So I guess Delver decks just don't need Draw-3s! Case closed! Snapcaster is more than enough!Quote:
Originally Posted by Koby
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So I guess Delver decks just don't need Draw-3s! Case closed! Snapcaster is more than enough!Quote:
Originally Posted by Koby
Congrats on the finish, really looking forward to the article!Quote:
Originally Posted by akatsuki
I think the problem with Wasteland and Stifle is that you can't always put them in the graveyard when you want. Maybe they don't crack that fetch and maybe you're playing against a deck with basics, in those situations fetches + cantrips / burn are better at enabling Pyromancer / Swiftspear and Cruise. This list is more aggro oriented than the the standard non PoP list I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
I might be wrong, but I think you probably want PoP if you're playing GG.Quote:
Originally Posted by wcm8
The Aggro approach is fine, but I was pondering if it really fits with TCs nature of needing 3-5 turns to come online. Isn't the Swiftspear just bad by then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Collman
After resolving TC you do get some spells to get Swiftspear big enough to matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
I guess TC is more about getting advanced on the board, since there will be usually 2 more non-land cards, which means more tokens and less threats on the enemy side (bolts to their faces). It may be more about getting ahead on the late game. I was already thinking of try pyromancer, but with this result I guess I'll try the whole TC/Pyromancer/Swiftspear.
Congrats for the win Bob, and also for the guts of trying this new approach! Unfortunately I only got to see the finals but it was awesome! This result will for sure put UR Delver back on the spotlights, as the newcomers swiftspear and TC.
I get the strong appeal that TC and I really don't doubt about it's effectiveness. But my point is, doesn't multiple TC makes you want to mulligan more than usual? I mean, if your initial hand isn't very consistent and has a copy of TC in it, isn't that hard for your early game? It can be pitch to FoW, but it seems a little flat to me. I will definitely run at least 2 copies of it in my deck, but I guess 4 of them would make your early game harder on you, if it's not too consistent.Quote:
Originally Posted by akatsuki
By the way, I was just about to post this reply when I saw Dig Through Time. It seems really strong card, getting to pick 2 among 7 cards seems better than just drawing 3 cards. The extra "non-delvable" mana seems not attractive, but I guess a lot of times you just had to play TC for 2 or 3 cmc anyway. What do you guys think about this card? This could also work like a shuffle effect for brainstorm, since you still look at other 5 cards and chose 2 among them and put the rest on the bottom of your library.
PS.: Sorry for my bad english, it's been some time since I haven't practiced it.
I cannot believe it. Seriously I am in shock that TC is not just playable, but apparently really good. It looked so incredibly shitty to me and I went to great lengths to tell everyone it was garbage!
Well, I fully admit I was wrong. I'm still not convinced it's 4-of worthy, but when reviewing the games that Bob Huang played, it's become apparent that its early game function is FoW fodder, so maybe 4 is the right call! I mean I can't argue with his results can I?
That said, I STILL don't think monestary swiftspear is anything to write home about. In a lot of games he topdecked it and it only swung in for 1 damage in situations where goblin guide would have been better.
It certainly seems to me like this archetype is splitting into snapcaster/price decks and pyro/swiftspear decks. Personally I'm not gonna stop playing with snapcaster because that card is just my absolute favorite creature ever to play with, and I'm not convinced swiftspear fits in my current deck. I also am not sure treasure cruise fits in my current deck since I rely so heavily on flashback and grim lavamancer.
What I'm saying is basically: Treasure cruise and swiftspear are apparently very good, but you have to SERIOUSLY change your deck to make them work. Don't just jam them into your deck and call it a day, you have to really think about what you're doing with them.
It's important to note that daze and goblin guide absolutely do NOT belong in the same deck. Daze loses its value when you have the distinct possibility of giving your opponent lands.
Another important note is that swiftspear rewards casting spells on your turn. This isn't a bad thing it's just important to remember what you're playing with. It means you're not going for the control game, you're going for the aggro route, except without price of progress. Seems weird to me come to think of it.
Look the point I'm making is that despite both decks including only two colors and delver, this new list is by and large its own creation. It's a new thing. It's different. We probably shouldn't make blanket statements like "swiftspear/TC is bad/good because reasons" because there are now two distinct archetypes of UR and even these archetypes have distinct builds within them.
It's probably a meta call, which is such a cop-out to say but there you have it, it's a total meta call.
