Re: [DTB] Miracle Control
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Originally Posted by
Poron
so, you let resolve a blind SnT?
If they drop soemthing strange (like a Iona on white) or Emrakul, what do we do?
Show and Tell isn't game over, far from it. Clique, Counterbalance, Flusterstorm, Pyroblast, Meddling Mage and Canonist are all very effective tools to fight an Omniscience put into play.
No Omni deck plays Iona.
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Originally Posted by
Quasim0ff
Yes, I let them drop SnT if they have boseiju, as it's retarded to board Blood Moon vs them.
Yeah. Wasteland I get, especially for something like GP Kyoto where you could expect a very large showing of Omni. Siding in Moon vs them seems batshit insane.
Re: [DTB] Miracle Control
Don't listen to poron, 80% of the stuff he writes is bad advice.
Re: [DTB] Miracle Control
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Originally Posted by
CutthroatCasual
Don't listen to poron, 80% of the stuff he writes is bad advice.
I've noticed, Null Rod is perfect SB tech for MUD, right? :cool:
But I am slightly intrigued to hear his thoughts on things sometimes, simply because his suggestions are so off the wall.
Re: [DTB] Miracle Control
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Originally Posted by
Dissection
I've noticed, Null Rod is perfect SB tech for MUD, right? :cool:
But I am slightly intrigued to hear his thoughts on things sometimes, simply because his suggestions are so off the wall.
I think he prepares for corner cases. I know because I used to do this with my Modern deck: sideboard cards that would be relevant in only ONE matchup. In Modern you can get away with that, but not in Legacy.
Re: [DTB] Miracle Control
never said Null Rod is the perfect tech vs MUD. I said MUD was so much a bad matchup that the only thing I could think of was Blood Moon and Null Rod.
Anyway, I find Blood Moon to be a fantastic drop with Canonist in hand vs Omnitell.
You only fear Emrakul, they run out of fetchlands and all black mana..
Re: [DTB] Miracle Control
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Originally Posted by
Poron
never said Null Rod is the perfect tech vs MUD. I said MUD was so much a bad matchup that the only thing I could think of was Blood Moon and Null Rod.
Anyway, I find Blood Moon to be a fantastic drop with Canonist in hand vs Omnitell.
You only fear Emrakul, they run out of fetchlands and all black mana..
What Omnitell deck runs black? They're either Mono U or UR. Black has been tested and proven to be not as good as the other two.
You're tapping out turn 3 for Blood Moon? Jesus.
Re: [DTB] Miracle Control
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Originally Posted by
CutthroatCasual
What Omnitell deck runs black? They're either Mono U or UR. Black has been tested and proven to be not as good as the other two.
Carsten Kotter does
http://www.starcitygames.com/article...Knowledge.html
Re: [DTB] Miracle Control
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Originally Posted by
ScatmanX
That's much more a Young Pyromancer deck than a regular Omnitell though.
Re: [DTB] Miracle Control
hi guys!!!
about the Dazes: it is the best card in this deck for now, because you want drop our strong cards even in early game (like CB, Mentor) with free counter backup and as you can see in my final against classic miracle daze could be devastating. :tongue:
about Burn and Omni: against burn obv set CB+Top combo. against Omni could be more difficult but if they have boseiju you leave them drop Omni and counter with CB (drop 3) or put with show our Canonist and than cast Reb in EoT. but usualy when you have CB+Top with drop 3 on top the game is near to be over.
Re: [DTB] Miracle Control
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Originally Posted by
CutthroatCasual
What Omnitell deck runs black? They're either Mono U or UR. Black has been tested and proven to be not as good as the other two.
You're tapping out turn 3 for Blood Moon? Jesus.
Actually I see a lot of black in Omnitell. With all those cantrips, Vault is almost as good as Intuition.
Also, in modern meta with all the answears around (like Moon) Thoughtseize is so good ti have before SnTelling around
Anyway, if you have CB with a 3cc card in top, why wouldn't you play Blood Moon? I would play it also with a lone Canonist in hand..
Re: [DTB] Miracle Control
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Originally Posted by
B88
hi guys!!!
about the Dazes: it is the best card in this deck for now, because you want drop our strong cards even in early game (like CB, Mentor) with free counter backup and as you can see in my final against classic miracle daze could be devastating. :tongue:
A friend and myself have been testing Ponder vs Mentor, Daze is absolutely backbreaking! I think I'm going to be shifting to the Mentor build very soon.
