I played Maverick at a small GPT this weekend. Here's a report, if you're interested. In short, the deck feels great and should do well in the hands of players better than me.
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I played Maverick at a small GPT this weekend. Here's a report, if you're interested. In short, the deck feels great and should do well in the hands of players better than me.
Grats on the top 8!Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart
Burn twice in a row is pretty rough.
Would you make any changes or have any ideas for the future? You ran a pretty traditional list overall.
Cheers Lavafrogg! The maindeck felt solid. I think I'll drop the Batterskull for one of the Swords, but other than that I'll probably run it back as is. As I mentioned in the report, it felt like I was favored vs all the fair decks, and I've got enough combo-hate that I won't be totally dead to unfair decks.
For the sideboard:
- I'm cutting the Melira, which was basically just there to troll one of my teammates. For now I'm replacing it with a Diabolic Edict, which seems like a good flexible option. However, it might also become a 3rd Zealous Persecution, a Sigarda, or the Batterskull I'd dropped from the main. I also desperately want to run Abzan Beastmaster, but I suspect he actually just sucks.
- I think the Bog wants to be a 3rd Surgical. Maybe Maverick pilots who have played the deck for longer appreciate the ability to Knight > Bog, but Bog feels so shitty when you draw it. Surgical, meanwhile, is an amazing card, but I never drew either of my 2 copies.
Who wins a dual land as a door prize?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Luthiereisfun
I spent a lot of time playing Junk with Zeniths and have little faith in the black disruption plan, that being said I ran thoughtsieze into hymn into teeg essentially, I found that if they are going to beat you turn 1, they can beat you through a thoughtsieze.
Zealous Persicution is really the only black card that I really miss from the splash as white has no good options with the same effect. The black splash also hurts multiple Sanctum Prelates as the mana base would struggle to get GWWB consistently and still get basics.
My sideboard started with 4 Prelates.Quote:
Originally Posted by lavafrogg
Ten black splash forced me to trim it down to 2...
I definitely know your pain.
I have always found Maverick to have a surprisingly sketchy mana base, hence why the Punishing builds used to play a mainboard life from the loam to help stabilize against mana disruption. Pushing into black for reactive cards like removal doesn't sound like a good plan to me, especially when removal is best against decks that pack wasteland(delver, bant). The black splash is best against decks that cannot punish your manabase such as Miracles, RIP, and combo.Quote:
Originally Posted by TMagpie
The instances where Thoughtsieze is worth it are surprisingly slim. I mean this by saying that if the combo player does not have the turn 1/0 kill, a relevant hate bear is a better card to have due to the lasting effect and clock provided. In addition, one discard spell is often not enough to delay them more than a turn. Consistent turn 0/1 decks do not really exist in this format, the BR Reanimator deck most likely being the best one, I am fine with forcing them to go off before something bad happens, like a turn 2 RiP/Canonist/Thalia/Teeg/Prelate, that stops them from winning. Once again, we are not playing a blue deck that can stop early combo on a regular basis.
I have died countless games with Junk/Rock with discard and bears in my hand, but I have also dropped a turn 2 Thalia that they couldn't beat more often than not. I also play Enlightened Tutor sideboard so I pretty much always have the turn 2 hate card.... which helps
3 Burn match ups is just the worst luck ever. Thanks for posting these.Quote:
Originally Posted by ironclad8690
It looks like the first glimpse of the new meta is in:
Grixis Delver
Show and Tell
Elves
Appear to be the clear cut tier one decks.
Food Chain/BUG Combo/Leovold
Storm
Stoneblade
Dragon Stompy
Are all having a strong tier 2 showing
Death and Taxes has seem to taken a hit wih all of the Elves hate, eldrazi is nowhere to be seen, infect is also AFK but could make a comeback as a very fast "Delver" deck.
How does everyone feel about these matchups?
