311&_nkw=doran+the+siege+tower&_sacat=See-All-Categories
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dahcmai
I'm starting to wonder if it's worth it to cash out and call it good. I love this game, but man, everyone is talking about all these price increases. How far can this go? I have a ton of stuff. I have no clue what it would be worth if cashed in, but I am really starting to think it's worth it to go ahead and do it. I'm sure I'd be mortgage free afterwards and that's really, really enticing. This is crazy.
Sadly, I think I am going to add it up and decide. If it's over 100k, I will. What has become of this game?
You've got way more stuff than me but we were in that thread a while ago before "Price Hike 2.0" started. What is starting to shock me is the actual return you can potentially make by speculating or cashing out duals. I can tell you that my ~$1000 I paid for a dual playset has more than doubled in value in 10 years. That is a 100% increase. I wouldn't put my savings into this cardboard but it is the only hobby I would ever have that I am pretty damn sure I at least hit break even on in $ due to the value increase of many of my cards even when factoring in tournaments, and buying cards like Promo Meddling Mages that aren't worth more than $5 now.
BTW you illustrated my walk away price explanation in the other thread perfectly. For your sake I hope it is whatever brings you the most happiness.
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dahcmai
What has become of this game?
umm, it's now quite old, played internationally - and enjoyed by many many of thousands - collectable and certain items are relatively scarce
when these scarce items are also heavily demanded - and required in multiple copies - they will have some value
but put it in perspective - is a few thousand dollars really a lot of money over time?
mtg players always (and have always) complain about price - there's a certain pleasure in this sort of whining - and frequently want something for nothing
that's completely unrealistic, gotta pay to play
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It's just becoming a debate of "do I destroy my favorite hobby?" as compared to having financial freedom. That's a huge question for anyone my age. I'm 39 btw.
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Originally Posted by
Pippin
so... people still blaming SCG for price spikes?
Troll and Toad is currently buying NM Wastelands for $60, and NM Force of Will's for also $60. They are buying every dual for more than SCG, except for Volcanic. :eek:
Probably the best april fool ever
but if not - i'm gonna sell a lot of my cards)
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Shursh
Probably the best april fool ever
but if not - i'm gonna sell a lot of my cards)
Maybe, but most likely not since the list was updated on March 31st, not on april fool's day :eyebrow:
I'm personally waiting for ebay to catch up with some of the prices, and if it does - there goes part of my collection. Good thing (if there is a good thing about this situation) is that lots of cards will be cleared out of closets and basements and will end up in hands of those that want to pay the ridiculous price tags and actually play the game instead of speculate.
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Pippin
Maybe, but most likely not since the list was updated on March 31st, not on april fool's day :eyebrow:
They've update the list at 6pm, best way to set buylist online all night long.
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Shursh
They've update the list at 6pm, best way to set buylist online all night long.
hm? The list was actually updated early in the morning on 31st of March, EST time. That would make it afternoon in Europe's time, and even more in Russia.
In my opinion, this is nowhere near the april fool's day joke since it would make no business sense to them + look at their sell prices (Wasteland for $80). They most likely just wanted to get their stock full really fast.
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Maybe they're stocking up for Grand Prix Amsterdam?
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The list was actually updated early in the morning on 31st of March, EST time.
This is insane, if it actually happens
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God these prices are fucking insane. I need 2 more Wastelands to finish off my 3rd set. Do I buy now? Since it is like a mega-hyper format staple it might be reprinted at some point in a box set. Man, I don't know.
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Stop complaining if you have more than one set. Its people like you who make it so expensive.
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Nelis
Stop complaining if you have more than one set. Its people like you who make it so expensive.
On the plus side, its more incentive for people to get rid of excess sets as well. I'm gonna try to unload my extra set of Wastelands for a couple Jaces this weekend. Already unloaded 2 extra SoFaI I had as well for Legacy playables I needed.
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Is TES the cheapest tier deck in the format, now?
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Dredge is very likely cheaper.
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Nessaja
Dredge is very likely cheaper.
I haven't been keeping up with some decks, is Dredge still winning a lot?
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SCG is no longer buying them at $43, I believe it's just $35 now. Now time to laugh at the other stores buying at $60 and end up not being able to make good profit margins. MWAHAHAA. I seriously doubt these online retailers put in as much effort as SCG does wworking out profit margins and stocking/emptying inventory. Their website shows :P Oh god I'm starting to trollz!
(I don't see wastelands ever going higher than $70 in the next month. Period. In the next year maybe but not in a month).
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My local store raised the prices on all of the legacy cards they have last week.
Underground Sea was $81, now $110
Tundra was $76, now $91
Bayou was $51, now $73
a beat-to-shit Wasteland with whitening and shuffle creasing is at $53.
Tarmogoyf was $55, now $70
Force of Will was $50, now $75.
There are others that spiked in price but I forgot by how much.
It's pretty intimidating to new players or players thinking about converting from Standard to look on the other side of the counter and see price tags like this. I guess on the bright side of things, most people that play T2 that I know are complete douchebags and I wouldn't want to be sitting across from them anyway. This is probably a good thing because this leaves Legacy a format in which only mature people with a job and decent cash flow can participate.
