[Deck] Dragon Stompy

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Originally Posted by Whit3 Ghost

Actually, Trinisphere is awesome against any deck running blue because it drastically slows down their gameplan to basically a spell a turn. Turn one Trinisphere means that you can now cast your best spells in the next 2 turns without the threat of getting hit with counterspells and place your opponent on the defensive even more. Also, if you're having trouble with Blue, sideboard Boil.

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Actually we're not talking about any deck running blue. We're talking about control decks that in general run enough lands and higher cost spells to not care about a 3sphere especially after turn 2. When talking about a deck like Thresh that runs blue for cantrips and free counterspells 3sphere is good (this has already been established), but Thresh isn't a control deck. Please learn to read :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by DrtyDozen13

3sphere is not good against control.

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PS

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Originally Posted by Nihil Credo

NotScoopsToMoon.dec = god-awful MU

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This isn't always true. Chalice can wreck decks that aren't hurt by moon. And needle out of the board often fixes match ups with the NotScoopsToMoon.dec, and jitte often helps as well.

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Originally Posted by DrtyDozen13

We're talking about control decks that in general run enough lands to not care about a 3sphere especially after turn 2.

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After a turn one Trinisphere, that still two turns of no disruption. You can cast your best threats in this window with out having to bait or test for counters. After this window, they're still limited to one or two counter spells or card draw a turn. That severely eases the blow that blue disruption elements can inflict upon this deck.

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Originally Posted by DrtyDozen13

Actually we're not talking about any deck running blue. We're talking about control decks that in general run enough lands to not care about a 3sphere especially after turn 2. When talking about a deck like Thresh that runs blue for cantrips and free counterspells 3sphere is good (this has already been established), but Thresh isn't a control deck. Please learn to read :rolleyes:

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I believe my reading comprehension is perfectly fine. Blue based control still has to deal with a 3sphere after turn 3 because it forces them into the choice of either leaving counter mana up or trying to deal with your threats.

Also, how are you having trouble with MUC? Don't they run about 3 relevent cards in that matchup in Shackles and maybe their wincons if the can resolve them? If for some reason you have a ton of trouble in that matchup sideboard Boil like I said earlier. It makes Trinisphere even more ridiculous.

OK provided you get it in your opening hand and have the ability to play it that turn and your on the play you have a 2 turn window. On the draw a 1 turn window. Don't worry control won't miss its land drops and if it does you've won already. So after playing it you have to have a threat to play in that window and the ability to play it. The averages are against you especially the way this deck mulligans. MUC pays :u::3: for its draw and does it only when it doesn't need the mana for counter after your turn ends. After they have enough mana to play through a 3shpere, provided it resolved, it really doesn't do any thing to stop them. You may get lucky in some match ups, but most of the time it will just get countered or do nothing.

Never said i had troubles with MUC (again read, this is not a conversation about the MUC match up). You are correct, Boil is good against MUC (provided you can resolve it) and actually makes 3shere good, but I don't have space in my SB for it. 3sphere by itself does nothing to control.

It's not that I have anything against 3sphere, I've tried it and had crazy results with it. I've also played it and seen how bad it is outside of turn 2 and thats why it should only be played if its a game winner not just a speed bump. A speed bump is only good with a great hand.

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Originally Posted by DrtyDozen13

OK provided you get it in your opening hand and have the ability to play it that turn and your on the play you have a 2 turn window. On the draw a 1 turn window. So after playing it you have to have a threat to play in that window and the ability to play it. The averages are against you especially the way this deck mulligans. MUC pays :u::3: for its draw and does it only when it doesn't need the mana for counter after your turn ends. After they have enough mana to play through a 3shpere, provided it resolved, it really doesn't do any thing to stop them. You may get lucky in some match ups, but most of the time it will just get countered or do nothing.

Never said i had troubles with MUC (again read, this is not a conversation about the MUC match up). Boil is good against MUC (provided you can resolve it) and actually makes 3shere good, but I don't have space in my SB for it. 3sphere by itself does nothing to control.

