[Deck] Zoo

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Originally Posted by chokin

Edit: Figure can be awful sometimes though. If I have 3 lands, I'm gonna want Thoctor over FoD. I don't like that he starts out so fragile too...he's pretty mana intensive early on.

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This isn't really a downside of Figure though. I mean if you have your 3 colors and 3 land you're not really going to want any of the 1 drops when compared to Thoctar or Goyf. Presumably you'll have played out a bit of your hand and probably dropped a couple threats, or one and an answer. If you've hit 3 lands and have to top deck into a 1cc guy I'd much rather it be Figure than Kird Ape, since it can be cast and you can leave red mana up to use burn if needed, otherwise can eot 2/2 it, and if unanswered following attack phase 4/4 it. Most answers that deal with Figure deal with Kird Ape as well.

I just think FoD slows down the deck's early game, where Zoo is supposed to be strong. It's more consistent yes, but it doesn't seem worth it, and it was never worth it to me. I played him as a 2of when i first picked up the deck, and i was always faced with playing spells or making him bigger. I could see him being ok in the 4c lists with Vial and more controlling elements.

I'll always love the Kird Ape, and when they print another good 1cc beater, then i can cut Isamaru.

How do you guys feel about maindeck Jitte?

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Originally Posted by keys

How do you guys feel about maindeck Jitte?

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Ive never not had MD Jitte. It is amazing in almost every matchup Ive ever had (storm combo being the only real one it doesnt help with)

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Originally Posted by jimmerz213

Ive never not had MD Jitte. It is amazing in almost every matchup Ive ever had (storm combo being the only real one it doesnt help with)

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How many maindeck/SB? 2 seems like the right number, with possibly a third SB. I think I can take out the 4th Lavamancer and 4th Helix to accommodate them.

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Originally Posted by keys

How many maindeck/SB? 2 seems like the right number, with possibly a third SB. I think I can take out the 4th Lavamancer and 4th Helix to accommodate them.

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Yeah I've always run MD 2 Jitte. I couldn't see ever wanting for than 3 though, for the obvious reasons. So if you wanna incorporate em then go 2 MD, i SB. I agree with cutting the 4th Mancer as well, since he gets bad in multiples.

I run 2 main as well. Admittadly there have been games where I really wish I could have gotten one and didnt and there have been games when I had both. I wouldnt cut a helix to fit the jitte, however. I think you'd be better off cutting some combination of Fireblast/Chain/Magma Jet. Helix is better (in my opinion) than those three with the possible exception of fireblast since it hits for 1 more and can be "free".

This would be my non-creature line up:

4 Lightning Bolt
2 Chain Lightning
3 Lightning Helix
3 Price of Progress
2 Fireblast
3 Path to Exile
2 Jitte

I really like having at least 6 bolt effects for early/cheap removal aside from Path. Also, Chain is the only sorcery, and sometimes you can't rely on your opponent to grow Goyf.

I'm thinking about cutting PoP or moving some to the SB to fill out the Chains and Helix (or add Rift Bolt). It can be amazing sometimes but it's not always possible to fetch out only basics, and there are more mono colored Tribal decks around due to M10.

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Originally Posted by keys

This would be my non-creature line up:

4 Lightning Bolt
2 Chain Lightning
3 Lightning Helix
3 Price of Progress
2 Fireblast
3 Path to Exile
2 Jitte

I really like having at least 6 bolt effects for early/cheap removal aside from Path. Also, Chain is the only sorcery, and sometimes you can't rely on your opponent to grow Goyf.

I'm thinking about cutting PoP or moving some to the SB to fill out the Chains and Helix (or add Rift Bolt). It can be amazing sometimes but it's not always possible to fetch out only basics, and there are more mono colored Tribal decks around due to M10.

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I've always felt that way about Sorceries and Goyf, sometimes the two Chains in my dekc aren't enough to get that extra one power. I've never liked PoP in the deck at all. I've always seen it as a SB card if anything. It's good in some matchups and bad in others, what other reason do you need?

