Yes, i think it works ( and i like it)Quote:
Originally Posted by Al-ucard
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Yes, i think it works ( and i like it)Quote:
Originally Posted by Al-ucard
I played with Blightsteel, and it only won me games where i had greaves in play and my oppo 0 creatures.
Also, since we play voltaic key's, could Phyrexian Collosus be an option?.
It's practically an 8/8 unblockable and relative easy to cast with metalworker/monolith's.
Edit: i've won many games searching up collosus, equiping it with greaves and seal the deal.
I don't get all these debates about 'tinker' targets. Isn't Sundering titan, Helikite, or Battlesphere enough for you? I found that to be enough. If not, I'd like to know why these things were not good enough to get the job done.
P.S. Phyrexian Colossus is so 1999, I love it. I still think it sucks in 2011.
I've been trying Thirst for Knowledge, not just as a draw source but also as a way to turn on Welder, after having many games where I'd want a discard outlet for Welder. Cut Crucibles and Wastelands for TfK and Seat of the Synod.
Why not thoughtcast? I tested it with this list and you can thoughtcast on turn one and still set up the usual turn 2 beef.Quote:
Originally Posted by FieryBalrog
That is essentially what I have done,
-4 Wasteland
-4 Crucible
+4 Seat of the Synod
+4 Thirst for Knowledge
Another recommendation is at least 1 Razormane Masticore. He is absolutely powerful in your aggro matchups, which albeit are already good, but he also turns welder on, which makes control a bit better too. I am not sure about what other creature slot to lose, but probably just 1 of the Wurmcoil Engines, as both cards satisfy the same need, except in the case against combo, but there are added advantages to Razormane.
-1 Wurmcoil Engine
+1 Razormane Masticore
In my initial testing I ran 2x original masticore for quite some time. It was really good at dealing with the aggro decks and provided a nice discard outlet for welder. When I added greaves and top I no longer had space for it.
I would not run razormane because it has negative synergy with welder.
For discard outlets, there's better cards in blue, including both Riddlesmith, Careful Study, and Intuition. With Crucible already being in the deck, that play can setup some inevitable plays by searching for Academy Ruins, and two pieces that you need.
The more non-artifacts you add to the deck the worse metalworker gets. If you are going to build a colored deck I'd move away from metalworker into some other strategy.
I built the deck last night and just goldfishing, its been stupid good and consistent, though you gotta be on the mulligans sorta like dredge.....
I do have concerns with the Sideboard though inabilty to deal with Null Rod and Pithing Needle.....I expect to see them in troves......Duplicant, Chalice, and Sphere all need to stay I would assume, so what to cut and what to add in the board to deal with them. I am thinking Shatterspree since its castable underchalice at 1 and is harder to counter.
Later EddieO
People keep missing this but unless you alter the manabase red answers to nullrod do not work. This is because all your red sources are artifacts.
Yeah, the only way you can get a red mana is to respond to null rod by tapping a red source, then instant speed artifact removal the null rod with ancient grudge or something. That's the only hope this deck has against null rod. This deck is very much like dredge in that if people prepare for it it is very unlikely to put up results because there are numerous very effective hate cards against it like hurkyl's recall, null rod, the revoker, recall, etc. etc.
Yeah, I guess I did miss that...........so at this point, whats the answer to null rod? nothing? All I know is at my local shop where I am a minor dealer, I've had more people ask about Null Rods in the last week than I had in the previous 6 months combined.....and people with them immediately say the ones they have are NOT for trade....
Later EddieO
There are answers to nullrod, they just can't be red.
care to share with the world?
Later EddieO
Can't Goblin Welder target the opponent's artifact as well? That can do some tricks too.
yes, but thats not a very good answer since they also have to have an artifact in the gy and how many non-combo deck put artifacts in the yard?Quote:
Originally Posted by (nameless one)
Yes it can, but you would need to be a artifact in the graveyard as the previous poster said.....not very likely against decks playing null rod.....and it runs into the issue of unless welder is already out, you would not be able to cast it either....
Only thing I can think of is the new 7 casting cost destroy a perm artifact.........but 7 mana with no artifact mana available is definitely not going to be easy to cast, especially with all the wastelands floating around....
Later EddieO
Culling Scales in the sideboard against Null Rod maybe?
That last line makes no sense. You know the damage on Razormane is optional, right? So why does Razormane have negative synergy with Welder, but the original Masticore receives praise?Quote:
Originally Posted by blarknob