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Top is still legal right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott
No it's not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dice_Box
Oh, weird, I don't use MTGO. WotC's banned list announcement said that the MTGO effective date was 4/24. Thanks for the heads up though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dice_Box
I stand corrected. I am use to the announcement taking effect on the Friday. This is new to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Corazu
I'm no expert on the Legacy metagame, I mainly stick to Nic Fit or Burn and just tune them... but I'm expecting a UW deck to rise up. Pretty much everyone thinks Chalice is going to turn into the formats policeman, and Chalice+Prelate is super hateful, maybe Esper to include Toxic Deluge (probably the best option without a reliable Terminus) and DRS to Prelate on T2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott
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Originally Posted by Crimhead
Okay okay okay, to get this straight...Quote:
Originally Posted by Crimhead
...it's an autoloss because:
Tom Ross, a heck of a Magic player and master of Infect, played against mostly less experienced players (unless he, for some reason, only plays other exceptional players at tournaments) and says he didn't lose to them more than once (quotation needed).
You tested the matchup once.
Reddit-data from "a couple years ago" (source please)
You watched some matches
You playing against Miracles with other decks
I'm assuming the next big legacy event that gets lots of air time would be MTGfirst's quest for power9 June 4th. Kory runs a bad ass stream @Snapcasters. And being it's Maryland/DC area with lots of great players. I'd hope that it will give us a good insight to were meta will shift too.
I also think Burn will earn a solid place in the tier 1 group. I had a solid belief the only reason why it wasn't tier one beforehand was the dogma it held. And most players that play burn probably don't have 2 round byes. 2 round byes helps so much getting pass the BS decks burn has problems with outside of combo. Like mud. Or other tier 2-3 decks you may face with out byes.
Also combo decks aren't as bad as everyone thinks for burn. If storm or Sneak and show don't go off by turn 2 your odds of winning is actually in your favor. And the match ups get better after SB. And the elves match up is probably the most fun and technical match up ever that's also fairly even.
@Munchyman
This Sunday is MKM Frankfurt, a (probably) several hundred player tournament. I will be there live, to jump into the "what do we do now?" metagame. ^^
The problem with Burn is a lower skill cap in my opinion. You can only get so far with the deck, as it doesn't provide that many interactions and sequences.
Maybe you weren't around the community at the time, but early summer 2015 there were some threads on Reddit gathering match specific data from major events and recording match specific win-rates.Quote:
Originally Posted by JDK
You are free to look this up. I could do the digging (there are links in the banned list thread if you go back far enough), but I'm not sure what I'm trying to prove to you at this point. You've offered nothing substantial to support your position, other than claiming "personal experience", and you're kind of trolling me now.
This has to be the post with the most irony in it since the history of the Internet.
The ten 5-0 decks in today's MTGO Competitive Legacy Constructed League:
ANT X3 (1 w/ Burning Wish)
Grixis Tempo X2
Spanish Inquisition (Skullwinder tech)
Mono-Red Sneak Attack
BGu Dark Depths
BURG Guided Passage
Sneak & Show
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https://www.reddit.com/r/MTGLegacy/c...es_12415_8215/Quote:
Originally Posted by Crimhead
I was told there would be Maverick. I was told there would be Zoo!Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott
fuck me that's a lot of comboQuote:
Originally Posted by Scott
Best part about combo? It can always be hated out
Time to break out Stax.Quote:
Originally Posted by bruizar
:eek: . . . Love that guided passage is being played!Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott
I'll wait for a bit to see how the metagame shakes out, but if Storm/S&T gains significant metashare, I'll probably sleeve up White Eldrazi again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megadeus
It sounds to me like people forgot that the cornerstone of the format is Discard+Counterspells. Your deck must have one or the other, or preferably both in order to be competitive... plus some removal.Quote:
Originally Posted by bruizar
If you don't run interaction, combo will beat you.