Can Snapcaster and TC play together? While it seems that they would not, I would be interested to see a list that ran a 2/2 or 2/3 split (one way or another).
"It's important to note that daze and goblin guide absolutely do NOT belong in the same deck. Daze loses its value when you have the distinct possibility of giving your opponent lands."
Goblin Guide doesn't give the opponent more lands. He can give them more spells. If is was a land on top, they would have drawn it anyway, so it doesn't make Daze worse.
These are different lists, with different strategy. One uses 8 burn spells. The other uses 8 free counterspells. Good use of critical thinking!Quote:
Originally Posted by MGB
Yeah, it's totally a different kind of game. UR Burn Delver is something like Guide beating in the very early game, Delver flying over goyf's heads and burning going straight up. Yeah, not absolutely this way since you may sometimes burn the enemy's creatures, but it's pretty much it. And also, price of progress showing your opponent that their progress should not go unchecked and hitting them for tons of damage. UR Burn is meant to finish the game as early as possible, and stopping goyfs not by killing or countering it, but but making they stay on defensive because of your guide when they are at 8 life.Quote:
Originally Posted by kaminamina
The line of play of this new UR decklist goes more for the grindy kind of game, as it's list makes more value of Pyromancer and Swiftspear with it's tons of cantrips and board-whipping spells (that's why it runs a 2-1 split of forked/chain instead of the other way around). It's supposed to make a great board presence with pyromancer and fast clock with delver, but not as fast and board-ignoring clock as UR Burn Delver. I mean, that's what I guess is the line taken when I see the list.
I only disagree with the daze/guide statement. Both are incredible cards at the early game, and that's the moment you have to hit them in the face and counter their spells, and daze does it without denying you the possibility of playing the cards you have to play in the beginning of the game. If your opponent has few lands, daze is great and if it has too much PoP is beyond great.
I am pretty consistently unimpressed by daze in UR. I think daze is incredible in a deck that runs wasteland and even more incredible in a deck that runs stifle and wasteland but if you're not running either I'd rather fill those slots with spell pierces and/or burn. But it's all opinion in the end, and I might be wrong in light of Huang's deck.Quote:
Originally Posted by echofish
I think the list will evolve over time though and it will either gain wastes or lose daze.
This is just wrong and shortsighted, as others already pointed out. Daze is about aggression, which is exactly what Goblin Guide is also in the deck for. Guide gets worse the longer the game goes on and Daze helps you slow down the pace of the game. You dont care about giving the opponent lands (PoP says hi). You care about getting the beats in.Quote:
Originally Posted by kaminamina
Alright a lot of people are calling me out on my goblin guide/daze comment so I'll just address you all together.
The last time UR Delver took first place at a large tournament it was (unless I'm mistaken) Andrew Schneider's list, which you can find here. It is, in my opinion, the quintessential UR Burn deck. It doesn't have any bells or whistles; It's 8 beaters, 13 burn spells (I'm counting lavamancer as burn), 4 snapcasters, 6 counterspells, and then a whole lot of cantrips. That's the deck, that's what he ran with, and it worked. It's about as straight forward as deck building can be. The only thing that people were confused about was the lack of daze.
It turns out that when your strategy is to just burn them out, daze doesn't actually help you a whole lot. You don't have any mana denial so the 1 mana is negligible after the first few turns (unless your opponent is just bad; playing around daze is one of the first things you learn to do in legacy), and bouncing a land is a tempo play on yourself because it keeps you off snapcaster mana. Remember, unlike RUG and this newer UR tempo style of deck, you actually run a pseudo-4-drop since one of your most consistent win conditions is flashing back price. Being able to flash back bolt on turn 3 is also huge since it puts another body on the field. In my personal experience daze is incredibly underwhelming in decks that run snapcaster. Decks that run snapcaster are probably also running price, decks that run price are probably running goblin guide, therefore I think guide and daze don't belong in the same deck for several reasons.
In this newer tempo style of deck you really only need like 2 mana to win. With pyromancer and swiftblade you want as mana 0 mana cards as you can, so 4 daze is probably fine, plus you don't need huge amounts of mana (you know it's legacy when 4 mana is a huge amount of mana). So daze is probably ok here.
Actually, it's definitely at least "ok" here because Huang just wrecked that SCG open with 4 daze. However I'm just not sure it's the best choice since you don't run waste.