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Wasteland is getting out of hand IMO.
I bought them late last summer (in the thick of the SCG Open season) for a little under $25 a pop. I'm almost at the point where they are worth more than double, in less than 1 year's time.
IMO, some chase uncommons need to show up as a reprint in an Event deck ala Standard's RDW, but for Legacy.
Event deck: Merfolk anyone?
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who has an arrow and just bought a foil decree of pain for $11
<--this guy
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rukcus
Wasteland is getting out of hand IMO.
I bought them late last summer (in the thick of the SCG Open season) for a little under $25 a pop. I'm almost at the point where they are worth more than double, in less than 1 year's time.
IMO, some chase uncommons need to show up as a reprint in an Event deck ala Standard's RDW, but for Legacy.
Event deck: Merfolk anyone?
This would be sweet. I believe nothing on Vial Goblins, Merfolks or even Death and Taxes are on the Reserved List. Hell, they can even do Dredge!
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(nameless one)
This would be sweet. I believe nothing on Vial Goblins, Merfolks or even Death and Taxes are on the Reserved List. Hell, they can even do Dredge!
Not unless you're splashing in the tribal decks! I thought Karakas was reserved, but it appears I was wrong:
http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/art.../reprintpolicy
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It feels really good looking at my immaculate Wastelands right now, I paid like $2 for a playset back then.
Barely used them in my unpowered Vintage Oath and proxied MUD.
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sdematt you're such an ass but such a genius at the same time :) That's the best way to get people questioning eternal price jumps and how ridiculous the situation is.
http://www.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/083778.html
And +1000 posts from me aka I have no life and need to get off the forums :P
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I remember a time when asking those prices would have been greedy (and it's not that long ago).
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Metalwalker
SCG is no longer buying them at $43, I believe it's just $35 now. Now time to laugh at the other stores buying at $60 and end up not being able to make good profit margins. MWAHAHAA. I seriously doubt these online retailers put in as much effort as SCG does wworking out profit margins and stocking/emptying inventory. Their website shows :P Oh god I'm starting to trollz!
(I don't see wastelands ever going higher than $70 in the next month. Period. In the next year maybe but not in a month).
What are you on about? SCG wasn't buying Wastelands for $43, but first for $30, then they raised it to $33, and now it's currently sitting at $35. So it's just going up
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LegacyInferno
a 35 dollar common that has a symbol on it for Mirrodin Pure, since mirrodin pure won't exisit it becomes a highly collectable piece. since there are a very limited number of this card. since only the stores who participated in games day, and there was only two cards given to each store with each symbol. Look at the blue hurrican for example its roughly 5000 dollars? why because it is limited in run and print so it drives the prices up. this card is collectable for that very reason and it's only sitting at 35 on ebay at the moment. so it wouldn't surprise me this fetching near or around 40-60 dollars momentarly. Since even wizards said one card will be in, the other will be out.
Whoa there Kemo Sabe, settle them horses. A Pristine Talisman will never reach the legendary tier of a blue hurricane in a million years. This thing is about as useful as a Wyvern backed Elvish Hunter, but only half as cool. Unless that's your auction up there, I see no reason to get that excited.
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I thought it was a great way to shake up the boards and get people thinking about exactly what the hell's going on with the market. Hopefully my post made you all think a little.
-Matt
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Wasteland is getting out of hand IMO.
I bought them late last summer (in the thick of the SCG Open season) for a little under $25 a pop. I'm almost at the point where they are worth more than double, in less than 1 year's time.
Hell, I bought them for less than $25 a piece two months ago and others were buying them for as little as $18 a piece at that time. The rate of price increase on Wasteland has been minuscule until recently, the madness has all happened during the last couple of months.
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One of my Wastelands has the word "Stabilizer" written in sharpy on the back of it. Someone used it as a proxy. That should give you an indication of how long I have had my set of wastelands! They were probably worth less than $5 in trade value at the time, and if I remember correctly the "Stabilizer" one was worth next to nothing when I traded for it. I wonder how much the "stabilizer" one is worth now :)
One more fun story: There used to be a local card shop that I would frequent. They had this card dispenser machine where you would put a few quarters in a slot and push the lever in and it would spit out a random batch of cards that the store had put together. In the front of the machine there was a glass display with a few of the nicer cards that would tempt you to try your luck at the machine. I remember that two of the cards were a Force of Will and a Dual Land. I asked the shop owner if I could just buy the cards in the front of the display. He let me and I specifically remember the FOW costing $9 and the dual was $10. Lol. That was a long time ago. I still have that FOW. I don't remember which dual it was.
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Makes you wonder what would happen if one of those "hoarder" type collectors dumped all at once. There are people who actually have several hundred copies, if not thousands of some cards due to dealing in them back when card shows were the place to get stuff as opposed to the internet. Some of those guys could drop the price to virtually nothing overnight.
I knew one guy who had an entire bedroom full of cards. Literally, to the ceiling, boxes and boxes of old stuff. There's some people out there with entirely too much money and nothing to do with it.
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I know I don't qualify dahcmai, but my wife and I did an inventory of our assets last year and my cards were our number one. I wonder if I can get them insured.