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Then what are you talking about? You brought MUC into question as a deck that plays around 3sphere without much side effect when clearly, it doesn't, shutting down eot Brainstorm, Countermagic #2 and forcing them wait to drop Shackles until turn 6 or later. You bringing up the "if it resolves" clearly shows that it is of a high enough incentive for your opponent to counter. There is the aforementioned Trinisphere on turn one, which is obviously bad for them. You are also missing the fact that you can also get to 6 mana before they do and cast multiple spells on your turn which your opponent cannot answer. Trinisphere is good against control because it limits what your opponent can do and thus creates virtual card advantage which is usually exploited by either further disruption or a solid creature base both of which this deck has.

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Originally Posted by Whit3 Ghost

Then what are you talking about? You brought MUC into question as a deck that plays around 3sphere without much side effect when clearly, it doesn't, shutting down eot Brainstorm,

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Originally Posted by DrtyDozen13

MUC doesn't use cantrips

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... at least not good MUC decks. Cantrips are counterproductive since they provide only filtering and no real card advantage.

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Countermagic #2 and forcing them wait to drop Shackles until turn 6 or later.

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Vedalken Shackles costs :3: and hence doesn't care. If they plan on leaving mana open for counter they would have to have at least 5 open w/o 3sphere.

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You bringing up the "if it resolves" clearly shows that it is of a high enough incentive for your opponent to counter.

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Yeah but that goes for a threat cast at the same time (only a threat continues to be a problem where as a 3sphere eventually becomes irreverent). Early they will need to counter it. I've already said if your lucky enough to cast it at the right time it can be useful, but overall it sucks most of the time (most of the time being: drawing it after turn 2/not being able to play before turn 3).

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There is the aforementioned Trinisphere on turn one, which is obviously bad for them. You are also missing the fact that you can also get to 6 mana before they do Not generally true, MUC doesn't miss it's land drops ever, DS does... and cast multiple spells on your turn which your opponent cannot answer.

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If your holding back spells to play 2 in one turn they are collecting counters so they can counter multiple spells in one turn.

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Trinisphere is good against control WRONG because it limits what your opponent can do and thus creates virtual card advantage which is usually exploited by either further disruption or a solid creature base both of which this deck has.

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WRONG. It only provides a speed bump that if you do nothing during will do nothing to stop them from completing their game plan. Fast aggro hurts control more than big beats. Pithing needle is much better against control than 3sphere.

Really landstill (which hates your moons and needles) is the only control you really have to worry about and it really doesn't care about 3sphere. MUC is not good enough to worry this much about it. Now I'm not going to argue this anymore so don't bother responding to me, I will just ignore you. You can play a crap card in that MU if you would like, but at least I can say I tried to warn you.

What do you guys do with a hand that contains the following (and no other playable/relevant card):

City of Traitors, Taurean Mauler, Blood Moon, Mountain, Mountain


With a turn 1 play not possible, the chance of succesfully screwing over a fetchland has become small. You'll drop the Mountain, and in your second turn follow it up with the City.
But which of the two red cards do you drop?

Mauler: Advantages include a potentially bigger Mauler, it's a threat that deals damage. The biggest disadvantage is that it's not a lockpiece
Blood Moon: Advantages include it being a lockpiece that might potentially halt your opponent now before he finds what he needs to ignore it. Biggest disadvantages are that it's not a threat and it's 'slow' in that if your opponent can ignore it (e.g. most of the cards in his hand can be played with the basic he fetched in turn 1).

Of course it depends on your opponent and his/her deck. Assume he has the typical Legacy build of 6-8 Fetch and 4-8 Duals, the rest filled with basics.



Now people have argued the power of a turn 1 Chalice@1. How would you play this hand?