In my opinion waste and daze are best friends, and waste is already incredibly strong. I don't think going up to 14 lands and 4 wastes (cutting a treasure cruise probably) is out of the question for Huang's deck. I also don't think that cutting daze for 3 spell pierce and 1 chain lighting (or 2 pierce/2 chains or whatever the hell you want in those slots) is out the question.
Remember that this deck is brand new. The cards haven't even been legal for more than a week. When asked, Huang said he brought 4 treasure cruise "because he had a feeling about them;" it seems to me like he's a very skilled player and he was testing these new cards out, and it turns out that hey, the test is a rousing success. Just because he won the open doesn't mean his list is infallible and legacy decks aren't perfected the first time they win a tournament.
And finally, this is all opinion based on anecdotal evidence. If you call someone's opinion on magic cards wrong you probably just have different experiences with the cards than them, and that's fine, but it's important to recognize that unless I test every card I'm discussing like a thousand times against every other tier 1 or 2 deck I won't have an actual basis to call any of it fact, and neither do you.
Example:That's a really good point, they are both incredible early game cards. I still disagree with you but at least we both have reasons. I never considered running both daze and PoP as "hedging your bets" so to speak.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThiefSlayer
By saying "I disagree with you" he immediately suggests that it's an opinion, and the rest of the post comes across as conversational instead of confrontational.
When you start your post out with "this is just wrong" you imply that everything you're writing afterward is fact. It literally cannot be fact because it's a card game. You also say "Daze is about aggression" which isn't strictly speaking incorrect, but it also ignores the fact that it can be used to great effect as a control card. You say you don't care about giving the opponent lands, which is true for price of progress, but not really true about daze because it gets worse the more mana they have. Show me a miracle player tapping out for entreat the angels and I will show you a bad miracle player.Quote:
Originally Posted by JDK
Anyway sorry for the long post I took like 60mg of adderall this morning and I'm more wired than a car bomb
I think the Daze / Goblin Guide dichotomy makes sense, at least from having played the GG side of that equation to a great finish. That side of the spectrum is a glorified burn deck, and you don't care about any spell the opponent plays so long as it prevents you from winning. Young Pyromancer, on the other hand, fits more along the lines of Daze and has incredible synergy with it (turn 2, protect YP against removal, make a 1/1).
It's at the point where updating either list (YP/Daze and GG/Burn) with new cards like Treasure Cruise comes at an opportunity cost of eliminating some other element in the deck.
I believe that Huang's list reflects the lowered reliance on burn (Chain lightning, POP) in order to fuel more cantrip chains for Monastary Swiftspear.
I think Monastary Swiftspear still has a solid place in the GG/Burn variations, as at least this aspect both decks share (chaining cantrips, main phase burn).
I actually agree with everything you said in this post. I guess it's just about how we value different things of the game. Here are two things that I use to consider when I play daze: I have to have at least 8 counterspells in this deck (this is kinda arbitrary, and just my opinion on this deck), and the early game for this deck defines how will be the pace of the game and the way your opponent uses his resources.Quote:
Originally Posted by kaminamina
In my experience there are 3 or 4 different MD counterspell choises for this deck: Force of Will (I guess there's no discussion about this), daze, spell pierce and flusterstorm.
Flusterstorm is really rare to be seen in MD but that's something I'd maybe test someday. I mean, beside the other 3 before mentioned, this is the best IMO. But let's make it about the choise between daze and spell pierce, just mentioned flusterstorm for people not to say that this was arbitrary or something like this.
The differences between these 2 are: Daze slows your pace in 1 land drop when it's used and spell pierce requires one spare land when you want it to be active. Also, spell pierce doesn't counter creatures, which may be huge in some matchups (but most of the times it just counters another instant/sorcery anyway). Daze permission is for 1 mana and spell pierce is for 2, which is actually a huge difference in terms of being able to play around it.
But for me what matters the most is the T1 play. Most of the times, if you play a T1 creature it's answered right away so that the enemy doesn't get attacked, and if he plays around daze it's really great as his resources get limited and he may get one shot or two before removing your threats, which mean an extra bolt of value out of your creature. Sometimes he will not be able to play around it, so he will fall right into the trap. The point here is that daze IMO is the best protection for the T1 creature, or even to assure your bolt in the opponent's T1 creature wont get countered (FoW is assured, but the card disadvantage can hurt us more than losing the creature). Hands with creature, daze, cantrip, bolt, land are the best possible IMO, and that's what I think that makes daze so special.
