Re: 4 Card Blind: The Silkster Seasons
GoblinSmashmaster: Mountain, Mana Crypt, Magus of the Moon, Krark-Clan Grunt, comment: Goblin Tinkerer too smashy
6-0, karakas can handle this. But barely, maths below.
6
Tirrit: Black Lotus, Sheltered Valley, Leatherback Baloth, Pithing Needle, comment:
Ouch, needle! And able to pay for chancellor, and not a legendary.
0-6.
6
dte: Chancellor of the Annex, Karakas, Black lotus, Wrenn and Realmbreaker, comment: Alternating in legacy
Me, playing Wren. Chancellor comes in T4.
FTW: Chancellor of the Annex, Chrome Mox, Mutavault, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, comment: Reeplcheep & Taxes
6-0. My manland is bigger, and bounces your Thalia
12
Wrath of Pie: Shelldock Isle, Lion's Eye Diamond, Simian Spirit Guide, Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre, comment:
2-2, we stare.
14
Silkster: Ancient Tomb, Black Lotus, Mana Vault, Bane of Bala Ged, comment: scared of Unsummon
Nice mana vault! Even OTP and with the tax, you attack me a turn before I can ultimate.
0-6
14
Reeplcheep: Syr Ginger, the Meal Ender, Crystal Vein, Black Lotus, Blood Sun, comment: Copycat
6-0. Syr trades with karakas.
20
GS OTP
GS, play crypt and pay tax
dt, play hand and smash WR5, GS17
GS 14, play either Grunt or moon. Grunt is better.
dt, WR6, attack. If moon, block is just a sacrifice. If Grunt, same> sacrificing the moon ends up with karakas bouncing itself. So, no block and GS11
GS8, second man of the moon/Grunt team. If moon was played first, it cannot attack into 3/3 karakas. So attack with Grunt. Karakas cannot block, or crypt is sacced, and karakas (mountain) dies. From them GS can kill WR. Racing life doesn't work and you are 8 vs 20, losing 6 a turn vs 2. So -2 for WR, WR4
dt, WR5, attack, GS 5.
GS2, attack WR with both. block moonman with karakas, sac crypt, WR still on 2.
OTP is is even easier.
Re: 4 Card Blind: The Silkster Seasons
@dte, can’t you chancellor t2 OTP if you don’t keep Wrenn? And t2 chancellor beats the ceiling deck in a race.
T1 lotus, Wrenn rebuy lotus cast lotus. Ceiling deck plays threat.
T2 float WWW, sac Wrenn, rebuy lotus, cast lotus play karakas chancellor, block 5/5.
Nvm
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FTW: Chancellor of the Annex, Chrome Mox, Mutavault, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, comment: Reeplcheep & Taxes
Seemed good after last round, but everyone played around it.
GoblinSmashmaster: Mountain, Mana Crypt, Magus of the Moon, Krark-Clan Grunt
OTP T1 Thalia stops Crypt!
OTD T1 Crypt / Thalia
T2 Magus turns off Factory / Attack w Thalia [G=15]
T3 Grunt, Magus attacks / Thalia can't trade with Grunt, pass [F=18, G=12]
From here Grunt could keep attacking through Thalia for 2 (Thalia & Magus could both attack or both stay back), but Crypt deals 3, so you lose the race with your own Crypt. You must sacrifice Crypt first. But then neither creature can get through Thalia!
But Thalia can't attack either or you double block to kill (I kill Magus, but then Factory & Grunt trade).
WD 4-1
Tirrit: Black Lotus, Sheltered Valley, Leatherback Baloth, Pithing Needle
OTP T1 Thalia. You can't resolve Lotus or Needle.
OTD you play T1 Lotus. I play Thalia. You can resolve Baloth but not Needle. 4/5 vs 2/1 + 2/2. 4/5 is smart as I had to build to just barely lose this race.
WL 3-3
dte: Chancellor of the Annex, Karakas, Black lotus, Wrenn and Realmbreaker
Your Chancellor delays my T1 Thalia, enough to let you resolve Lotus & Wrenn. If I double block your 3/3 vigilant Karakas, you bounce Thalia and kill 2/2 Mutavault. LL 0-6
Wrath of Pie: Shelldock Isle, Lion's Eye Diamond, Simian Spirit Guide, Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
OTP T1 Thalia. You can't resolve LED without giving up Shelldock.
OTD you play T1 LED paying with SSG, then Shelldock Ulamog. Thalia's too slow.
