[Deck] Dredge-a-Tog - Psychatog with the new Dredge cards

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Life of the Loam DOES NOT solve Wasteland against decks in which you care about Wasteland (IE decks with a clock). Why? Because Life of the Loam is a mid-late game card. Think about it. Do you really think you can survive the Goblin onslaught if you're busy tapping out during the mainphases of your first few turns just to get back a friggin DEAD LAND? Me neither.

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Just a note, but this is completely irrelevant. You smash Goblins into the ground, so I'm suprised that you would be worried about 'solving' a problem in Wasteland, that isn't even an issue. You can beat them up for the win on turn 4/5. I run ZERO basics in my own build and have rarely been bothered by Wasteland. Why? Because I only need 3 mana to get Tog down and then the game is basically over. After that I need like 2 mana on my next turn to cast Deep Analysis, whoopity do.

Most of your post is basically wrapped around the faulty assumption that DAT has a weak match against Goblins (Or similar aggro) because of it's mana disruption. Or that it's weaker than U/B specfically because of some abusable flaw in the mana base. Fact is that's not true at all.

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Do you think Goblins cares about Life of the Loam? Do you think Solidarity cares about Life of the Loam? Do you think Rabid Wombat, with it's maindeck Phyrexian Furnaces, cares about Life of the Loam?

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Actually yeah I do. Since it's another card that just says, 'pump my tog to obscene levels for two mana'. Do you really think it's main use is for the cycling card engine? Sorry, that's only against control decks that are god awful slow. The rest of the time you use it as a mini-Berserk, instead of running the Cunning Wish -> Berserk plan for more mana and hurting your board.

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Undisrupted, they can kill you as early as turn three. So you still have to Force of Will that turn one Lackey.

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This makes me question if you were playing the deck correctly. I wasn't at first and had some major issues with getting the supposed kill rates that some 1.x pros had claimed. Once I became more comfortable with the deck and Dredge interactions though, I realized you can race any aggro deck in the format. About half of the time I don't even counter Lackey, because I can race them without a major issue.

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Originally Posted by laststepdown

But I haven't seen a Cunning Wish on the decklist...yet.

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Most of the lists at the beginning of the thread have Wish. Alvin and I don't run it because we feel we're fast and evasive enough without it.

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Also, I think Careful Study would be a better choice in this deck than Brainstorm. Flame on.

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No flames here. I actually believed the same thing, because there are plenty of cards you want in the yard. I tested Study though, and I was really really displeased with it. It doesn't dig as deep as Brainstorm does for one thing. For another, you can't get 3 Dredge activations off it like you can with Brainstorm. This is highly significant. Also, the fact that it's a sorcery is not at all incosequential. The ability to protect your hand from hand destruction and leave open mana to bluff countermagic is important. Lastly, as advantageous as it seems to be tossing cards to the yard, that's two less cards you get to pitch to Tog, and this has proven highly significant as well. In the end, I'm almost certain that Brainstorm is the better choice for this build.

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Once I became more comfortable with the deck and Dredge interactions though, I realized you can race any aggro deck in the format. About half of the time I don't even counter Lackey, because I can race them without a major issue.

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I can confirm this. I've had the same experience. Earlier this evening, for example, I let a first turn Lackey resolve even though I had the FoW in hand. All I had to pitch to it were Tog and Wonder, and I opted to just win on turn 4 instead.

Alright, you guys got me. I'm going to proxie up Godzilla's decklist and run it against the gauntlet. I'm pretty sure I can play his Troll-A-Tog build well because I play that deck in Extended. Nice discussion, guys!

I do have a question: How is your game against Wombat? I'm guessing its a good matchup because of the additional beats (3 Grave Troll, Genesis, Gigapede, etc).

I tested against Rabid Wombat with my build yesterday. The games take forever but usually end in favor of the Tog player. This goes completely against logic, seeing that Wombat gets Abeyance, Phyrexian Furnace, Pithing Needle, STP, Wing Shards, Wrath of God, Renewed Faith, Humility, Akroma's Vengeance, and more. However, because the most draw these decks run are via cycling things, and because they don't run spell disruption (only creature disruption) and don't have much of a clock, you can set up your game for like 10 turns completely uninhibited. Often, you'll find yourself thinking that you run too many draw spells because you're just drawing cards and drawing more cards. There's literally nothing to cast except draw spells for the first like 6 turns of the game. Wombat doesn't do anything but cycle a few Renewed Faiths and Akroma's Vengeances. It spends its entire game saving up STPs and Wing Shards to kill your final Tog.