There's also the other side that daze's value as the game goes by gets really low as spellpierce still can be really though to play around, and also pierce can be realistically flashed back with snapcaster (while daze still can but probably won't). I guess the choise between these two counters is about how much you value your very early game (when you can't have spare mana without losing a lot of efficiency) instead of your late game. Anyway, I think that both cards are still really bad topdecks in late game.
PS.: I just realized that one of the points that makes us disagree with each other is that I value a lot having 8 counterspells while you can live without it. I actually will try lowering it to 6 or 7 counterspells, with daze, spell pierce AND with flusterstorm (I always wanted to play it MD) just to see how much I miss those 2 copies. Anyways, thank you for your big post, this shows not who's wrong or right but the reason why we take one line or another.
Exactly, Daze loses value as the game goes on. So does Goblin Guide. You don't play for the long run, as UR Delver is about early aggression. That's where both cards shine and when arguing against them you should weigh in what they actually do for you in this stage of the game. "Loses momentum as the game goes on" is not an argument against cards helping you play your strategy to the fullest extent, which is "acting as the aggressor early on", to begin with.Quote:
Originally Posted by kaminamina
I don't know how much experience you actually have with the archetype and Snapcaster builds in general, but no, Flashbacked-PoPs are far from "one of your most consistent win conditions".
Any particular reason why cardgames don't allow for facts? Was there anything untrue about my post? I don't think so. Just because Daze "can be used to great effect as a control card", which is mostly only true for aggressive decks to begin with, doesn't mean it isn't about aggression. You also don't really care about giving them lands, because they would still draw them on the next turn and (true for most games) play one land a turn at max. Since you're playing a deck made for the early stages of games, this is negligible for the most part. Hence the "you don't care about giving them lands". So I don't get your point.Quote:
Originally Posted by kaminamina
I build the deck a strictly bit more forward
4 Treasure Cruise
4 Delver of Secrets
4 Brainstorm
4 Volcanic Island
4 Scalding Tarn
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Ponder
3 Force of Will
4 Gitaxian Probe
3 Daze
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Monastery Swiftspear
4 Mishra's Bauble
4 Lotus Petal
3 Wasteland
2 Thought Scour
1 Forked Bolt
SB: 2 Flusterstorm
SB: 2 Pyroblast
SB: 2 True-Name Nemesis
SB: 4 Surgical Extraction
SB: 2 Null Rod
SB: 1 Island
SB: 2 Forked Bolt
What do you hope to achieve with lotus petal? I think running 17-18 lands, 8-10 of which are fetches, is gonna be your best bet. 8 fetches, 6-7 mana lands and 3-4 wastes is what I would run.Quote:
Originally Posted by Humphrey
Why mishra's bauble? That card doesn't do anything. Probe draws you a card when you cast it, bauble is just really bad in my opinion. I get that it buffs monetary swiftspear but you shouldn't run bad cards just to make already good cards better. It would be like running seal of fire to buff goyf, at the end of the day you're running a sorcery speed shock.
In bauble's place I would run a permanent threat like pyromancer or goblin guide or even snapcaster, my favorite card.
I like thought scour. It cantrips and feeds your recalls. Good choice.
All in all I think you're focusing too hard on filling your gy for treasure cruise. You'll fill it up really quickly just by playing the game, but for to get value out of drawing cards you need to run enough spells that actually do something! What do you do if they decay your swiftspear? There's a real possibility that you spend the rest of the game durdling around with cantrips. But at least you can brag about how many cards your drew as they kill you with goyf! You definitely need more threats.
I dunno man I've won a metric shit ton of games on the back of snapcaster price. I've actually been playing ur counterburn since before delver got printed, but it was never any good until delver and snapcaster were printed. My first list resembling modern UR didn't actually run delver, I thought it was too inconsistent, lol. I built the deck around snapcaster.Quote:
Originally Posted by JDK
So keeping that in mind: If you want to win ASAP, and snapcaster helps you win, and snapcaster costs 3-4 mana, why would you willingly bounce your own lands when you could just run more cards that kill your opponent? That's my logic anyway. You also want the majority of your spells to be good snapcaster targets, which daze is not. Snapping back spell pierce can be game changing. And it's not that daze can't also be gamechanging but it's nice to be able to flash back counters mid-lategame
You're still coming across really confrontation by the way, it's hard to have an actual conversation with you because of your "I know best and am better than you" tone.