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Originally Posted by
Poron
Actually I see a lot of black in Omnitell. With all those cantrips, Vault is almost as good as Intuition.
Also, in modern meta with all the answears around (like Moon) Thoughtseize is so good ti have before SnTelling around
Anyway, if you have CB with a 3cc card in top, why wouldn't you play Blood Moon? I would play it also with a lone Canonist in hand..
Moon is an answer to...what? Their islands? I'm failing to see how you're thinking Blood Moon affects Omni at all, apart from Boseiju which is not a good enough reason to bring it in.
Vault and Intuition aren't really comparable outside of both being slightly clunky at what they do. Vault doesn't replace itself, which is a pretty big deal, while Intuition isn't 2cmc to grab with FF, which is also a big deal. Anyway...this is the Miracles thread, enough of that.
Re: [DTB] Miracle Control
do we agree that 3cc on top is just the best thing possible against Omnitell?
Blood Moon helps that as well..
IMHO Miracle has to attack somehow manabase in modern meta. There so many lands that make things uncounterable (Cavern of Souls, Boseiju) that I would even play one MD
it also helps a lot against 4c Delver and Loam decks.
I will start testing 1 MD and 1 SB
Re: [DTB] Miracle Control
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Originally Posted by
Poron
do we agree that 3cc on top is just the best thing possible against Omnitell?
Blood Moon helps that as well..
IMHO Miracle has to attack somehow manabase in modern meta. There so many lands that make things uncounterable (Cavern of Souls, Boseiju) that I would even play one MD
it also helps a lot against 4c Delver and Loam decks.
I will start testing 1 MD and 1 SB
If only people played Wasteland in miracles now.
Ponder miracles is inferior to Mentor Miracles, which is clearly (or close to) the bet miracles shell.
*What does a 3 do vs SnT if they have Boseiju? Stop Cunning wish?
Re: [DTB] Miracle Control
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Originally Posted by
Poron
do we agree that 3cc on top is just the best thing possible against Omnitell?
Blood Moon helps that as well..
We should play Choke too, as it's 3cmc for CB and attacks Omnis mana!
Re: [DTB] Miracle Control
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Originally Posted by
Quasim0ff
If only people played Wasteland in miracles now.
Ponder miracles is inferior to Mentor Miracles, which is clearly (or close to) the bet miracles shell.
*What does a 3 do vs SnT if they have Boseiju? Stop Cunning wish?
Yea, which is a must counter card..
Re: [DTB] Miracle Control
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Originally Posted by
Poron
Yea, which is a must counter card..
Which should be a problem, considering you have REB/Flusterstorm/Force/Counterspell (which all does something, compared to Blood moon).
Re: [DTB] Miracle Control
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Originally Posted by
Quasim0ff
If only people played Wasteland in miracles now.
Ponder miracles is inferior to Mentor Miracles, which is clearly (or close to) the bet miracles shell.
*What does a 3 do vs SnT if they have Boseiju? Stop Cunning wish?
on what basis do you support this argument?
Re: [DTB] Miracle Control
Has anyone played against the Gold Digger (UW Control) list? How's the match up?
Re: [DTB] Miracle Control
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Originally Posted by
B88
against Omni could be more difficult but if they have boseiju you leave them drop Omni and counter with CB (drop 3) or put with show our Canonist and than cast Reb in EoT. but usualy when you have CB+Top with drop 3 on top the game is near to be over.
If I were on Omnitell, you dropped a CB off a Show & Tell that I cast off Boseiju, Cunning Wish was my only viable pathway to victory, and you plausibly have a 3 on top… wouldn't I be wise to wait a turn and use Boseiju to cast wish?
Re: [DTB] Miracle Control
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Originally Posted by
matunos
If I were on Omnitell, you dropped a CB off a Show & Tell that I cast off Boseiju, Cunning Wish was my only viable pathway to victory, and you plausibly have a 3 on top… wouldn't I be wise to wait a turn and use Boseiju to cast wish?
Sure...there are ways around it, but then the Omni isn't really doing much, is it? In that time it's quite likely that it gets Pyroblasted.