What the Tog deck wants to do is take advantage of the fact that it can rebuild a depleted hand a million times faster than Rabid Wombat can. Tog wants to force a war to start. Bait with a Psychatog on turn 5 or 7. 5 because you can then leave UU open for Counterspell. 7 because you can leave 4 mana open for two counterspells. Never bait on turn 6 because after casting Tog you only have 3 mana open, which is kind of pointless. Anyway, bait with the Tog. Wombat will throw all sorts of removal at the Tog. Counterspell and Mana Leak and Force of Will as much of it as you can. You know that it's never enough, and that the Tog WILL die, but you don't care because letting Tog live isn't your goal. You're simply happy that both sides just used up their entire hands, because you know that next turn you can flashback a few DAs and you're back up to 7 cards. Meanwhile, Wombat can't because it doesn't run any draw. Do this two or three times throughout the game and eventually you'll build a big enough lead in cards that one of your Togs will remain alive for a turn - and that's when it's all over.

So right now, games against Goblins don't go past turn 4, because that's when I Intuition for the win. Games against Wombat go for like an hour because it's a massive war of attrition that Wombat doesn't have the draw capacity to win. Games against Solidarity can either end turn 4 or can go for a while, depending on how aggressive my hand is.

Anway, I'm testing UBG DAT right now.

I suspect that either your opponent was a bad Wombat player, or Godzilla is a bad DaT player, or some combination thereof, as brief testing showed the exact opposite results. It sounds like your opponent was even trying to kill a pre-pumped Tog, which is almost never worthwhile. Abeyance and Wing Shards give your deck hemmoraging, the dig isn't realistically any slower considering how much of your "draw" engine is simply burying instead of actual drawing, and they run more ways to kill Tog than you run Togs. Godzilla correctly identified Grave Troll as likely your best weapon in this matchup, but it still bites it to Swords. Gigapede gets around Shards and Swords, and seems like a decent option anyway, but it only amplifies the many ways in which DoJ is bad for you. And you still need to sweat the possibility of Humility resolving.

Godzilla, why no Wasteland or Cephalid Colliseum(sp?) in your deck? Even as 1 ofs they could be extremely helpful.

Also, I'm confused on the purpose of Golgari Grave Troll. Is he there just to dredge a whole bunch, with the bonus of being a finisher also?

I like the idea of Brawn in the deck, but I beleive it makes Wonder pretty useless. Do you think it is necesary to have both in the deck?

Lastly, why Putrefy over Deed? Deed does take one turn longer to be activated an kills your Diamonds but it can also kill multiple creatures(read Goblins). What is your reasoning for Puterfy since I haven't decided which I like better yet.

I've never even tested this deck, but it seems like a lot of people want to make this a control deck with Life from the Loam, which Godzilla has stated is not the goal. The purpose of the counters is the same as if you were playing combo. They are protection, not permission. Likewise, attempting to lock your opponent out of the game with Wasteland and such is wasteful maindeck, because the only deck this is truly effective against is Landstill, which this is supposed to smash anyway.

Also, Alvin's deck runs VERY differently from Godzilla's. He talks about leaving mana open for counters, of which Godzilla has none for which he need to pay mana for. I don't know which is better, but I'd suspect that Alvin's deck will be weaker in the aggro matchups by running hard counters, which may counterbalance the Wombat matchup.

I was about to PM zilla about this but I figured this stuff was relevant enough for me to put it here:
@ Zilla: The more I think about it the more I start to understand that this deck needs to decide if it's going to be control-combo or combo with disruption. I feel the more comboish builds have better game against aggro decks but have a harder game versus control such as wombat and the opposite is true for the more controllive builds with the combo finish I would assume.Also I feel uncomfortable turning this into a combo deck. As a control combo deck it can play the control route as needed and can kill quicker than pretty much any other control deck but if it's a combo deck it essentially means it will be able to goldfish about as fast as solidarity with a good bit of disruption which to me is significantly less impressive than solidarity because they are playing about as much draw with almost as much disruption. I guess what I'm really asking is how effectively you can play the control role when you need to against decks like wombat when you've pushed this deck so far towards the combo route.

BlackLotus, that's exaclty what I'm asking. I do not believe this deck can play like a pure combo deck, because it's win condition is easily killable. Against a Goblin deck boarding in 4 REBs, you need to be very careful of trying to go off too early without protection. 2x REB is game over if you only have 1x FOW. If you try to go off and they kill your Tog, you won't be able to recover and try again in time because you've been neglecting their board.