WL 3-3
Silkster: Ancient Tomb, Black Lotus, Mana Vault, Bane of Bala Ged
You came ready to pay +2 tax on each mana rock. LL 0-6
Reeplcheep: Syr Ginger, the Meal Ender, Crystal Vein, Black Lotus, Blood Sun
OTP T1 Thalia. You can't resolve Blood Sun, but you can play Syr. 2/1 + 2/2 beat X/1!
OTD you play T1 Lotus, I play Thalia. Then you can play T2 Blood Sun, T3 3/1 Syr. (You can't make Syr 4/2 without skipping Blood Sun, then I have 2 creatures). 3/1 still races 2/1 so Thalia stays on defense.
WD 4-1
14 points (4 wins, 2 draws, 6 loss)
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GoblinSmashmaster: Mountain, Mana Crypt, Magus of the Moon, Krark-Clan Grunt, comment: Goblin Tinkerer too smashy
WW - Very close because you can present 5 power of blockers, but you can't do after losing 2 permanents.
Tirrit: Black Lotus, Sheltered Valley, Leatherback Baloth, Pithing Needle, comment:
WW - My 5 toughness is just enough.
dte: Chancellor of the Annex, Karakas, Black lotus, Wrenn and Realmbreaker, comment: Alternating in legacy
WW - This deck does so much, but my thankfully-nonlegendary monster rips it apart.
FTW: Chancellor of the Annex, Chrome Mox, Mutavault, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, comment: Reeplcheep & Taxes
WW - I had this deck (with Factory) in my gauntlet. I calculated that I win at 1 life, which is very satisfying. I didn't expect people to play around this because I didn't think it would be obvious that this was still playable.
Wrath of Pie: Shelldock Isle, Lion's Eye Diamond, Simian Spirit Guide, Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre, comment:
WL - I had some Shelldock lists, but they lost to all the disruption. SSG is a nice way to not lose to Chancellor, and it gets out of the way to speed up the combo, which is critical here.
Silkster: Ancient Tomb, Black Lotus, Mana Vault, Bane of Bala Ged, comment: scared of Unsummon
I got excited when I realized that I could play Mana Vault into a giant threat that only needs to trade with the 5/5.
Reeplcheep: Syr Ginger, the Meal Ender, Crystal Vein, Black Lotus, Blood Sun, comment: Copycat
WW - I had so many decks playing Magus of the Moon or Magus of the Flood, and then I started making lists with Unsummon and a good threat like Dark Depths or Mayor of Avabruck, but I completely forgot about Blood Sun. I hope it does well for you.
Most of my lists were like:
Land, Mox, Mox, Magus of something
Bayou, Island, Unsummon, Bitterblossom/Mayor
Dark Depths + Mana Crypt + Field of Ruin
Dark Depths with removal for a 2/2
Dark Depths with protection for the 20/20 but not for the lands
Chancellor + Thalia
Skerry, Chrome Mox, Chancellor, Magus
In the end, a bit of extra mana was a good call.
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Wrath of Pie: Shelldock Isle, Lion's Eye Diamond, Simian Spirit Guide, Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre, comment:
GoblinSmashmaster: Mountain, Mana Crypt, Magus of the Moon, Krark-Clan Grunt, comment: Goblin Tinkerer too smashy - LL
Tirrit: Black Lotus, Sheltered Valley, Leatherback Baloth, Pithing Needle, comment: - LL
dte: Chancellor of the Annex, Karakas, Black lotus, Wrenn and Realmbreaker, comment: Alternating in legacy - DD
FTW: Chancellor of the Annex, Chrome Mox, Mutavault, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, comment: Reeplcheep & Taxes - WL
Silkster: Ancient Tomb, Black Lotus, Mana Vault, Bane of Bala Ged, comment: scared of Unsummon - WL
Reeplcheep: Syr Ginger, the Meal Ender, Crystal Vein, Black Lotus, Blood Sun, comment: Copycat - LL
2w2d = 8 points
I'm consistent at least.
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Originally Posted by
FTW
FTW:
Chancellor of the Annex,
Chrome Mox,
Mutavault,
Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, comment: Reeplcheep & Taxes
GoblinSmashmaster:
Mountain,
Mana Crypt,
Magus of the Moon,
Krark-Clan Grunt
OTP T1 Thalia / Crypt
T2 attack for 4 / Magus turns off my manland [G=13]
T3 Thalia attacks / Grunt, Magus attacks back [G=8, F=18]
T4 Thalia doesn't attack into Grunt / Magus can't attack into Thalia (Crypt will kill you, so you must sacrifice)
If Thalia attacks into double block, Thalia kills Magus (unlock Mutavault & draw). If Thalia is unblocked, you can't kill in 3 attacks & Thalia races, so you double block to draw.