You know Enric is back when people start talking about Guided Passage. I don't even need to check.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cire
All the oldschoolers coming back to Legacy now that Miracles it's gone, it's amazing.
Storm is also pretty cheap online, good way to get your fix while you wait for things to settle down a bit.
I just got murked by fluctator storm. This is the darkest timeline.
It's hard for me to imagine these ten decks are representative of the meta to come.
Even if it were a significant sample size, the meta is shaking up big time. If anything people are excited to play more combo is all. Either way, that kind of meta looks too exploitable to endure if it happens to be the start of a trend.
Fish looks pretty good in that mix - running both CotV and FoW. Old Tezzerator lists used to run Forces along side Chalice too. Tezz has never had a chance to be developed and optimised - it has lots of options. Not to say we would need to dig up fringe decks to answer a combo heavy meta! Just musing on the possibilities. This is a very interesting time to be playing Legacy I think.
Food Chain might be underrepresented since it's a pain in the ass to play on MTGO.
As someone who's having fun working on a shadow of the grave fluctuator list, what did this list look like/include?Quote:
Originally Posted by supremePINEAPPLE
It was actually really funny. Treasure hunt, dark ritual, lotus petals, shadow of the grave, fluctuator, a bunch of cycling lands with a fluctuator cost, some fetches, some underground seas, and tendrils. Seemed horrible against any blue deck but I was playing Lands so whoops.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cire
Why not Living Death over Tendrils?
I like where this is going.Quote:
Originally Posted by Purple Blood
Why not play UB Reanimator and do all three?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brael
One of the local Modern players has this deck built as a joke. He complains no end about Force and loves going against everyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by supremePINEAPPLE
Pay 2bb and win now, or pay 3bb and win tomorrowQuote:
Originally Posted by Purple Blood
Decisions, decisions
Seems like it would be easier to get to critical mass with Living Death though and the one mana difference is largely irrelevant in a deck like this. Run some combo of Chalice, Sol Lands, FoW, Fluctuator, Cabal Ritual, Shadow of the Grave, Treasure Hunt and all the biggest blue and black cyclers.Quote:
Originally Posted by TsumiBand
First turn Chalice second turn Fluctuator third turn profit with Chalice and FoW protection?
What's the highest amount of non cycling cards this can run without bricking all the time?
The deck I was working on uses Lab Maniac as a win, which just seems better?
Rufus and I tried doing the math here (starting from post 9): http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?31559-Shadow-of-the-FluctuatorQuote:
Originally Posted by Purple Blood
Forgot to mention it but he did win with labman in the second game since I got 3 spheres out. I'm not sure which is better in a vacuum but labman seemed pretty safe since he always had an insane amount of cycling cards in hand when going off. Split second stuff was good but he easily drew more fluctuators than I drew grips since he had a ton of lands and could just keep cycling. It was interesting and ended up being much better against my hate than normal storm would have been.
That's certainly a valid option.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ephemeron
The ten 5-0 decks in today's MTGO Competitive Legacy Constructed League:
Elves X3
ANT X2
Grixis Control
Grixis Tempo
Sneak & OmniShow
Team America
The Epic Storm
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Bunch of storm yesterday. More today plus Elves. If I'm playing an SCG or something soon I'm packing 3 Ethersworn CanonistQuote:
Originally Posted by Scott
I am looking at 3Ball and Sphere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megadeus
The legendary NEKOYAMA on blue zoo finally? Times are tough. :cry:
Not terribly surprising to see a spike in Git. Probe representation after an effective CB ban. As much talk about DRS is next there is, Probe is the more likely target.
Probably worth looking at legacy before the DTT ban where Git Probe was the largest driver of turning on the most successful decks. As SnT rises so too will Grixis Pyro decks; expect legacy to get more blue as a fxn of Probe/SnT vs Probe/Cabal. Should be a fun creative space for legacy as decks are forced more towards the mana floor and their quickest, meanest forms.