A control-combo deck, on the other hand, doesn't NEED to rush things so much, since it can play control until it no longer can, and then it wins. I think this is a better approach, since there's just too much disruption out there for 4 FOW and 3 Daze to handle.

I think Julien's deck from Grand Prix: Copenhagen is the perfect mix of combo and control. It runs Smother and Darkblast, zero Putrefy and zero Pernicious Deed, 1 Life of the Loam, 4 Gifts Ungiven, 14 cheap counters, other draw, and Tog. You can see it at magicthegathering.com. Check it out, because it won the whole thing, and it's an amazingly elegant deck.

Now if you were to add Quirion Dryad or Wild Mongrel into the mix, then I'd suggest going aggro-combo-control, in that order of priority, simply because you have additional threats that STP has to worry about, and because Dryad makes tapping out for counters naturally bad.

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I do not believe this deck can play like a pure combo deck

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I'm not saying this at all I'm saying that forcing this deck into a combo deck to the degree at which zilla has done is to me like using a ratchet to hammer in a nail. It's not that I don't think it can be a combo deck it's just that I'm not sure that that is the most effective way to utilize this particular deck. Maybe I'm just partial to control decks but seeing as how it can do both combo AND control why not do both to stall until you can combo out with disruption.

Ok, I didn't mean to say it CAN'T play like a pure combo deck. I was trying to say that I don't think it plays most effectively as a pure combo deck. Blacklotus, we are agreeing with each other here in that we both feel combo-control gives the most versatility, stability, and game against disruption. Use control elements to stall until you can combo and protect yourself when you do decide to combo off.

yeah about that

Do you guys ever have a Fow in hand but nothing to go with it? It's come up quite often in my testing. Either that or I have something like a Wonder or Deep Analysis. BTW just making sure it's the best play, but should I toss a Wonder to FoW and save my Tog? The way I see it, Wonder is useless without a Tog but Tog isn't useless without a Wonder so I usually FoW.

It being 3:40 am (EDIT: now 6:30) and not the time of life at which I would want to change my policy on mws scrubs, I decided to test Alvin's build against myself.

So it's not objective. It never is. Even if it's subconscious, I've discovered there is an uncontrollable urge to make plays that favor the deck you like, especially with countermagic in the mix. It's also very easy to make minor but significant mistakes when you're playing two decks, so I generally let myself take them back. Consider that a fore-warning.

Still, I thought it'd be the perfect chance to illustrate some of my objections to the pre-board matchup.

// Lands
4 Polluted Delta
4 Wasteland
2 Cephalid Coliseum
2 Swamp
2 Underground Sea
6 Island

// Creatures
4 Psychatog
1 Wonder
1 Stinkweed Imp

// Spells
4 Brainstorm
4 Accumulated Knowledge
4 Deep Analysis
4 Intuition
2 Darkblast
4 Chrome Mox
4 Force of Will
4 Counterspell
4 Mana Leak

This is the list I was using. Readers of this thread may find the list familiar. Accept no imitations. Copyright USofNip 2005 [glare].

// Lands
4 Wasteland
11 Mountain
4 Rishadan Port
2 Wooded Foothills
3 Bloodstained Mire

// Creatures
4 Goblin Ringleader
1 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
4 Gempalm Incinerator
4 Goblin Piledriver
1 Goblin Sharpshooter
4 Goblin Warchief
4 Mogg Fanatic
4 Goblin Lackey
4 Goblin Matron
1 Goblin Pyromancer
1 Goblin Grappler

// Spells
4 AEther Vial

This is a build I arrived at after a few days of refinement. Since I don't keep updated on legacy and my gauntlet for it usually consists of my other (similarly bad?) builds, it probably looks untuned.

Whatever. It worked for me and it'll work for this experiment.

Wait... rocking out to ok computer.

That's better.

Game 1:

It turns out a testing partner of mine (Death Pits of Crap) can play a game before school starts, so we do. We flip and he runs tog. In the interests of full disclosure I make sure he sees the whole gobbos decklist.

I win the second flip (AHMGWTFMISE) and am on the play.

My hand is lackey, driver, driver and ringleader. Nice. We both keep. I play turn one lackey. It resolves and he flashes me darkblast. At least this game wasn't a blowout, right?

Well...

Despite being stuck on three lands while he went for a turn two intuition (mox) and a turn three imp followed up by imp + double darkblast turn four and then a turn five tog, I still won by just throwing guys at his face until he died. Gempalm Incinerator completely invalidates stinkweed.