DD 2-2
OTP, Thalia + Chancellor stops the Mana Crypt, same as it stops a few other Lotuses.
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Originally Posted by
silkster
Most of my lists were like:
Land, Mox, Mox, Magus of something
Bayou, Island, Unsummon, Bitterblossom/Mayor
Dark Depths + Mana Crypt + Field of Ruin
Dark Depths with removal for a 2/2
Dark Depths with protection for the 20/20 but not for the lands
Chancellor + Thalia
Skerry, Chrome Mox, Chancellor, Magus
In the end, a bit of extra mana was a good call.
Unsummon seems really bad when Chain of Vapor exists.
Re: 4 Card Blind: The Silkster Seasons
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Originally Posted by
Wrath of Pie
Unsummon seems really bad when Chain of Vapor exists.
I think one of my lists at some point could actually be punished by the copy ability. I did have a note to myself to double check which would actually be better if I had settled on three other cards to play with the bounce spell.
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Originally Posted by
silkster
After this, we'll do 10 rounds total of backbuild/ceiling (5 of each) in Legacy, with the same 7 cards banned. We'll roll a new starting deck, so please use the same entry form to submit a deck that you would like to be the very first FLOOR deck (we're starting with backbuild). I'll publish them on Friday and take the median deck (or one lower if even number).
Quoting this just for emphasis.
What should a FLOOR deck be?
It's the deck we'll have to WW against in Backbuild?
Must it be able to beat anything? (Basic lands?)
Re: 4 Card Blind: The Silkster Seasons
Quote:
Originally Posted by
silkster
I think one of my lists at some point could actually be punished by the copy ability. I did have a note to myself to double check which would actually be better if I had settled on three other cards to play with the bounce spell.
I think there's also the new gift a fish bounce spell.
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GoblinSmashmaster Results for "Final Round: Blood Bath"
GoblinSmashmaster: Mountain, Mana Crypt, Magus of the Moon, Krark-Clan Grunt, comment: Goblin Tinkerer too smashy
That's me still smashing with a goblin!
Tirrit: Black Lotus, Sheltered Valley, Leatherback Baloth, Pithing Needle, comment:
Baloth smash :( 0-6
dte: Chancellor of the Annex, Karakas, Black lotus, Wrenn and Realmbreaker, comment: Alternating in legacy
Elemental smash :( 0-6
FTW: Chancellor of the Annex, Chrome Mox, Mutavault, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, comment: Reeplcheep & Taxes
Taxes :( 1-4
Wrath of Pie: Shelldock Isle, Lion's Eye Diamond, Simian Spirit Guide, Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre, comment:
Goblin smash! 6-0
Silkster: Ancient Tomb, Black Lotus, Mana Vault, Bane of Bala Ged, comment: scared of Unsummon
Eldrazi smash :( 0-6
Reeplcheep: Syr Ginger, the Meal Ender, Crystal Vein, Black Lotus, Blood Sun, comment: Copycat
Goblin smash! 6-0
13 goblin points!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
silkster
Most of my lists were like:
Land, Mox, Mox, Magus of something
Bayou, Island, Unsummon, Bitterblossom/Mayor
Dark Depths + Mana Crypt + Field of Ruin
Dark Depths with removal for a 2/2
Dark Depths with protection for the 20/20 but not for the lands
Chancellor + Thalia
Skerry, Chrome Mox, Chancellor, Magus
I also had "loses to Moon" decks like
T2 Dark Depths
Leyline of Singularity, Karakas, threat, Mental Misstep (beats Depths, loses to Shelldock Ulamog)
I went for "loses to 5/5" instead, but more were ready for that.
Mishra's Factory would help me in several matches but is not allowed, since Factory + Thalia blocks for 5 & draws with Lupine.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
FTW
Mishra's Factory would help me in several matches but is not allowed, since Factory + Thalia blocks for 5 & draws with Lupine.
It's a real good thing for me that Bane of Bala Ged beat Thalia by 1 life, cause I totally missed that Factory was illegal there.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
FTW
What should a FLOOR deck be?
It's the deck we'll have to WW against in Backbuild?
Must it be able to beat anything? (Basic lands?)
There aren't really restriction on what the floor deck can be. Submit something that you think will make the round a decent round. I got excited about running another fluff round where people can submit whatever wackiness they want to show off, and I hadn't thought about using the winning deck from this round as the floor. It's a good thing too, because my deck loses to Disrupting Shoal on 0 + Mindslaver, and all of a sudden we're at rock bottom. (Maybe don't submit decks with pacts or Mana Crypt/Vault).
