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Imagine how I felt when my 4x Shahrazad deck was banned, yet I'm the one who has to cope with those damn top-shuffle-top sequences.. I die to slow play more often than I do to having 0 life left, and I know it's not me because I pick aggressive decks to minimize the impact it has on me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Umezete
Pretty much me, right now:
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Durdle tears are so sweet.
The Fucking Sweetest. The posts in the Miracles thread make it sound like somebody actually died. lololol.
Yet another victim of the brainstorm tiranny, rip top, may our t2 decks prosper in peace without you.Quote:
Originally Posted by H
Not even a single card unbanned, seriously wotc
Towards where do I focus my hate now? :D
Feels great after hating on Top for 4-5 years now.
That'll be me in 2 months when TNN/Leo/DRS takes over the format.Quote:
Originally Posted by H
Well, something is definitely dead now [emoji4]Quote:
Originally Posted by danyul
Reddit is losing their fucking minds over this. I don't think any of them play Legacy. Format became so warped to deal with Miracles that it was thought to be just a normal part of Legacy.
They also said this wasn't enough to justify a ban.Quote:
Originally Posted by Claymore
Hasn't Mentor already replaces ETA in most cases? Seems like the worst possible ban if you want to knock the deck down a peg.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutthroatCasual
Sure, they said that but they still banned the card.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crimhead
With the format moving more towards slower BUG decks (as opposed to Eldrazi for a while), ETA became a lot better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyl3lazer
These B/R updates are just proof that Wizards is trying to dumb down the game, this time by killing Doomsday decks.
WotC is always pandering to netdeckers who aren't willing to learn how to play a deck themselves.
Yeah I don't think so either. Seems like the majority of Reddit users on the Legacy subreddit are just modern converts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Claymore
I think UWx Stoneblade comes back. Batterskull can deal with Leovold and hold off Truename nicely. Supreme Verdict of course. UWb with discard, Force, Deluge, and counterspells (actual Counterspell) could be a thing.
UW Control with Rest in Peace and Energy Field might come back, although Decay still lingers.
So many deck ideas had to be killed off early because it couldn't deal with Miracles...which is how Reid Duke BUG became a thing anyway.
lol. I loved DDFT, but tbh, those ~3 players worldwide are not even on Wizard's radar (or anyone's).Quote:
Originally Posted by lorddotm
For those of you that missed it this is easily the best Hot Take of this entire banningQuote:
Originally Posted by lorddotm
Another good thing about this ban is no one has to face off against an Invocation Counterbalance...awesome that Starcity is offering refunds on it.
The big take away is that WotC not handling the format the way one wants does not mean they do not care about it or are not paying attention.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyl3lazer
They sited logistics in their reasoning.Quote:
Originally Posted by UnderwaterGuy
Well that can't be true, since they all just swore off Legacy until the Reprint List is burned to a crisp. /sQuote:
Originally Posted by CptHaddock
At the time of posting this, Abrupt Decay is the following % of the meta...
26.2%
I would like the people who claim that CB is the reason for this card to be played in such high numbers to remember this one year from now... I'll have crow ready to serve.
Can I dust off my Zoo?
Terminus is still out there.
Just saying.
It's a great card on it's own, but I think it's gotta decrease a bit without Miracles around. Especially with Fatal Push around for creatures.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tittliewinks22
Will Delver's metagame share go down after today?Quote:
Originally Posted by aluisiocsantos
It's still the cleanest answer to stuff like Leovold, Lili, Goyf, Delver.Quote:
Originally Posted by hovercraft
I already said I'd be happy to eat it if I end up being proven wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tittliewinks22
This change is going to be good for Legacy, long-term, I feel pretty confident.
Yep. There's still targets for Decay, but the likes of Nature's Claim, Fatal Push, Lightning Bolt, the new white card disenchant can be more efficient answers and still hope to resolve, and you don't have to warp your mana base into BGxx to deal with Counterbalance. I'd honestly sleeve up Golgari Charm over Decay now, and toss in some Nature's Claims for the errant Blood Moons and equipment.
So what's next. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...537dddbcb2.jpg
Wait a minute ! OooHHHHH MmmYYY GGgGGOOODDDD !!!!!!!
Soothsaying
TroothQuote:
Originally Posted by Julian23
I am so happy right now. Miracles was killing my love for legacy over the last 3 months. I am super invigorated about legacy again.
It is a brave new world boys and girls. I cant wait to see it.
Also this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KquFZYi6L0
Too real man, too real.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutthroatCasual
I can buy that thing from you and put it on shelf next to twin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobmans
Also im happythat i stick my decision to build tezzeret as my first legacy deck and not miracles :D
First, the absolute madmen! They actually did it!
Also of note: They didn't give us a hostage in return (unless I missed something) which I find pretty interesting. I assume that means one of two things:
* They're quite concerned about all of those cards
* They would rather see what happens to the format rather than inject all this change in one sitting
Still, very interesting. Red just got a huge shot in the arm, Elves will probably enjoy some power, and that means that other combos will be back in force too I imagine; circling around, meaning we should see more Delver too. Very interesting times ahead!
oh man! Bant got better too! Don't have to piss yourself about constantly having 4 colors.
An exciting day for the brewer indeed
EDIT: Miracles has been boring me out of legacy for a good two years. As soon as it was apparent that it was an obvious best deck (around where people were still arguing whether the Ponder version or the Legend version was better) it's been a thorn in my side. Every time I brewed a Grixis, Bant, Esper, or a non-U deck, the specter of "Oh good, I'm perma locked unless I play 4 colors, get lucky, or play subpar garbage" loomed, and killed my enjoyment.
I am mildly sad it's Top, but no complaints. I wanted Terminus because frankly I figured hitting the lesser-evil card would be safer, but OH MAN. Time to play some Legsy
It's going to remain powerful, I expect an uptick in Chalice to fight combo, and that means Abrupt Decay to answer it.Quote:
Originally Posted by hovercraft
Yeah, it's a little odd to see no prisoner exchange considering there's a decent list of reasonably safe cards they could have picked.
I tend to think that Counterbalance is a grossly powerful card, and I wonder if it will stick around without top.
To be fair, you're just wrong. Lands was still a thing and is going to be a thing. As is aggro loam (which is still a control deck, despite it's name. It relies on Loaming and Pfiring your opponent to death.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Crimhead
Just because MIracles was the only "BLUE control deck" is not a way to steal the thunder from the Loam decks. Additionally, Cloudpost control could be a thing again depending on how the meta shifts.
We haven't seen this format without CounterTop dominating for like.. three years. We may well find *different* control strategies survive and evolve now that being locked out for not playing Black isn't as big a deal.
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Originally Posted by Crimhead
Please, reread what they saidQuote:
WotC: That alone is not necessarily enough to move to ban a card from the deck...
Miracles has been the thorn in the side of Legacy since 2012 and the printing of Terminus. Nearly five years. It was kicked out for a month in Feb 2014, and since then was always the #1 or #2 DTB based on the formulas in the thread. I think prior to that it shared some metagame with Blade Control.Quote:
June 2012 Update
Grognards rejoice! After an obscenely long absence, classic U/W Control has returned to the top-tier of Legacy on the wings of a bunch of cheap angels and one-mana Wraths of God! And bringing Counterbalance with it, for those of us who missed that other bastard too.