[Deck] UWR Delver

I'm currently testing Owen's list -1 Pierce, -1 StP, +2 TC
It looks pretty good, since UWR does not uses the graveyard (only grim lavamancer in SB), but it's good to remember the deck doesn't fill the grav as fast as UR does. UR uses 4 Gitaxian Probe and I could't find slots for them in UWR. That's because I guess 2 is the perfect number for UWR.
I'm using 20 lands and I didn't want to cut a single copy of ponder, since it's not bording probes or stifles anymore.

4 Tundra
3 Volcanic Island
9 Blue Fetchlands
4 Wasteland

4 Delver
4 SFM
2 TNN
1 Batterskull
1 Jitte

4 BS
4 Ponder
2 TC
4 FoW
4 Daze
3 Pierce
4 Bolt
3 StP

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Originally Posted by Kamus

I'm currently testing Owen's list -1 Pierce, -1 StP, +2 TC
It looks pretty good, since UWR does not uses the graveyard (only grim lavamancer in SB), but it's good to remember the deck doesn't fill the grav as fast as UR does. UR uses 4 Gitaxian Probe and I could't find slots for them in UWR. That's because I guess 2 is the perfect number for UWR.
I'm using 20 lands and I didn't want to cut a single copy of ponder, since it's not bording probes or stifles anymore.

4 Tundra
3 Volcanic Island
9 Blue Fetchlands
4 Wasteland

4 Delver
4 SFM
2 TNN
1 Batterskull
1 Jitte

4 BS
4 Ponder
2 TC
4 FoW
4 Daze
3 Pierce
4 Bolt
3 StP

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I'm operating with 3 cruises with zero problems regarding making my land drops. 20 lands for a Delver deck is plenty. I played about 10 games against Shardless and cruised up to 2 times a game with zero problems. Out of the 10 games I only casted cruise for more than 1 mana once. This was my 2nd cruise with only 4 cards in the yard. I had no action that turn with only free counters and removal in hand so it wasn't a big deal. If I had some action it would have been 1-2 mana the next turn.

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Originally Posted by Kamus

I'm currently testing Owen's list -1 Pierce, -1 StP, +2 TC
It looks pretty good, since UWR does not uses the graveyard (only grim lavamancer in SB), but it's good to remember the deck doesn't fill the grav as fast as UR does. UR uses 4 Gitaxian Probe and I could't find slots for them in UWR. That's because I guess 2 is the perfect number for UWR.
I'm using 20 lands and I didn't want to cut a single copy of ponder, since it's not bording probes or stifles anymore.

4 Tundra
3 Volcanic Island
9 Blue Fetchlands
4 Wasteland

4 Delver
4 SFM
2 TNN
1 Batterskull
1 Jitte

4 BS
4 Ponder
2 TC
4 FoW
4 Daze
3 Pierce
4 Bolt
3 StP

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I'm operating with 3 cruises and 3 Ponders with zero problems regarding making my land drops. 20 lands for a Delver deck is plenty. I played about 10 games against Shardless and cruised up to 2 times a game with zero problems. Out of the 10 games I only casted cruise for more than 1 mana once. This was my 2nd cruise with only 4 cards in the yard. I had no action that turn with only free counters and removal in hand so it wasn't a big deal. If I had some action it would have been 1-2 mana the next turn.

Played a local tourney today with Uwr Delver. Was fooling around with 4 Cruises before the tourney to test it out. Turned out abit clunky against Deathrite Shaman. So went back down to 3. Played the following list:

4 Delver
4 Stoneforge
2 TNN
1 Batterskull
1 Jitte
4 Brainstorm
3 Ponder
3 Treasure Cruise
4 Force of Will
4 Daze
3 Spell Pierce
3 STP
4 Bolt

4 Strand
4 Scalding
1 Mesa
4 Tundra
3 Volc
4 Wasteland

SB:
3 REB
4 Meddling Mage
1 SOFF
1 TNN
2 Grim Lavamancer
2 RIP
1 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Wear/Tear

Round 1 vs Death and Taxes

G1 he manages to land 2 Mother of Runes. I fetch Jitte with SFM and eventually land TNN to finish up the game. He has no answer for TNN and I machine gun his board with Jitte.