Show and Tell feels very weird to me...if they go heavy in on Omni I think it's bad...if they don't I think it's pretty good. Prelate seems to be the best answer to show and tell altogether. All the tier 2 decks seem fine for the most part. Grixis Delver seems fine. Elves I am pretty outspoken about not liking but I think it's winnable. Decks like infect seem more miserable to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by lavafrogg
edit: mtggoldfish says that 70% of SnS decks play 3x Omni...feels bad man
The newer lists seem to be dropping Omni, but playing the set of petals to speed up:/Quote:
Originally Posted by Luthiereisfun
Edit: Another Top 8 posted:Quote:
Originally Posted by lavafrogg
// NAME : Maverick
// CREATOR : Jakob Patterson
// FORMAT : Legacy
1 [R] Bayou
1 [FUT] Dryad Arbor
1 [US] Gaea's Cradle
1 [FUT] Horizon Canopy
1 [LG] Karakas
1 [UNH] Plains
1 [R] Scrubland
2 [UNH] Forest
2 [R] Savannah
3 [ZEN] Verdant Catacombs
4 [TE] Wasteland
4 [KTK] Windswept Heath
1 [LRW] Gaddock Teeg
1 [] Scavenging Ooze
1 [TSP] Scryb Ranger
1 [C14] Sylvan Safekeeper
1 [C14] Titania, Protector of Argoth
2 [ARB] Qasali Pridemage
2 [] Renegade Rallier
2 [WWK] Stoneforge Mystic
3 [DKA] Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 [RTR] Deathrite Shaman
4 [CFX] Knight of the Reliquary
4 [CMD] Mother of Runes
1 [DS] Sword of Fire and Ice
1 [BOK] Umezawa's Jitte
2 [5E] Sylvan Library
4 [] Swords to Plowshares
4 [MBS] Green Sun's Zenith
SB: 1 [RTR] Pithing Needle
SB: 1 [ALA] Ethersworn Canonist
SB: 2 [ARB] Zealous Persecution
SB: 2 [8E] Choke
SB: 2 [C14] Containment Priest
SB: 2 [CMD] Path to Exile
SB: 2 [7E] Engineered Plague
SB: 3 [THS] Thoughtseize
hey Guys,
i had a great weekend at MKM Frankfurt with my beloved GW/b list
sigarda and Thalia 2.0 are nuts, as i told you many times :wink:
went 6:1 at the legacy trial on saturday and finished 6th out of 114
went 7:3 at the main event on sunday 55th out of 437 people.
i will write about it in the next 2 days...:smile:
Hi everbody.
This is my first post in this thread but surely not the last one.
A few weeks ago I decided to start playing Punishing Maverick.
The reasons were pretty simple:
1. I wanted to play a deck that is fun to play for a long time. Four different toolboxes in the same deck allow that.
2. It should be upgradeable
3. We at least have some game against each deck.
4. No blue duals are needed. Therefore the price was manageable.
Two small FNMs were strengthening my decision.
Now the fun part:
Last weekend I played the MKM series tournament in Frankfurt.
And i had a blast.
Following 75 have been used:
//Lands
1 Bayou
1 Dark Depths
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Forest
3 Grove of the Burnwillows
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Karakas
1 Maze of Ith
1 Plateau
2 Savannah
2 Taiga
1 Thespian's Stage
3 Wasteland
4 Windswept Heath
3 Wooded Foothills
//Creatures
1 Birds of Paradise
3 Deathrite Shaman
1 Gaddock Teeg
4 Knight of the Reliquary
3 Mother of Runes
1 Noble Hierarch
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Scryb Ranger
3 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Sylvan Safekeeper
//Spells
4 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Punishing Fire
4 Swords to Plowshares
//Weapons
1 Batterskull
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Umezawa's Jitte
//Sideboard
SB: 1 Bojuka Bog
SB: 2 Choke
SB: 2 Engineered Plague
SB: 2 Enlightened Tutor
SB: 1 Ethersworn Canonist
SB: 1 Gaddock Teeg
SB: 1 Null Rod
SB: 1 Phyrexian Revoker
SB: 1 Pithing Needle
SB: 1 Qasali Pridemage
SB: 1 Tormod's Crypt
SB: 1 Worship
Theese were my results:
1st trial:
4-3 (no particular order)
Loam W
Deadguy W
Esperblade L
Bantblade W
TurboDepths L
Grixis Delver L
Shardless Leovold W
2nd Trial:
5-2
GWb Maverick W (i guess Skizz)
DnT L
BigRed W
Imperial Taxes W
4 Color Delver L
4 Color Delver W
Infect W
Mainevent:
6-3-1 (no particular order)
Bye W
Deathblade L
SpiralTide L
UWR Blade D
Grixis Delver L
UB Reanimator W
Canadian Delver W
DnT W
FoodChain W
UR Control W
Most of my losses were due to mistakes on my side (really bad mulligan decisions, bad plays...) or strange things (Price of Progress for 16dmg out of 4C Delver)
Just a few of the lost games felt out of my control: Esperblade and SpiralTide.