Chalice of the Void, City of Traitors, Mountain, Taurean Mauler (and nothing else that's relevant)


EDIT: Ow, and this one:
Mountain, Mountain, Arc-Slogger, Blood Moon, Rakdos Pit-Dragon, Chalice of the Void, Blood Moon

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Originally Posted by Mayk0l

What do you guys do with a hand that contains the following (and no other playable/relevant card):

City of Traitors, Taurean Mauler, Blood Moon, Mountain, Mountain

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Mountain, go. If he plays something that hints at Daze (Ponder/Top/Mongoose), add a second turn of Mountain, go. If he opens with a nonbasic or a nonblue fetchland, open with Blood Moon. If not, open with Mauler (either because Blood Moon is unlikely to be effective, or because you hope to bait a counterspell with it).

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Now people have argued the power of a turn 1 Chalice@1. How would you play this hand?

Chalice of the Void, City of Traitors, Mountain, Taurean Mauler (and nothing else that's relevant)

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Turn 1 Chalice, because with such a shitty hand I have to pray I get a blowout. By the way, I'm considering this as a 4-carder, because there is no such thing as an irrelevant card in your opener. For example, a pair of Sloggers would definitely switch me to the Mountain, Go plan (which significantly increases the chances of getting to cast them).

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EDIT: Ow, and this one:
Mountain, Mountain, Arc-Slogger, Blood Moon, Rakdos Pit-Dragon, Chalice of the Void, Blood Moon

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Mulligan on the play. On the draw, mulligan if your opponent kept his seven, and probably if he kept his six also (certainly if he looked happy with them, e.g. immediately said "keep").

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Originally Posted by DrtyDozen13

... at least not good MUC decks. Cantrips are counterproductive since they provide only filtering and no real card advantage.

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This is only true if you only generate CA/VCA from countermagic. If you have ways of generating card advantage (such as Shackles, EE, Powder Keg, etc) then cantrips are fine. Moreover, card selection is often extremely important in an archetype that typically has a very limited ability to remove resolved threats. The filtering provided by something like Impulse/Ponder/Brainstorm can be critical to finding the answer to resolved threats that let another class of draw spell (something like Ancestral Vision, Fact or Fiction, Thirst for Knowledge, etc) do its job later in the game.

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Vedalken Shackles costs :3: and hence doesn't care. If they plan on leaving mana open for counter they would have to have at least 5 open w/o 3sphere.

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Force of Will works at 3 mana. Force Spike and Spell Snare work at 4 mana. All of these are kicked to the curb by Trinisphere.

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Originally Posted by Mayk0l

What do you guys do with a hand that contains the following (and no other playable/relevant card):

City of Traitors, Taurean Mauler, Blood Moon, Mountain, Mountain

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I think you said is best it really depends on what you're playing and what you see them play first.

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Now people have argued the power of a turn 1 Chalice@1. How would you play this hand?

Chalice of the Void, City of Traitors, Mountain, Taurean Mauler (and nothing else that's relevant)

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City>chalice, turn 2 mauler... unless you know a chalice at 1 will be worthless, then mulligan into something more playable.

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EDIT: Ow, and this one:
Mountain, Mountain, Arc-Slogger, Blood Moon, Rakdos Pit-Dragon, Chalice of the Void, Blood Moon

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Against a deck that hates blood moon I would keep, but if moons are less valuable I would probably mulligan.

I am playing in a tourney next weekend and I am undecided if I am playing dragon stompy or Ichorid, if the grave hate is emminent, Im rocking stompy. This is the list Ive been testing

4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
10 Mountain

4 Chrome Mox
4 Simian Spirit Guide
3 Arc Slogger
2 Rakdos Pit Dragon
4 Gathan Raiders
3 Taurean Mauler
2 Sulfur Elemental
4 Magus of The Moon
3 Blood Moon
3 Trinisphere
4 Chalice of The Void
2 Umezawa's Jitte
4 Seething Song

SB:
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Trinisphere
1 Blood Moon
4 Pyroclasm
2 Powder Keg
3 Tormods Crypt
3 Pithing Needle

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Originally Posted by bruenor

3 Arc Slogger
2 Rakdos Pit Dragon

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WTF? There is one constant in DS, 4 x Arc Slogger and 4 x Rakdos Pit Dragon. I would also choose one or the other on Taurean Mauler and Sulfur Elemental. Other than that it looks solid, here is the list I ran at the last major legacy event in my area, I went 3-2 and had to leave.