G2 He keeps a one wasteland plus Vial hand after a mull to 6. I keep. He sticks the T1 vial and proceeds to waste the land I play after I cast a Delver. He builds a board of Mom and Revoker Naming Jitte after I fetch up one with SFM. He gets stuck with no lands almost the whole game and I eventually get a TNN and destroy his Revoker. Jitte plus TNN mop up the game.

R2 against RUG Delver
G1 I take down the game with TNN because you know it's ridiculous. He did not see green the entire game and I saw just Delver and Volcanic Island plus Basic Island.

G2 I did not know he was on rug so I didn't board in the RIPs. He wastelands me out of the game. I was on zero lands pretty much the majority of the game. I saw mongoose and Young Pyro but no Goyf so I assume he must have swapped Pyro for Goyf.

G3 I did not bring in RIP because he does not run Goyf so less effective. I wasteland him out of this game. He pretty much had basic island only the whole game. I mulled to six but manage.to Resolve a cruse for 2 mana with Spell Pierce back up that pretty much won me the game. He couldn't recover.

R3 vs 4c Deathblade. I was winning alot in testing prior to this match due to Treasure cruise.

G1 He sticks a T2 Geist of St Trath while I durdle with Ponder and Brainstorm abit due to keeping a 1 land hand after. He wastelands me and I can't recover from 6 damage a turn from Geist. I was stuck on 0-1 lands the entire game.

G2 I mull to 6 but keep a decent hand. He boarded in Meddling Mage and named Cruise with it lol. I stick a TNN and proceed to win on TNN plus Jitte after a long game of trading resources.

G3 was long and difficult. He started with T1 Deathrite. I had a 2 fetch 2 wasteland hand so I gambled and went for the screw. I wasteland both his lands first 2 turns but he has a Noble Heirarch off Deathrite. I durdle with my cantrips and he manages to stick a SFM for Sofi. I keep wastelands (3rd) to deny him the equip mana. I killed the Sfm with bolt in response to Sofi equip while I try to dig for some action. I manage to find a Sfm and search out Skull with Jitte in hand. I activate Sfm end of his turn and he response cliques which gets rid of Batterskull. I drop Jitte instead. He already has a Sofi equipped Deathrite plus Heirarch and Clique. He tapped the deathrite to pay for clique and was tapped out. My turn I equipped Sfm with Jitte and swung in to trade with his clique. I pinged the noble and passed he connects with Sofi 3-4 times over the next few turns but does not draw land. I durdle and cantrip/cruise looking for STP.

I eventually found a TNN plus Wear/Tear after a Cruise. He swings hus Sofi equipped deathrite and I kill the Sofi plus block with TNN. He drops a Geist but I have the REB. TNN with Jitte and Batterskull equipped mops up the game.

Went 3-0 and the deck felt really powerful. In the Delver matchups Uwr feels the most control since we have equips and TNN. Feels favored for us. Control also feels favored for us because Treasure Cruise is such a powerful mid game gas refill. Very happy with the list. Really miss the 4th STP but not sure what to cut in the board. Pretty tight as it is.

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Originally Posted by ivanpei

Played a local tourney today with Uwr Delver. Was fooling around with 4 Cruises before the tourney to test it out. Turned out abit clunky against Deathrite Shaman. So went back down to 3. Played the following list:

4 Delver
4 Stoneforge
2 TNN
1 Batterskull
1 Jitte
4 Brainstorm
3 Ponder
3 Treasure Cruise
4 Force of Will
4 Daze
3 Spell Pierce
3 STP
4 Bolt

4 Strand
4 Scalding
1 Mesa
4 Tundra
3 Volc
4 Wasteland

SB:
3 REB
4 Meddling Mage
1 SOFF
1 TNN
2 Grim Lavamancer
2 RIP
1 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Wear/Tear

Went 3-0 and the deck felt really powerful. In the Delver matchups Uwr feels the most control since we have equips and TNN. Feels favored for us. Control also feels favored for us because Treasure Cruise is such a powerful mid game gas refill. Very happy with the list. Really miss the 4th STP but not sure what to cut in the board. Pretty tight as it is.

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Congrats on the finish, your list looks good! Maybe you wanna just drop the 20th land in favour of StoP #4? I mean now with the addition of 3 TC there is plenty of draw/mana fixing in the deck. And even before, 19 lands has been doing just fine for me.