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Tirrit: Black Lotus, Sheltered Valley, Leatherback Baloth, Pithing Needle, comment:
I liked that this deck was sort of two 2 card decks that support each other. Baloth/lotus beats all the tiny dorks, pithing needle/untapped land beats some cheaty decks that baloth can't handle on its own, and helps pay for a tax on the lotus. The hardest part was deciding what land to choose. And I chose wrong.
GoblinSmashmaster: Mountain, Mana Crypt, Magus of the Moon, Krark-Clan Grunt, comment: Goblin Tinkerer too smashy
Baloth is big and wins: 6-0
dte: Chancellor of the Annex, Karakas, Black lotus, Wrenn and Realmbreaker, comment: Alternating in legacy
Pithing needle rains on your parade (really cool deck, though. I would normally very much enjoy attending that parade): 6-0
FTW: Chancellor of the Annex, Chrome Mox, Mutavault, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, comment: Reeplcheep & Taxes
I did not think of Chrome mox and so I thought that Thalia decks couldn't play chancellor. This meant that I was more worried about races with flying 4/xs and exalted 4/4s and I foolishly played sheltered valley instead of the answer to Thalia (karakas or a sol land): 3-3
Wrath of Pie: Shelldock Isle, Lion's Eye Diamond, Simian Spirit Guide, Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre, comment:
Pithing needle rains on your parade (I thought hard about this deck, but I didn't play it because I thought it lost to chancellor or thalia, or had to be too slow. I didn't think of simian spirit guide!): 6-0
Silkster: Ancient Tomb, Black Lotus, Mana Vault, Bane of Bala Ged, comment: scared of Unsummon
Playing giant monsters without using non-mana activated abilities is cheating!: 0-6
Reeplcheep: Syr Ginger, the Meal Ender, Crystal Vein, Black Lotus, Blood Sun, comment: Copycat
Baloth is big and wins: 6-0
27/36
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I accidentally thought it was Friday and posted the candidate floor lists. I don't think it matters that much, but I'll leave entries open until tomorrow in case others want to submit or people want to resubmit. I will say that the candidate decks are very weak and I expected you guys to want to floor to be a fair bit higher, but it's a vote, so go with your heart.
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Vs ftw I agree I can’t resolve both bloodsun and threat OTD. I should have played ancient tomb. 7/36
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Originally Posted by
GoblinSmashmaster
Magus isn’t blood sun. Silkster doesn’t have enough mana to cast bane OTD.
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Originally Posted by
Reeplcheep
Magus isn’t blood sun. Silkster doesn’t have enough mana to cast bane OTD.
He can't cast it T1, but bane T2 is more than enough to race.
Re: 4 Card Blind: The Silkster Seasons
We have come to the conclusion of our mini round. As was declared on July 11, the lowest score would be dropped from our 4 rounds, and it has a significant effect this time. Reeplcheep jumps out with a dominating performance after a shaky start to the first ceiling season. What a turnaround!
1. Reeplcheep - 14.3
2. tirrit - 12.7 with a very consistent first season
3. Silkster - 11.5 catching the bronze with a final lunge
4. dte 11.3
5. FTW - 9.1
6. GoblinSmashmaster - 6.2
7. Wrath of Pie - 5.3
I now present the candidate floor decks for our next season. The median will be the first floor deck for a round of backbuild, and each round's winner will be the next ceiling/floor. (Maybe later we'll need to build some walls for our room.)
Reeplcheep: Leyline of Anticipation, Black Lotus, Black Lotus, Covetous Urge, comment: Floor
dte: Codie, Vociferous Codex, Leyline of the Guildpact, Coalition Victory, Saprazzan Cove, comment:
FTW: Leyline of the Guildpact, Rushwood Grove, Upwelling, Coalition Victory, comment: Taste the rainbow
Silkster: Darksteel Citadel, Shizo, Death's Storehouse, Blackmail, Corrupt Zendikon, comment:
GoblinSmashmaster: Black Lotus, Black Lotus, Auriok Salvagers, Rise of the Hobgoblins, comment: Goblin smash!!!!
Wrath of Pie: Icatian Store, Archangel Elspeth, Elspeth, Sun's Nemesis, Elspeth's Talent, comment: I look forward to the submit Elspeth round
Link to the new google sheet for pre-round scores: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=894983451
Re: 4 Card Blind: The Silkster Seasons
You sure you want the winner of a backbuild round to be something we have to lose to?