My partner doesn't have enough time for another game. I argue that deed is bad in extended tog and he throws out possible slots to cut for real removal until it's bus time.

Game 2 (by myself this time):

Tog is on the play. It rips a broken grip of force, anal, StImpy and lands. Mully. My second hand is brainstorm and lands. I mully to 6 again. No land. Mully. 5 lands and intuition. Guess what my new hand is?

A broken grip of force, anal, StImpy, and lands. Screw this. I'm keeping.

Goblins mulligans to 6 and keeps an extremely mediocre hand with two wastes and no play before turn three.

Between a force on warchief and a mox tog is rapidly into topdeck mode. Stinkweed stands uselessly back on defense while goblins resolves matron >>> kiki >>> time-saving scoop.

Game 3:

Goblins go first (I'm alternating this, if you hadn't caught it). I don't usually keep one trick pony hands, but this is such an asskicking brainmunching bloodpony it can't be resisted. Three lackies, fanatic, port, and matron.

Tog again has no play before turn three and mullies. The next hand features force, two AKs, and a counterspell. Keep.

The vial, obviously, gets forced. There goes my pony. What a bastard I am.

Goblins gets manascrewed for a turn before it draws a mire. No second red source shows up, which makes it impossible to avoid darkblast. I would top frantically for land like a pro, but goblins doesn't run it. WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS OVERSIGHT?

Tog glomps onto my ass like a huge flying toothy anal lamprey and it's all over.

Game Four:

Tog goes first. It seems to have a good hand, with darkblast, counterspell and stinky. Unfortunately casting darkblast first turn will mean bearing my throat to wasteland, but it's worth the risk. Goblins has a similarly pretty good curve with fanatic, port, matron and ringleader. Keeps all around.

This game goes quickly and furiously, with a whole lot of dredging on togs part. Stinky and two togs mean that goblins is forced to wait helplessly for the end, but when ringleader, which really reads "3R: Goblin Ringleader mises the game." shows up, things are clearly in favor of goblins. Soon tog has to make unfavorable uses of darkblast to stave off the oncoming alpha rush, until the glorious battle is decisively settled with an eot incinerator for lots, untap, two more incinerations and a pyromancer.

I didn't actually need the incinerators, but flair cannot be denied.

Game 5:

Goblins goes first. It keeps because it has vial. The hand will be a little slow if it's countered, but hey, you win if it isn't.

Tog keeps a decent hand without force, which is all you really need to know.

Double piledriver's pro blue brings tog down to two health on the fourth turn. Tog has one turn to rip dark ritual and double engineered plague off the top. Does it happen? No.

4-1

Between this and my previous testing session with the deck, I've learned a few things.

For one, stinkweed as removal just doesn't work in this matchup. Nothing is more welcome for goblins (well... my build of it. it might not be representative, but I think good players will have come to the same conclusions as me) than a dork that eats into your tempo and keeps you from drawing real answers when it eats a few incinerators.

Darkblast is genuinely lame against goblin's x/2s. Yeah, you can pull fun tricks to kill them. No, that's not particularly good. At least in my build that's fourteen creatures your main removal spell really isn't at all useful against.

I cannot ever imagine losing to tog after going mountain vial resolve. Ever. I do not want to mulligan aggressively against goblins for force so I'll dodge a turn one kill. That fucking sucks.

It needs more real removal to beat goblins, and if you can't beat goblins game one, you need to play a different deck. The flat out truth across formats is that winning post-board gives you an extremely tepid matchup.

I haven't tried a combo-control version of the deck, but I would expect it to have a much stronger matchup. Going all hypercomboslaughter seems practically impossible with this build. They have a million dudes you need to work past to get a hit in, and every turn tog attacks is one he isn't blocking.

On that basis, I just wouldn't play your version to a tournament tommorow, unless I knew damn well that goblins weren't showing up. But even then, I have strong doubts. I just don't see how the deck is supposed to handle cheap, problematic permanents like survival and jitte that get under the wall (I categorize these as Vial Class Threats). Once tog goes lethal, you're probably in the clear, but what version of tog is that untrue for? And if that inevitably wins you the game, shouldn't your goal be to accomplish it?

There are no doubt virtues to the build that I don't understand just because I haven't played against control. It seems likely you would destroy landstill and other midgame decks, but I nonetheless feel this falls by the wayside compared to it's clear issues.