I just want to say, Treasure Cruise just feels right, especially in the other delver match ups. The only downside I saw was it not being an instant, stealing their food for deathrite and shrinking their Goyf (at times) against bug was really nice, finding more answers verse other decks was also very relevant most games. I want to try changing it up a little more, but for the time being I cut probes from my list in favor of cruise, and cut 1 ponder for a dig through time. I'm not sure what is going to be the star, but we will see..


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I personally think that Dig wins out in this deck over Cruise. Number of cards is not better than Instant speed and select the cards you need.

I play this deck like a control deck, so that might just skew my views on the card.

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Originally Posted by ivanpei

Played a local tourney today with Uwr Delver. Was fooling around with 4 Cruises before the tourney to test it out. Turned out abit clunky against Deathrite Shaman. So went back down to 3. Played the following list:

4 Delver
4 Stoneforge
2 TNN
1 Batterskull
1 Jitte
4 Brainstorm
3 Ponder
3 Treasure Cruise
4 Force of Will
4 Daze
3 Spell Pierce
3 STP
4 Bolt

4 Strand
4 Scalding
1 Mesa
4 Tundra
3 Volc
4 Wasteland

SB:
3 REB
4 Meddling Mage
1 SOFF
1 TNN
2 Grim Lavamancer
2 RIP
1 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Wear/Tear

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Hey

Don't you thinkthat having 2 rip with 2 grim & 2 TC isn't bad?

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Originally Posted by Kid

Hey

Don't you thinkthat having 2 rip with 2 grim & 2 TC isn't bad?

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Have you played with Cruise yet? The card is BONKERS. This deck needs to play it. Unfortunately, it doesn't play nice with, by far, the most brutal grave-hate in the format: Rest in Peace.

That being said, when you bring in RiP, Cruise would be the first thing I would cut. RiP is normally a silver bullet. If we get it into play, there is a very good chance we win the game. With as powerful as Treasure Cruise is, I will take RiP over it in a few match-ups. Also, I agree that Grim Lavamancer could be removed from the SB and a few additional removal spells could be added because of the dis-synergy(is this even a word?) with Treasure Cruise. With cruise, we can draw into extra removal that Lavamancer would provide. This now frees up 2 SB slots. Depending on your MD choices, Pithing Needle and an extra StP seem like acceptable options to me.

Let me know if anyone else has ideas regarding this. I am not saying I am 100% right here, but I feel very strongly that Cruise fits perfectly into this deck and that RiP is one of the best SB cards we have.

Hello All,

I'm new to the forum so i'm not sure if this is where I'm supposed to post this. I recently won a local GPT with a stock version of this list updated with 2 treasure cruise in the main. Being that I now have byes to the GP I would like to do my homework and be able to actually piolt this list competently outside my local meta. (full of elves players)

I have 4 meddling mage in my sideboard and I'm not really sure how to use them. What match-ups are they worth siding in? What are good ways to decide what to name? So far they have just been completely dead in my sideboard since im not sure how to use them.

Mage is a card that you have to know other decks inside out to play correctly. You would bring it in mostly against Combo and name cards they need to win. Naming something like Dark Ritual or Tendrils against ANT, Show and Tell against Sneak and show, Omniscience against Omnishow (SnT only being half the issue here thanks to Dream halls), Blood Moon/Grindstone against Painter, Natural order against Elves (Note that Elvish Visionary is a fine name too). You can also use it as an extra threat in games where you are the beatdown. Disrupting the other player while you hit them is a good plan, sometimes thinking outside the box is smart.

Hope that helps.

Thanks. I guess i should have been siding meddling mage in for TNN against elves then. My meta doesnt have a lot of combo just elves, delver mirrors, and miracles. with the ocassional stoneblade list.

is batterskull our only out for the burn match-up? In my testing so far the matchup has seemed really rough between eidolon, the blaze effects and the fact we run no basics.

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Have you played with Cruise yet? The card is BONKERS. This deck needs to play it. Unfortunately, it doesn't play nice with, by far, the most brutal grave-hate in the format: Rest in Peace.