The most important part: I hadn't that much fun playing Magic for decades. The deck is an absolute blast to play.
I had now two days to think about my results and the deck:
The maindeck was solid. There is not a single card that I would change at the moment.
But the sideboard was not that satisfying. Therefore and due to Ironclads videos I decided to try Worldly Tutor next.
Some hatebears that came to my mind so far:
Containment priest
Orzhoff Pontiff
Ethersworn Canonist
Phyrexian Revoker
Gaddock Teeg
Cunning Sparkmage
Harsh Mentor
Phyrexian Metamorph
Any ideas?
Quick poll. What equipment package is everyone running these days? I'm building into GWb Maverick from Punishing and have Jitte, Batterskull, and an open trade window in MTGO with Sword of Fire and Ice selected. What else?
Light and Shadow is worth having in your arsenal as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by menloe
I run jitte/sword of fire and ice/sword of light and shadow. Fire and Ice imo is one of the best. If you can connect and kill one of their creatures you just net 2 cards for your 1 and that will just keep going up the longer it stays. It's also a serious clock and helps you race TNN. Sword of Light and Shadow was better when Miracles was around imo but I think it's still very solid. Against BUG it lets you swing past baleful strix/Leovold/DRS get creatures back they most likely killed and helps race. Also good against stoneblade decks. Most stoneblade decks run STP and SoLaS blanks them. I have also used it with a Scryb Ranger to play offense and defense vs batterskull. Overall I just like the swords and jitte because it turns any creature into a threat.Quote:
Originally Posted by menloe
Thanks muchly Megadeus and Luthiereisfun!
Sword of Feast and Famine was good when Shardless BUG was a bigger portion of the meta.
After almost a year of playing the dark depths combo in maverick I have hopped on the bandwagon and joined the cradle crowd, at least for now :wink:. With the loss of miracles and the rise of the new legacy meta game I'm beginning to tinker with my list a bit. Last week at my lgs I tried no mb abrupt decay and instead played 3 Pridemage along with a singleton sanctum prelate. I definitely missed having the extra creature removal and am now planning on running this list.
Lands
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Gaea's Cradle
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Karakas
4 Windswept Heath
3 Verdant Catacombs
2 Bayou
2 Savannah
1 Scrubland
2 Forest
1 Plains
4 Wasteland
Creatures
4 Deathrite
1 Noble Hierarch
4 Mother of Runes
4 Thalia
4 Knight of the Reliquary
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Scryb Ranger
1 Sanctum Prelate
1 Qasali Pridemage
2 Stoneforge Mystic
Other
4 STP
4 GSZ
1 Sylvan Library
1 Jitte
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
2 Abrupt Decay
Sideboard
3 Thoughtseize
3 Zealous Persecution
2 Choke
2 Surgical Extraction
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
1 Pithing Needle
1 Qasali Pridemage
2 Containment Priest
My LGS is running a win a dual for each weekly legacy tournament this month, there is also a legacy GPT this month. Given the lack of miracles I'm feeling fairly well positioned, mainly worried about elves and Sneak N Show, but should be interesting. Also Cradle makes equipment feel much less clunky.
With the first results of the "new" meta coming in it seems that our Delver and Stone-blade friends have not pushed out combo as much as we would have hoped. Time will tell as the format continues to adjust but we might need to start making deck building calls based on the fact that we have a bad matchup against roughly 1/2 the current meta.
Anyone have any ideas/thoughts?
I am currently considering an old school New Horizons style list with 4 mainboard stifles to combat storm and such. My GW Maverick list is still rocking 4 Thalia/3 Sanctum Prelate/Gaddock Teeg main, but I love to think of options available.