4 Rakdos Pit Dragon
4 Gathan Raiders
4 Magus of The Moon
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Arc Slogger
3 Taurean Mauler

4 Chalice of The Void
3 Trinisphere
2 Blood Moon

4 Chrome Mox
4 Seething Song
2 Equipment (SoLS or Jitte)

4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
10 Mountain

Sideboard:
4 Pithing Needle
3 Tormod's Crypt
2 Blood Moon
1 Trinisphere
2 Ingot Chewer
1 Gaea's Blessing
2 Pyrokinesis

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Originally Posted by Wallace

WTF? There is one constant in DS, 4 x Arc Slogger and 4 x Rakdos Pit Dragon.

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Note in my post I stated "testing". I dont know about anyone else but alot of the time pit dragon is just a 3/3 for 4 mana. Ive been trying running more 3 drops in the place of 2 of them. Rakdos can end the game really quick if you drop him early and get hellbent, but alot of the time I still have cards in hand when I play him and he is less and less relevant. I have seen several lists that have top 8'd that dont run a full compiment of dragons/slogger.

Truth. The original list that Parcher top 2'd with only ran a couple dragons, and the list that I top 2'd with only ran 3 dragons.

4 Slogger is pretty important, though.

Yeah outside of jitte, slogger is your only removal run 4. As far as the dragon, I like 4 because it ends games fast and I have rarely had any problems getting it hellbent. Also it's ability to fly is useful sometimes as no other creature in the deck has evasion. for reference

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Originally Posted by bruenor

Note in my post I stated "testing". I dont know about anyone else but alot of the time pit dragon is just a 3/3 for 4 mana. Ive been trying running more 3 drops in the place of 2 of them. Rakdos can end the game really quick if you drop him early and get hellbent, but alot of the time I still have cards in hand when I play him and he is less and less relevant. I have seen several lists that have top 8'd that dont run a full compiment of dragons/slogger.

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Keep in mind he is a 3/3 with firebreathing for :2::r::r: and while your not always hellbent, he can still get the job done. Pit Dragon gives you a place to dump any extra :r: you have and can jump over opposing Goyf's. Arc Slogger can win a game by it's self, if I had a nickle for every time time Slogger just "wins" for me, I would have a shit load of nickles...

Ive tried a few configurations over the past few days. I think I have settled on this(barring last minute changes due to scouting)

4 Rakdos Pit Dragon
4 Gathan Raiders
4 Magus of The Moon
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Arc Slogger
4 Taurean Mauler
4 Chalice of The Void
4 Blood Moon
4 Chrome Mox
4 Seething Song
2 Umezawa's Jitte
4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
10 Mountain

SB:
4 Trinisphere(love having 4 against storm combo, but may drop one for something else)
4 Pithing Needle
3 Tormod's Crypt
3 Pyroclasm
1 Umezawa's JItte

So, other than looking at opening hands and it is apparent that this deck mulligans a bit, what are it's top 5 worst matchups?

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So, other than looking at opening hands and it is apparent that this deck mulligans a bit, what are it's top 5 worst matchups?

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Enchantress and Black discard decks are a big problem, Quinn The Eskimo- Aka, The Mighty Quinn is a bitch too. Those are the only 3 deck I have ever had a real problem with. Goyf Sligh turns bad after game 1, unless they are running main deck Grip, then game one is trouble too.

Im still going for MUC as a bad MU. But a lot of people disagree with me.

In no particular order:

Enchantress
Faerie Stompy
MUC
Aggro Loam
Tempo Thresh/Swan Combo Thresh/Red Thresh in General

MUC, enchantress, Loam (terrageddon/agro loam), goyf sligh, "Random_Crap.dec"

The first 2 are nearly winnable..

Loam can be a b*tch with deed+EE+STp+bigger critters, but they can be raced sometimes.

Goyf sligh is hard but winnable, they have litte or no effect from moon, chalice could stall them, but if you can slam with a jitte you usualy win (unless they grip it, in which case your trini/chalice will stick).