Completely agree, Snapcaster, Price is the best feeling in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by kaminamina
well the bauble buffs the spear and gives you more information. also it cycles for free through your deck so you find the threats faster. the petal synergizes very very well with treasure cruise, also buffs the spear and gives you nice t1 plays. its no problem to cast cruise turn1 and on turn2 again
It's a really poor cycle though. It waits a whole turn to replace itself, that sucks. Plus the information is just one card. It's just really bad imo. Run more business.Quote:
Originally Posted by Humphrey
I don't think lotus is any better than fetchlands. They both feed your graveyard but one sticks around. Again, don't run bad cards just to buff swiftblade.
And what's the point of turn 1 treasure cruise without a threat out? Not even vintage decks go turn 1 recall every time they have it in their opening 7, you have to establish a board presence (or just play oath, which is basically the same thing) before you start building card advantage.
I would really like this list if it has pyromancer in it. I mean, the power of the deck is that the massive ammount of cantrips feeds swiftspear AND pyromancer. I think it seems flat and underpowered to depend only on swiftspear as it may get removed, and also isn't that fast of a clock even if you play 3 spells per turn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Humphrey
ok, youre right. pyromancer is much better with petals now. before he was kinda clunky, but now you can cast it turn1. too bad he doesnt trigger on it ;) the baubles probalby just too cute but petals is the way to go.
4 Treasure Cruise
4 Delver of Secrets
4 Brainstorm
4 Volcanic Island
4 Scalding Tarn
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Ponder
3 Force of Will
4 Gitaxian Probe
3 Daze
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Monastery Swiftspear
4 Lotus Petal
3 Wasteland
2 Thought Scour
1 Forked Bolt
4 Young Pyromancer
SB: 2 Flusterstorm
SB: 2 Pyroblast
SB: 2 True-Name Nemesis
SB: 4 Surgical Extraction
SB: 2 Null Rod
SB: 1 Island
SB: 2 Forked Bolt
You have 12 "real" lands, 3 wastelands, and 4 temporary mana. That means you have 16 total colored mana sources, 4 or which can only be used once.Quote:
Originally Posted by Humphrey
So what's the advantage of lotus petal over 2 more fetches and 1 of each basic? If the only reason you're running a card which is almost always worse than a land is to buff swiftspear you should probably replace them with lands. Unless there's something I'm somehow missing? You only have 4 cards more than 1 mana so what do you need the burst of mana for? I mean at this rate why not run 10 lands, lotus, and land grant?
Actually come to think of it that sounds really cool with young pyromancer. Oh man can you imagine turn 1 pyro with lotus into land grant, that would be so sick.
You should totally run land grant like all those oldschool 10 land stompy decks, that'd be awesome
land grant only fetches forest, so its kinda useless unless you build some wicked zoo list with it
Yep, forgot that part. My bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Humphrey
Does anyone has a revision of Bob Huang list that runs wastelands? I find it funny he doesn't run them. He appears to favor going full aggro instead.
Look, I don't care if I don't sound friendly or sympathetic to you. I am not here to comfort everyone and exchange woven bracelets. May I sound like a dick sometimes? Sure. At least I provide coherent arguments for the stuff I post.Quote:
Originally Posted by kaminamina
That being said, in usual builds with 4 Snapcaster Mages and 2 PoPs SM + PoP-Flashback is rare compared to Beats + Bolts or simple PoPs.
Hitting three lands is fairly easy and if Snapcaster flashbacks Bolt, Pierce or Brainstorm he has already done enough, being the additional body he is. Do you seriously remember that many times where you didn't have a useful target for the mage? I cannot think of a single one.
To use your argument against you: Why would you willingly pitch your own cards when you could just run more cards that kill your opponent? Right, because of Manaless-Protection and to force stuff through. Same applies for Daze.
I also don't know why you are making this a Daze vs. Pierce now, since this was about Daze vs. GG and people (including me) have been running Dazes and Pierces in conjunction for years now - in UR Delver.
The problem is that pure aggro is the only option once you fill your deck with twenty cantrips and twelve creatures. You can say "oh, but he might get blown out by" or "wouldn't it be so cool if", but the fact of the matter is that swinging across the table with more shit than your opponent can deal with is the only path you can take. Adding Wasteland doesn't improve any match-ups and it decreases the consistency of the deck.Quote:
Originally Posted by ivanpei
I've found wasteland to be very good in UR Delver even when the deck ran Goblin Guide. It's basically a time walk and let's you swing an extra turn with your guys before they drop their bombs. Also it gives Daze extra effectiveness and makes the card useful even into the mid game. If my opponent Durdles a bit cantripping for lands, wasteland has already done it's job. Also this deck is not mana intensive so it can dedicate slots to wasteland.
