An Open Note to the People Who Stole $10K of Cards From Me and My Friends

There is too much violence here. I, personally, have never owned or held a gun. I avoid violence and I believe this to be the only appropriate behavior in almost all situations.

Sorry that happened to you. If I ever see those cards, a pm will be sent to you and you can decide what to do.

For what it's worth, violence never solves anything. An eye for an eye leaves both men blind and such. The purpose in punishment is to reform the individual and protect society from furthur wrondoings, not to take out your anger on another individual. Being that this is the internet, I imagine that most of these threats of force are empty and just a way of dealing with a tough issue. I just hope that we can all keep it civil and have some fun.

If you ever catch a thief, do not, under any circumstances, beat him/her up. I am pretty sure that the law does not give you a freebee because the person you hurt was a thief. I believe you can take control of the individual if they are trying to escape, but don't beat them into submission. Perhapse a police officer can chime in and tell us what we should really do if we are faced with this situation.

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Originally Posted by ramanujan

There is too much violence here. I, personally, have never owned or held a gun. I avoid violence and I believe this to be the only appropriate behavior in almost all situations.

Sorry that happened to you. If I ever see those cards, a pm will be sent to you and you can decide what to do.

For what it's worth, violence never solves anything. An eye for an eye leaves both men blind and such. The purpose in punishment is to reform the individual and protect society from furthur wrondoings, not to take out your anger on another individual. Being that this is the internet, I imagine that most of these threats of force are empty and just a way of dealing with a tough issue. I just hope that we can all keep it civil and have some fun.

If you ever catch a thief, do not, under any circumstances, beat him/her up. I am pretty sure that the law does not give you a freebee because the person you hurt was a thief. I believe you can take control of the individual if they are trying to escape, but don't beat them into submission. Perhapse a police officer can chime in and tell us what we should really do if we are faced with this situation.

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Good points regarding violence. No you do not get a free pass to beat a thief. That then makes you a criminal too. You can use physical force to protect yourself and your property but only so much force as needed to stop the act and no more. If you are protecting property the amount of force you can use is less than that which you could use to protect yourself or another person. A human is valued more than property regardless of whether that person is committing a crime.

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Originally Posted by ramanujan

For what it's worth, violence never solves anything.

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Well, timely well applied violence would certainly deter it. If all of the people who stole bags at these events had been caught before they left the building, stripped naked and burned with boiling peanut oil I would imagine the next guy would think a little harder. In addition the disfigured thief would likely pursue another life path.

<rant>Violence has been the resolution to 95% of the disagreements ever seen on this planet. Like it or not. When somebody tells you that they have a book that contains the literal word of the one true god, and that their book differs greatly from the rules in your book (or in my case complete lack of a book) the only resolution is violence. </rant>

Just wanted to update you guys and thank you for the support again. Jacob and Dave couldn't get anything out of their insurance companies, unfortunately. I'm still working on mine via my parents homeowner's insurance, but nothing yet. Fortunately, my friends and professors have been very understanding and although this week has been very hard it's been getting better each day.

I am going to be putting Lands back together, but I'm also going to be seriously decreasing the amount of time I spend on MTG. I think I should view this as an opportunity as a lifestyle change - I was already somewhat feeling that I played too much (for me) before this occurred.

As for the violence, I think it's pretty irrelevant in this case because the odds of finding these people are very slim. I of course felt very violent towards them when this happened. But going to jail for assault/manslaughter/whatever would only make this month worse for me. I appreciate all your comments, but I can't condone violence. Even here.

And as a last comment, I just wanted to thank Sourcers for being.... Sourcers. Reading this thread here as compared to the thread on MTGS is just so much more encouraging.

The Source: Supportive Legacy players who feel my pain and send me tons of messages about possible leads or card donations

MTGS: Internet lurkers who can't take the time to write in intelligible English, people who don't believe that me and my friends actually could own $10,000 of cards, people who blame us for not being unhealthily paranoid, and one guy who said he wouldn't have minded stealing from me himself because my list had some "pretty nice stuff." A thousand more views and barely a tenth of the intelligence here.