That being said, when you bring in RiP, Cruise would be the first thing I would cut. RiP is normally a silver bullet. If we get it into play, there is a very good chance we win the game. With as powerful as Treasure Cruise is, I will take RiP over it in a few match-ups. Also, I agree that Grim Lavamancer could be removed from the SB and a few additional removal spells could be added because of the dis-synergy(is this even a word?) with Treasure Cruise. With cruise, we can draw into extra removal that Lavamancer would provide. This now frees up 2 SB slots. Depending on your MD choices, Pithing Needle and an extra StP seem like acceptable options to me.

Let me know if anyone else has ideas regarding this. I am not saying I am 100% right here, but I feel very strongly that Cruise fits perfectly into this deck and that RiP is one of the best SB cards we have.

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Just bought 4 copies of it and it surely seems bonkers. I'm not judging that. I'm just asking myself some questions about the SB with TC.
I was thinking the same thing about siding out some TC for RIP but I don't know what to think about teh grims!

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Originally Posted by Kid

Just bought 4 copies of it and it surely seems bonkers. I'm not judging that. I'm just asking myself some questions about the SB with TC.
I was thinking the same thing about siding out some TC for RIP but I don't know what to think about teh grims!

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Last night grims and cruises never occurred simultaneously for me, so it was never a problem, but it was only a 2 of... I can see it being bad, I am trying to figure out another sideboard option but can't think of one personally.


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Originally Posted by venice

Congrats on the finish, your list looks good! Maybe you wanna just drop the 20th land in favour of StoP #4? I mean now with the addition of 3 TC there is plenty of draw/mana fixing in the deck. And even before, 19 lands has been doing just fine for me.

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I've cut the 4th Tundra, which I think is correct but I find myself fiddling with the Spell Pierce, TC, STP and Gitaxian Probe numbers.


In regards to meddling mage, I agree with many of the sentiments above. I also think it's decent against miracles.

This has been said before, but TC is just insane in this deck. The ability to have a much better late game by refueling with cruise won me so many of my games. Before TC, I used to have problems closing out the game due to lack of a form of raw card advantage, like shardless has. The card just put me way ahead of my opponent after casting it, and I think this deck should run at least 2, if not 3.

I'm going to dust off this deck for a few weeks of testing before SCG Oakland next month. I agree that treasure cruise is exactly what the decks needs to help keep the pressure when games go long.

I still need to figure out the optimal number the TCs to run and how far to cut down on Spell Pierce and Swords to Plowshares in order to make room. The correct number of TCs seems to be 4, but it will mean having only 2-3 copies of STP and 2 copies of Pierce.

I have not tested cruise in the deck yet, but am I correct in assuming that it makes the match against miracles better? Seems like many games against miracles comes down to a topdecking war and I can really see a good draw-3 help out alot.

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Originally Posted by Pennywise the clown

I have not tested cruise in the deck yet, but am I correct in assuming that it makes the match against miracles better? Seems like many games against miracles comes down to a topdecking war and I can really see a good draw-3 help out alot.

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Also, it gets around counterbalance pretty well. I don't think miracles has a single 8 mana spell in their deck.

For me the correct number is 3 cruises in this deck. I tried 4 which was great vs control but was overkill. I keep getting them early game in multiples which is not very good in terms of early game pressure.

On the 20th land, it's personal preference. I played with 19 lands and 3 probes before and really disliked how much more I was mulling. Felt like I mulled 20% more with that 1 less land.

On Cruise plus Grim and Rip. Ok I boarded in Grim vs Death and Taxes, Rug AND Esperblade. My experience was that if you can get a few activations from Grim you've already won. Most of the time Grim is a must kill and dies ASAP similar to bob. But if you've activated it a few times you've won. If it dies, it is a really cheap must kill threat.

I t4ed a big legacy GP Kuala Lumpur side event earlier this year with this deck. I ran 2 Grim maindeck with 1 in the side. It was my absolute MVP the whole day. I ran 2 RIPs in the side and boarded them in together with Grim plenty of times, it was fine. Opponents have counters and if either sticks you are in good shape. Don't forget that opponents have removal and counters. If they don't, you're in a good position too.

As for rip I do not bring it in as often anymore but would still do so vs bug. I would not board out the Cruises because both are devastating against them. I'll test that matchup more postboard and see how it goes. At worst if you have an in play RIP you can either wait for RIP to be destroyed or pitch Cruise to Force or Brainstorm.