The deck is not mana intensive, no, but it is source light. Which of those lands do you want to take out for Wasteland? I hear thirteen colored mana sources is perfect. Or maybe you can take out some Lightning Bolts?Quote:
Originally Posted by ivanpei
Wasteland is unnecessary and creates inconsistency. No amount of "if I'm on the play and have a Daze I can get another Shock out of my Goblin Guide!" invalidates those problems.
I agree, ur delver isn't a tempo deck it's an aggro deck through and through.Quote:
Originally Posted by iamajellydonut
At least, it should be. You can build it as a tempo deck but I don't see the point since rug does the same thing better.
I would agree with you but RUG is dead since it is the only Delver deck that cannot run Cruise. I think Bob's list is not quite full aggro because he still does not play Price of Progress and to the Dome cards like Fireblast. Anyway I will try with and without wastelands.
I was planning on running the following manabase:
3 Volcanic
1 island
1 mountain
10 fetches
3 wastelands
I'd cut the single chain lightning for the extra land.
How does any goyf deck run cruise though? The only reason UR can do it is because you fill your graveyard but don't care about it. I can't really see BUG running cruise. Feels like UWR is gonna be the new tempo/control deck.Quote:
Originally Posted by ivanpei
I've been playing his list all day today and I've won quite a few games because I managed to play 3 or even 4 spells in a turn with Pyromancer or Swiftspear in play. The way the list is constructed wasteland doesn't help you cast almost anything so I don't think you should count it as part of the mana base but rather of the disruption package.Quote:
Originally Posted by ivanpei
I've also felt that the mana base is pretty tight, specially in games that involve wasteland or Hymn/lili taking lands out of your hand. I've cantripped looking for lands somewhat often since with 3 lands and Pyro/Swiftspear you can really "go off" out of nowhere. Having the basics in play instead of Volcs have sometimes been a problem too since the deck is so color intensive. I wouldn't really love taking actual lands for wastelands.
So if you want to play wastelands I think you have to remove spells, not lands. Which ones are you going to take out? No matter what you take, you're hurting the Pyromancer / Swiftspear plan if not the Treasure Cruise one too for the chance of a blowout with wasteland and to make your dazes a little better.
I love wasteland as a card, specially in a deck that runs daze, but I don't think that's what this list is about. Maybe now that we have some proof of how awesome TC someone can build a good list that incorporates TC + wasteland, but I don't think it'll just be "Huang's list with wastelands". Eh, maybe I'm wrong, I suck at predicting things.
BUG can run 2 comfortably, 3 might be a stretch. Goyf can survive on the opponents yard and 1-2 odd card types from your own yard. But BUG Delver definitely cannot run the full set. Uwr delver may be able to run a full set but might suffer from clunkiness so may end up running 3 only.
I also play UWR Delver and im currently running 3 copies of Cruise to great success. Casting 2 per game is effortless.
I'm still not convinced 4 is right for THIS deck. Seems too likely you'll draw them when they're dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by ivanpei
I also want to cut daze. Maybe gut shot!
(That was a joke don't worry)
My buddy inspired me to put together the UR Delver "Burn" list last week (good timing, Kyle). After seeing Bob's results and deck from this pas weekend, I wanted to see if I could fit in treasure Cruise into the more burn-focused deck. This is very rough draft. Once Khans is released online, I can do some testing. Until then I may jam a few games with friends.
2 Mountain
3 Island
3 Volcanic Island
4 Scalding Tarn
4 Flooded Strand
2 Arid Mesa
3 Treasure Cruise
4 Goblin guide - (Will also test with 4 Monastary Swiftspear in this slot)
2 Snapcaster Mage
4 Delver of Secrets
4 Ponder
4 Brainstorm
3 Spell Pierce
3 Daze
4 Force of Will
3 Price of Progress
4 Chain Lightning
4 Lightning Bolt
SB
2 Flusterstorm
2 Surgical Extraction
1 Grafdigger's Cage
2 Sulfuric Vortex
2 Sulfur Elemental
2 Red Elemental Blast
1 Pithing needle
2 Smash to Smithereens
1 Null Rod
Do you see any glaring holes? I doubt this is optimal, but I think it is a good place to start. I am interested to see if I can get the Treasure Cruise and Snapcaster Mage in the same deck and not have them stepping on each others toes the entire game.