Thank you all.

Violence is certainly warranted here. Sorry you were wronged and ill be sure to pay it forward to the next guy i see swipe cards.

There is no way the law would ever be able or even willing to properly try to resolve this unless the dumbass left his prints on the window or something like that. So if you run across some fucktard telling you how he whacked a window for cards in Indy, you nod, smile, and put him down.

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Originally Posted by Oiolosse

Violence is certainly warranted here. Sorry you were wronged and ill be sure to pay it forward to the next guy i see swipe cards.

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I thought I would not be able to laugh while reading this thread. I was wrong. But honestly, I have had cards stolen and that is what I am thinking.

For the record, if you catch a thief in the act I'd recommend calling the police and not attempting to "kick their ass" unless they pose a threat to you or the minimum amount needed to keep them from getting away.

I'd rather take an ass beating any day then have a criminal record or go to jail/prison.

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Originally Posted by ramanujan

If you ever catch a thief, do not, under any circumstances, beat him/her up. I am pretty sure that the law does not give you a freebee because the person you hurt was a thief. I believe you can take control of the individual if they are trying to escape, but don't beat them into submission. Perhapse a police officer can chime in and tell us what we should really do if we are faced with this situation.

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Does the law allow for a quick teabagging? Humiliation > Violence

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Originally Posted by Richard Cheese

Does the law allow for a quick teabagging? Humiliation > Violence

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Careful - most thieves are ALSO known biters!

Hey Malacoda
I just saw this post today, and earlier I was looking at the pimp thread and saw your absolutely gorgeous russian life from the loams. After drooling for like 10 minutes, I found my way to this forum and saw this thread for the first time :(
First, sorry about this having happened to you, secondly, I really hope that someone figures out who does this. Finally, I am trying to acquire russian lifes, and if i can get extra, i will send you them. Unlikely that I can get any, but I am trying :).

Apparently fear of the police/courts and just wanting to be a decent human being aren't good enough deterrents. When thieves are caught people need to start curb stomping them.

Why the fuck isn't there more security at these events?

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Originally Posted by DragoFireheart

Why the fuck isn't there more security at these events?

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They stole it from his car..

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Originally Posted by lebron jim

need to start curb stomping them.

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Hyperbole or stupidity are running wild in this thread.

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Originally Posted by birds of paradise2

They stole it from his car..

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Do these hotels not have security for their parking lots?

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Originally Posted by DragoFireheart

Do these hotels not have security for their parking lots?

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You're making this into a mess. First you're complaining about events not having security, and then suddenly you ask me if those hotels have security on their parking lots.

If the events have security doesn't have anything to do with if hotels got security. There is no correlation whatsoever.

The problem is that there is no security at all, period.

SCG did a pretty good job on site for the Invitational in Baltimore, but you are truly never safe.

I'm no longer bringing play stock to lend to friends or extra trade stock to events, and packing pretty light. Also, I'm parking in locations farther from site if I can. It's not fun, but you have to make some trade offs.

I felt pretty safe at the SLC gp. They were tagging bags and players; if you wanted to leave, they(the doormen) would check the tags to make sure the numbers match. I went outside a door that was next to the doorman as there was a line going in that he was attending to. Once he realized this, he literally ran outside the room to find me.

I didn't find anyone with a mtg the source mat, was going to buy it off of them :/

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Originally Posted by birds of paradise2

You're making this into a mess. First you're complaining about events not having security, and then suddenly you ask me if those hotels have security on their parking lots.

If the events have security doesn't have anything to do with if hotels got security. There is no correlation whatsoever.

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No one has ANY security. That's the problem. Not the hotel, not the event holders. FFS, people have cards worth thousands of dollars and people are getting mugged. More should be done to ensure that people are scared to go play a fucking card game out of fear of someone trying to pull a knife on them and/or beat them up.