I am scared of giving off my decklist, but I feel that it is important for you guys to see it. I am stuck between running this deck or my HotBox deck (time vault + fusillade). I have been running into goblins non stop, since I decided to build this deck.

The decklist goes as follows:

Creatures
4 Psychatog
4 Wild Mongrel
4 Basking Rootwalla
1 Genesis
1 Wonder
1 Brawn
1 Stinkweed Imp

Draw
3 Intuition
4 Deep Analysis
2 Sylvan Library

Action
3 Life from the Loam
3 Darkblast
3 Duress
3 Cabal Therapy

Acceleration
3 Mox Diamond


lands
1 of each cycle land (three total, green/blue/black)
1 Cephalid Collesium
3 Polluted Delta
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Flooded Strand
2 Underground Sea
4 Tropical Island
2 Bayou
2 Island
2 Swamp
2 Forest

Sideboard
4 Engineered Plague
4 Blue Elemental Blast
+7 ?

This is what I am running right now, I really think one or two of ya'll should run it, see how it goes...and then get back to me. I have had a very positive matchup against goblins so far, game one going about 60% in my favor. I have yet to do any sideboard games, but I am quite pleased so far.

@hhatleejr I like your creature base. A lot. However I do not think you need more than 1 Life from the Loam. The reason being, you won't really dredge more than 1 a turn any way. I would say -2 LftL +1 Intuition +1 Roar of the Wurm.

Cabal Therapy is also absolutely nuts in this deck. -1 Duress +1 Cabal Therapy.

I don't like Sylvan library in your list. With out a way to get it from your grave, its generally going to not be very useful as a 2 of. Therefore I would say they could become 2 more Duress.

I think the changes I am suggesting will make the deck a little more synergetic and make you care less what gets milled into your yard.

Other than that, good work.

hhatleejr,

The list looks aggressive and good, but I think it belongs in the Madness/Tog thread.

Looking at Julien Nujiten's winning decklist at the Cophaugen GP illustrates how one can combine both the dredge mechanic with ore traditional builds of Tog. Here is a link for reference: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x...op05/top8decks

The winning decklist could be broken down into these sections:

Counterspells: 13
Removal: 4
Draw/Search: 10
Win/utility: 8
Mana: 25

Following a similiar balance in deck construction seems like a good idea.

I think you lose much of what makes Tog good by going heavily toward a aggro or combo direction. The control shell must be maintained.

Some of the specific questions that must be answered are:

1) Moxes? - If you run Deed they can be problmatic, otherwise they allow you to compete with faced aggro.

2) Cunning Wish & Removal - IMO, C. Wish shold not be cut. Berserk speeds up your kill tremendously, along with having flexible answers. Finding the right spot removal is also crucial. Do you run Smother? Putrefy? Or just Deed?

I will post a list later. Any thoughts?

Sean

I'm not sure Berserk is necessary. With the Dredge mechanic, Tog gets really big really fast. Going down more of a control path gives you even more time to fill your yard and hand. However, I've always liked C. Wish's versatility, being able to get me out of bad situations. Maybe 2 would do he deck some good? Of course the current decklist we have would have to be totally revamped for a more controlling build to fit the Wishes in because I don't believe the Aggro//Combo Togs that have been worked on need Wish at all, it's too slow. Putrefy seems like the perfect removal spell for the deck, dealing with pesky creatures and more importantly, pesky artifacts(Pithing Needle). I don't like Deed only because I run 4 Mox Diamond(and love them).

On another note, I've been thinking of cards to help the deck and I came up with Squee. If you dredge him away he just goes back to your hand. Sure it's not that good with Tog, but I've also been working on a more contorlling build featuring Zombie Infestation. I'll post a list if I feel the deck is strong enough. Right now, I'm still not sure.

In testing vs. gobbos pre-board, I like Alvin's list best. I do play myself, and that's probably the reason for the few games Zilla's list won. Goblins was always just a turn or two fast that Zilla's, and Alvin's is controllish enough to win. I liked the fourth Intution in Alvin's build and that probably made a difference. I also want the fourth Mox Diamond. I don't think the deck is quite consistent enough for a true combo deck. The deck needs to be able to play control if it needs to, and Alvin's build is more capable of that than Zilla's. Of course, it's also possible I'm not good enough with Dredge-a-Tog yet, so don't overweigh my opinion (Reality Check: Like there's a real chance of that happening).