This deck really tends to lose against tier 7 decks with a higher curve, and few to no nonbascs, usually jitte wins these games...

I posted this in the tourney report side, but here it is for this thread:

Dragon Stompy takes 4th at Hadley 4x Sea Drake
Well Im awake enough and while the games are some what fresh in my memory and along with some sparse notes I take I can give the general idea of what happened in each game I played.

After picking up Holiday we venture forth to Mass, get there quite early. Grub up and get our lists sorted and get settled in for the tourney. Here's my list:

4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
10 Mountain
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Chrome Mox
4 Seething Song
4 Arc Slogger
4 Rakdos Pit Dragon
4 Taurean Mauler
4 Magus of the Moon
4 Gathan Raiders
3 Blood Moon
3 Trinisphere
4 Chalice of the Void

Board:
4 Pithing Needle
3 Pyroclasm
3 Tormod's Crypt
3 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Blood Moon
1 Trinisphere

Round 1 Steve Normandin playing 3 color control(featuring wrath of god/EE/ nivenyrral's disk)
Won Die Roll
Game 1:

Turn 1 trinisphere gets countered. I drop a turn 2 Mauler. Backed by a pit dragon 2 turns later. Get in for 16 with a bent dragon. GG

Board: Out 1 slogger/3 3sphere/1 dragon. In 1 Moon 4 needle

Game 2: I get a opening hand thats modest with a raiders in it and 2 needles. I play tomb, needle on EE, then needle on polluted delta. He gets a meddling mage naming blood moon. I drop my raiders get hellbent and start swinging. He bounces my needles via echoing truth. Wrath of god clears the board. I dont get anything useful. He hardcasts decree of justice for 2 4/4 angels while I am at 4 from mishra's factory beats. I scoop.

Game 3(no change to deck): Turn 2 moon. Followed by a hard cast spirit guide that takes him from 18 to 6 on its own. He counters everything I try to play. He stp's my guide, and then stp's a bent raiders. I get a magus on board and he cleans it up

2-1
2-0-0

Round 2: Nate Bowe with U/r Painter
He wins die roll
Game 1: He goes island go. I drop turn 1 chalice at one which resolves. Followed by turn 2 mauler, then a raiders a few turns later. Unfortunately, he is able to EE my chalice and then combo when he is at 2 life:tongue:

Board time!:out 3 Blood Moon and 1 arc slogger. In 4 needle

Game 2: I get turn 1 needle on grindstone. Dont have extensive notes here, but his life total gets taken down quick by a hellbent dragon who swings for 8 for the kill.

Game 3(no change): Turn 1 cotv at 1. Pit dragon does the job again nailing him for 4, then 8, then 6. GG:smile:

4-2
2-0-0

Game 3: Matt Mcnally UB Painter(just what I wanted 2 painter matches in a row:rolleyes: )
Think He won die roll
Game 1: He goes land go. Turn 2 3sphere. Turn 3 Magus. He doesnt get back into this one. Slogger gets out and seals the deal

Board: Out: 2 Dragon, 1 song, 1 slogger, 1 mauler, 1 raiders. In: 1 moon 1 3sphere 4 needle

Game 2: Turn 1 needle on grindstone. t2 moon. he is able to EE my needle away and combos while he is at 13.

Game 3(no change): Turn 1 3sphere. Turn 2 Magus followed by a bent raiders. 3 attack phases for 7 seals it

2-1
3-0-0

Round 4: Chris B with g/b/w Rock
I win roll

Game 1: I get turn 1 mauler followed by a raiders. He doesnt get in this game. I win quickly.

Board: out 3 3sphere, 1 dragon. IN 3 pyroclasm(i knew he was running bitterblossom), 1 Moon

Game 2: He doesnt get into this game either. Bent raiders followed by blood moon and magus seals it.

2-0
4-0-0

Round 5: ID
Round 6: ID

TOP 8!!!!
First Match: Joe Bernier with survival.
He wins Die roll:

Game 1. He goes fetch, crack it for forest pass. I play chrome mox pitching slogger, city. Seething song, Seething song, Pit Dragon 3 sphere pass. He takes 3 next turn from dragon, after I play a 2nd. They kill him turn 3.