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Originally Posted by keys

This would be my non-creature line up:

4 Lightning Bolt
2 Chain Lightning
3 Lightning Helix
3 Price of Progress
2 Fireblast
3 Path to Exile
2 Jitte

I really like having at least 6 bolt effects for early/cheap removal aside from Path. Also, Chain is the only sorcery, and sometimes you can't rely on your opponent to grow Goyf.

I'm thinking about cutting PoP or moving some to the SB to fill out the Chains and Helix (or add Rift Bolt). It can be amazing sometimes but it's not always possible to fetch out only basics, and there are more mono colored Tribal decks around due to M10.

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When I play Zoo at my local weekly Legacy tournament, where basic lands abound, I put PoP in the sideboard. When I take Zoo to a larger tournament, where I expect a more developed metagame, PoP goes in the maindeck.

Here's the list I've been playing:

2 Horizon Canopy
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Windswept Heath
4 Taiga
3 Plateau
1 Mountain
1 Forest
1 Plains

4 Tarmogoyf
4 Wild Nacatl
4 Kird Ape
4 Qasali Pridemage
3 Grim Lavamancer
3 Woolly Thoctar

2 Sylvan Library
4 Path to Exile
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Lightning Helix
3 Chain Lightning / Price of Progress
2 Fireblast

I've been pretty happy with the Sylvan Libraries, but I could see Jittes being pretty awesome in those slots, as well.

Hello guys, I am new here in the world of legacy:)
I would like to ask you what do you thing about the new green creature that M10 brings us:
Great sable stag. 1GG. 3/3. Great Sable Stag can't be countered.Protection from blue and from black



As a lot of deck play with blue would it be a nice add-on to the deck?

I don't think Sable Stag is a great option for us for these reasons:

1) Pro-blue is rarely relevant, and we beat blue creatures anyway.
2) Same with pro-black, but people just don't play black much nowadays.
3) The uncounterability is nice, but what do we really need it against? We'd like to see it against Landstill, Countertop, maybe a few other things. However, against those decks, a 3/3 with two other irrelevant abilities is unimpressive against them.
4) Also, as for sideboard options, what we "like it against," I think we have better options (Shusher, grip, etc.)
5) It costs 3, which is too slow for a "mere" 3/3 I think.
6) Who wants to pay $10+ for these things?

Those are my thoughts anyway.

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Originally Posted by MrGarfield

Hello guys, I am new here in the world of legacy:)
I would like to ask you what do you thing about the new green creature that M10 brings us:
Great sable stag. 1GG. 3/3. Great Sable Stag can't be countered.Protection from blue and from black

As a lot of deck play with blue would it be a nice add-on to the deck?

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No, it would probably be horrible. We get 3/3 for G in Zoo, it would take a game-breaking ability to be worth paying 1GG for.

Actually, GSS isn't too awful. It could definitely be useful in the SB against Landstill, CounterTop, and Merfolk..but also against Rock/Suicide/etc decks.

That said, the different cards you'd bring in in each of those matchups are better than GSS. So, I'm not entirely sure if it has a place.

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Originally Posted by KrzyMoose

Actually, GSS isn't too awful.

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That's the point. Zoo has so many good and great cards to play that we don't need to settle for something that "isn't too awful."

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Originally Posted by KrzyMoose

It could definitely be useful in the SB against Landstill, CounterTop, and Merfolk..but also against Rock/Suicide/etc decks

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We want things that are more than just useful, we want things that are necessary or game-breaking.

Ok, thank for the enlightments:-)

An other suggestion, what about nimble mongoose instead of kird ape?

Reading is tech.

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Originally Posted by B is for Big Job

Reading is tech.

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So are explanations.

Anyway, if you open your hand with him, hes going to be a 1/1. Kird Ape is likely to be a 2/3. Sure, the shroud helps but by the time you have threshold, you really should have your opponent dead.

Ok, i know this if off topic, but i had a question.

I'm getting to play Legacy after a 2 month absence tomorrow, and i can't get my Zoo foils to flatten out. I left em under a dictionary while i was on vacation and still nothing.

Any suggestions would be uber helpful. Because i want to rape in style tomorrow:cool:

You don't need foils to rape in style. But if your huberus will settle for nothing less, I would suggest keeping them pressed inside a big book until the tournament starts. I used to do that when my foils got bent, and it usually worked for me.