I've fiddled with the combo build as follows:

-1 Barren Moor (??)
-3 Putrefy
-1 Darkblast
+1 Lonely Sandbar
+2 Ghastly Demise
+1 Ray of Revelation
+1 Uktabi Orangutan

This gives us

// Lands
1 Swamp
4 Underground Sea
4 Tropical Island
4 Polluted Delta
2 Flooded Strand
4 Lonely Sandbar
2 Barren Moor
2 Island

// Creatures
4 Psychatog
3 Golgari Grave-Troll
1 Wonder
1 Genesis
1 Brawn
1 Uktabi Orangutan

// Spells
3 Mox Diamond
4 Brainstorm
3 Life from the Loam
3 Intuition
2 Deep Analysis
3 Daze
4 Force of Will
1 Darkblast
2 Ghastly Demise
1 Ray of Revelation

I have no idea why moor and sandbar were split 3/3 in the first place.

Putrefy is just too slowwwwww and I don't feel it belongs in tog.

Ray allows this deck to deal with enchantments, which it just couldn't do before. The second darkblast also seemed largely gratitious, especially since I could be running a demise (gold) in that slot. Blast isn't as strong out here in legacy-land.

I still wanted a way to deal with artifacts, and it had to be tutorable like ray. Bingo! Enter uktabi + genesis.

Daze continues to feel really mediocre.

I wish I justify replacing brawn with a second wonder, but I, you know. Can't. Frown.

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Originally Posted by UniversalSnip

I have no idea why moor and sandbar were split 3/3 in the first place.

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It's mostly a moot point, but the 3/3 split was so that you have a consistent way to work around a Pithing Needle naming Lonely Sandbar, which happened to me in a couple games, where my opponent was trying to shut down my draw engine. When Loam is already in my yard, I like the ability to Intuition for all 3 Moors to keep my draw engine going despite the Needle targeting Sandbar. Just pointing out that there was in fact reasoning behind it... but that doesn't necessarily make it correct.

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Putrefy is just too slowwwwww and I don't feel it belongs in tog.

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I'm torn. Part of me loves it, part of me agrees that it's slow. And it doesn't pitch to FoW. Tough call. Its versatility has straight up won me games I wouldn't have otherwise, but again, that doesn't necessarily make it correct.

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Ray allows this deck to deal with enchantments, which it just couldn't do before.

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Ray is some tasty tech. I hadn't considered it before. Highly synergistic. I'm not totally convinced it belongs in the maindeck though... the only enchantment that you really really want an answer to game 1 is Humility, and that's uncommon enough that I'm not sure it belongs in the maindeck. If it hit artifacts that'd be a different story for sure. It's late... am I missing something? I mean, it's nice to hit the occasional Survival, but what enchantments are we really afraid of and how prevalent are they?

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The second darkblast also seemed largely gratitious, especially since I could be running a demise (gold) in that slot. Blast isn't as strong out here in legacy-land.

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Agreed. In fact, in three days' worth of testing, at least 4 hours a day, I think I cast Darkblast like... once. I'm not entirely sure that any belong, really, but it's nice to have a backup answer, just in case, I guess.

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I still wanted a way to deal with artifacts, and it had to be tutorable like ray. Bingo! Enter uktabi + genesis.

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Tempting idea, but slow as balls. Not necessarily saying it's wrong, but it's not a no-brainer. I'll test it myself, but do let me know how it turns out.

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Daze continues to feel really mediocre.

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Sigh. Agreed. So does FoW, actually, because I'm rarely holding a blue card I want to pitch. Do I want to throw away my Tog? No thanks. Intuition? Screw that. DA? I guess. Seems like I only ever pitch Daze or FoW to FoW, which isn't that cool. The combo aspect of the deck feels super solid, but the control aspect feels inconsistent. I'm wondering if it wouldn't be worthwhile trying the proactive rather than reactive route; the deck has very few one-drops, and Therapy has natural synergy with Dredge. It's also classic protection for combo strategies. Perhaps it deserves testing in the Daze slot? But then FoW sucks even more. Might try Duress in the FoW slot... I dunno. Sooo much stuff needs testing. It makes my brain hurt.

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I wish I justify replacing brawn with a second wonder, but I, you know. Can't. Frown.

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We apparently think rather similarly. I feel the same way. But it's always nice to have a way to run over an Angel.

On a side note, I've been tempted to drop a single Troll for an Imp. The ability to chump block problem creatures seems desirable. An Imp with Wonder in the yard can singlehandedly hold off big threats like Exalted Angel and Phantom Nishoba. Just a thought.