Board: OUt 3 3sphere 2 slogger, 1 Mauler, 1 Raiders, 1 Dragon. In: 4 needle, 3 pyroclasm , 1 moon.

Game 2: I mull to 5. He thoughtseizes turn 1 I have Magus/Moon/Chalice in my hand. He rips magus. I drop chalice 1 on my turn. He plays land, survival, go. I drop blood moon, which screws him for green. He doesnt get a forest. I get a raiders that gets bent and wins it.

2-0
5-0-2

Top 4 against Geoff Smelski with I run Soooo many basic land landstill:tongue:

This matchup was tragic. He had TONS of basics that even if I resolved a moon effect it wouldnt have mattered much. He wins 2-0 (yeah I even ancient tombed myself to death instead of dying to his attack next turn) Take that!:tongue:

But Geoff was a very personable guy. It was a gruelling secong match if I hadnt drawn 4 land in a row at one point it would have maybe gone to 3 games.

Took cash value for $30
So I took 4th out of 50 players(not too shabby for my first competitive playing with this deck)...

Props: Chalice of the void and moon effects for being what they are(dont you change for nobody)
seething song for being busted
pit dragon, god I love you
mountains for being tech
off the wall games for being a chill place and having amazingly enough elbow room at their tables
me not having to face enchantress(whoot!)
trying sushi at the restaraunt across the way. good shit!

slops: basic lands:tongue: (ok, well when I dont play them)
burger king(why do I eat your garbage?, sure it tastes kinda good but man, my stomach)

Hoping to take D. Stompy to some more top 8's in the future...

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But Geoff was a very personable guy. It was a gruelling secong match if I hadnt drawn 4 land in a row at one point it would have maybe gone to 3 games..

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The Deck is cursed. In two of the tournaments I played it in I had similar problems. Go 4-0 and then drop out of the tournament in a good matchup simply because I get flooded twice (drawing 7 land in a row when you just need one threat). I guess that's the biggest weakness the deck has once you get past the first two rounds (and thus are free from the tier 7 basiclands.decs).

I guess the DS's strongest power is also it's biggest weakness, the topdeck mode.

After this tournament, how do you consider the Landstill MU to be? I never have found it to be that great.

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Originally Posted by Mayk0l

After this tournament, how do you consider the Landstill MU to be? I never have found it to be that great.

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Well, as I said he ran a TON of basic land. I would say 4 color is a better matchup than u/b/w, since most likely a moon effect will be highly disruptive to them. I would have to test the matchup more to get a percentage down but I cant see 3 color being in my favor unless stompy explodes turn 1 with double song 3sphere creature.

Has anyone considered running Null Brooch? Against landstill it stops wrath/EE from hitting and gets you hellbent. Seems like a maybe danger of cool things, but I dunno. 3 Sphere just doesnt cut it past turn 2-3 and you cant stop wrath any other way....

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Well, as I said he ran a TON of basic land. I would say 4 color is a better matchup than u/b/w, since most likely a moon effect will be highly disruptive to them. I would have to test the matchup more to get a percentage down but I cant see 3 color being in my favor unless stompy explodes turn 1 with double song 3sphere creature.

Has anyone considered running Null Brooch? Against landstill it stops wrath/EE from hitting and gets you hellbent. Seems like a maybe danger of cool things, but I dunno. 3 Sphere just doesnt cut it past turn 2-3 and you cant stop wrath any other way....

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4 Color is definitely way better than UW/b. In tournament play I haven't won a single game against UW/b, because your moons are really worthless, Chalice doesn't really hurt them and Humility just wrecks you.

http://sales.starcitygames.com//card...?product=38432

has anyone even thought of this as an option against landstill? Maybe some more firebreathing creatures could make this insane. Too bad it's only a 1/1, but the ability could be killer

Hmm. Seems weak. Basically turns off their ability to play spells with mana on your turn (they will just plow all their mana into a manland on their own turn to leave none untapped), except they can ignore it if they want to by sacrificing a land. And they can answer it with pretty much any kind of removal. I'd rather use Price of Glory -- if anything.

