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I'd rather just O. Ring the Emrakul; cheaper, less setup, and enchantments are a bit more difficult to destroy than artifacts in Legacy (not by much, but enough to notice).
I'd rather just Karakas the Emrakul, already in the deck.
True. Although O. Ring can be used in many situations where Karakas is a blank in non-Emrakul matchups. Think of O. Ring as Vindicate #5 that can be tutored for with E. Tutor. Karakas can be tutored with KotR, but again, there's more setup involved and KotR is a creature, which will meet a swift death in many situations.
At this point I would with all the play testing I have done, I would rather run 10 main deck discard spells (4 hymn, 4 thoughtseize, and 2 verdicts) with another 3-4 duress in sideboard when needed. Strip out all the ways they can cheat Emrakul into play (side extipate if needed too). It's the strong suite of the deck to be disruptive, and tear about their hand.
No need to get fancy and spend extra slots with a enlightened tutor package or other random idea.
Hey guys. I just picked up Rock and I am liking it. I think the deck is well rounded and performs well in the current meta-game. The results of SCG Edison speak for themselves. I was wondering about the discard spells though. I've been a long time Zoo player because of that fact I have a particular hatred for combo. So, I was thinking a 10 discard main:
3 Thoughtseize
2 Inquisition of K.
4 Hymn
1 Gerrard's Verdict
I also would like to add a Maelstrom Pulse main to do a 4/1 split with vindicate. What do you think? Is it better to be well rounded or have a few bombs like Elspeth, Mom, etc? I'm hoping that my disdain for combo isn't making my main deck choices for me here, but with the meta being so wide open, you never know.
Lately I have been running with a few different variations of a more aggro based rock just to try it out. Using the 3 swords, 1 jitte, 1 sols, 1 sofi and 3 stoneforge mystics I find that it just beats up on any aggro decks. The swords just make it nearly impossible for any other aggro decks to compete. I also tried using mother or runes and honestly I don't know what other people see in her. Every time that I have her out I've been been extremely disappointed. I'd much rather it be a guy that does something, like attack.
23 land
3 mox diamond
4 thoughtseize
4 hymn
4 swords
1 sols
1 jitte
1 sofi
2 Vindicate
4 dark confidant
4 goyf
4 kotr
3 stoneforge
2 Quasali
It may be okay to drop the sols for a 3rd vindicate, but in my meta there is a lot of landstill and U/W control decks so it really does well.
@ Kird Ape
If you wanted to split, I'd say go with a 3/1 Split. Nowadays, I've found you don't need 5 Vindicates. If you're not on the land denial plan, and find yourself blowing up non-land permanents more often, go for more Pulses.
I would also say lose the Verdict and go for another 1 CMC discard, another IoK would do it.
-Matt
Again, rock takes place in top 16 in latest SCG (12th and 16th place). I think this should be moved in DTB.
http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...0&city=Memphis
You're my boy, Alex Hon! If you come on here post regarding your sideboard. 12th
Rock keeps posting good results. You'd think it'd get moved to DTB.
Go for the Throat doesn't hit Affinity, doesn't hit Zoo's 1-drops on t1, and can't answer t1 Lacky... but maybe it's worth it not to have the tempo loss from Path? Go for the Throat might be similar to Inquisition. It's usually awesome, but sometimes it just doesn't get you there. Dunno.
what makes me giggle is http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...p?DeckID=37121 the current incarnation junk seems to be taking is what i have been making since i first started testing this deck. I remember everyone said mystic was TOO slow and the equipments AREN'T that good, how my list was strictly worse because it included things such as mystic and jitte... It's funny how things change. But what's funny is i tested that list on the link months ago... the same list; except for the lands
EDIT: my mistake he runs 3 goyfs.
also i have been thinking of tinkering around where the goyf spot is...
also i would be worried if team america because very popular. I think you would start to run more creatures and add vials.
I don't like this list. But that's a matter of preferences. In any case, I'd play Verdict over Hymn in this build, or Therapy over both, because of potential double-B mana problems.
What's great with Mox Diamond-Junk decks is that you can play with basics + mox. I don't remember the last time I got mana screwed...
I don't see mana issue because almost every colored land in deck produce B.
btw., i like list rainbow posted, it reminds me on tradtional build.
Yeah, but not every colored land in the deck has long life expectancy.
With wastelands and vindicates lurking around, you'd be wise not to go for early dual-land drops. See the semifinal match between Eli Kassis and Kenny Mayer and you'll see what I'm talking about.
But - quot tempora, tot sententiae. :smile:
True, but ....Quote:
Originally Posted by publius_aelius
Well, there are tons of rock decks not running mox diamond, and still playing hymn to tourach and doing well. Therapy is ok, but not more than 2 or 3. Hymn is just simply better than verdict, and too good not to run it. If you are going to play against mana denial oriented deck, you will have trouble with mana screw playing mox diamond or not. Vindicate can take mox also, so i don't see difference. Switching verdict for hymn only because of fear of wasteland means you need noble hierarch in play to cast that gerrard's verdict. But then you are on the same level of problem - you need another mana resource (in this case noble).
People, stop whining about "OMG IT HAS DOUBLE MANA COST, i can't play it in deck because i will loose against wasteland", it's really annoying.
Sorry for my bad english.
I've played against TA many times. Sometimes we die horribly early on, but most of the time they die in a fire if we get to the mid-game. They only have 4 Force of Will, and 8 threats + 8 land screwovers. We have usually 12 creatures, more CA, more removal, 10 pieces of discard, etc. The advice here? Take Stifle, fetch basics. They're not running Sinkhole, so you're good.
TL:DR: If you make it to the mid-game, you can grind them out.
-Matt
It should be noted that TA is slowly changing their deck to have a better mid-game. Sylvan Library, Jace 2.0, Consuming Vapors (SB), etc. Not saying that it'll drastically swing things in their favor, but a well-timed Jace 2.0 can change the gamestate (hope you're holding Vindicate).Quote:
Originally Posted by sdematt
well the thing is the decks are very similar, Team America and junk. the one thing is one is a tempo deck. stifle can hurt really wasteland. this is especially true with wasteland. they have a lot of cards that hurt, fow, jace, library, stifle, spot removal(i hate snuff out. I think it's a bad card), ee, hymn. their sideboard is usually pretty rough. it likely contains smother, go for the throat, ghastly demise, perish, consuming vaoprs, and more jaces. That match isn't really in our favor. Also iIthink last week I was watchinggslive. What pissed me off is the people were harping on this goblins player, max, i believe. they were complaining that he sided in a relic of progenitus against someone playing a traditional junk list. it was just really irritating because in my experience a early relic can be back breaking.
I think eli won because he simply had more unanswered confidants for much longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by publius_aelius
Also, fetching basics makes you MORE vulnerable to vindicate i n a 3 color deck.