Why not just play winter orb against landstill? In older versions W-Orb already was in the sideboards, and I think this might also improve the MUC matchup...

Edit: Sorry I wasn't clearer. This is what I was referring to...

Quietus Spike 3
Artifact - Equipment
Equipped creature has deathtouch.
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, that player loses half his or her life, rounded up.
Equip 3

Equipped onto an Arc Slogger, you can reduce an opponent from 20 life to 0 life at instant speed with just three red mana, and this is without having to attack!

Basically, early on, this can do as much as 8 additional points of damage to an opponent.

Given our manabase, we can get it on something fairly early.

Even Deathtouch can be pretty solid on something like Trinket Mage or Pestermite.

Could this replace Swords?

Less consistent, but a hell of a lot more bomby.

I would be scared of that. So I'm getting some.

I don't know how good it will be, but it seems worth testing. Not just in this deck, but lots of stompy builds. Faerie Stompy (I realize they got a new equipment costing X = tutorable by T. Mage, but still worth looking into), Angel Stompy could use this to extreme affect IMO, and Demon Stompy screams play me. A faster clock for them could put them in a good area. Maybe as good as this list.

Pce,

--DC

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I would be scared of that. So I'm getting some.

I don't know how good it will be, but it seems worth testing. Not just in this deck, but lots of stompy builds. Faerie Stompy (I realize they got a new equipment costing X = tutorable by T. Mage, but still worth looking into), Angel Stompy could use this to extreme affect IMO, and Demon Stompy screams play me. A faster clock for them could put them in a good area. Maybe as good as this list.

Pce,

--DC

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what are you referring to here? Brooch?

I think he's referring to the new equipment, something like:

X
Artifact
[This] comes into play with X counters on it
Equip: Remove a counter from [this]
Equiped creature get's +1/+1 for each counter on [this]


Anyway, I'd much rather have Jitte. It's the only removal this deck has.

The new deathtouch equipment.

I dont think there is enough aggro to warrant equipment anymnore. I think more prison effects could be used. I never used my jittes in my board, not sure what would fit, but 4 slogger and 4 wipe cards like pyroclasm or pyrokinesis in the board seem sufficient for the metagame

He's actually talking about the new equipment that reads:

3
Equip: 3
Equipped creature has deathtouch.
Whenever equipped creature deals damage to an opponent, that opponent loses half their life, rounded up.

Nah, "Deathtouch Equipment" is too costly and doesn't do enough. I've done some testing with Loxodon Warhammer in Demon Stompy, and it is a tough card to use because of how much mana it needs. "Deathtouch Equipment" would have the same problem while doing even less to the immediate game state.

Our creatures are big enough that they rarely need deathtouch. In the few times that deathtouch would help, adding two or three power to the creature (SoFI or Warhammer) would be even more effective while having other benefits (pro red, lifelink).

I have LOTS of questions about this deck:

- How good 3sphere is? I only can see it's useful against Storm Combo and ThreshThreshThreshThreshThresh, both in decadence.
- Versus MonoU, Citadel of Pain was already tested?
- A friend of mine played Rally the Horde in the Extended Dragon Stompy. It could be playable or SoK only have 2 good cards?
- What do you guys think about the "Goblin Blossom" from Alara?

And, finally:

- WHAT DO AGAINST AGGRO-LOAM?

PS: Sorry my english, this is not my natural language.

The best thing to do against aggro loam is get chalice for 2 down.

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Originally Posted by Zork

He's actually talking about the new equipment that reads:

3
Equip: 3
Equipped creature has deathtouch.
Whenever equipped creature deals damage to an opponent, that opponent loses half their life, rounded up.

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So, really, it ALWAYS halves your opp's life total, thus, if you want to actually kill your opp, you're going to have to find a way to unattach 'Deathtouch Equipment' from your guy (i.e. Equip another creature with it).

I guess, in conclusion, seems a little win-more, or just plain situational.