[Deck] ANT (Ad Nauseam Tendrils) Storm Combo

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Originally Posted by siqatzi

3 Young Pyromancer
3 Xantid Swarm
1 Enter the Warrens
4 Chain of Vapor
2 Pyroclasm
2 Dread of Night

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You don't need Pyroclasm. I guess you want an answer to Gaddock but you already have Chain of Vapor, where 4 is certainly not the optimal number.
In addition, Empty the Warrens is weak nowadays, better play an additional Pyrodude. 1/1 Elementals are stronger than 1/1 Goblins. You could then add one or two Dread of Nights to the board if you expect a lot of Death and Taxes. And I wouldn't leave Decay at home.
My board looks like this:

4 Young Pyromancer (due to Miracle being the DtB)
4 Dread of Night (due to DnT being the 'trend'-deck and another DtB, Massacre blocks AdN and Dreads do not)
3 Abrupt Decay (mostly against Miracles, MUD and splitting with Chains against Maverick/UWR)
2 Chain of Vapor (would like to play 3 but no space for that)
2 Xantid Swarm/Flusterstorm (depending on the meta, fastcombo, ANT = Flusterstorm; Reanimator, Show and Tell based decks = Swarms)

You are welcome.

I like chain a lot more than decay because of its casting cost.
Pyroblast isn't a problem as you can play ponder before to let it blasted and then cast chain.
BG is pretty difficult to pay with only 1 tropical island and 4 lotus petals

I do play also a Bayou.

And thoughts on the miracles aproach I spoke about?

Hi all, I just re-pick up this deck again these days after a nearly two-years break, my only worry about current meta is the miracle match-up, I want to ask if young pyromancer is the most efficient way combating Miracle? How does it perform against other decks like Bug?

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Originally Posted by GoblinZ

Hi all, I just re-pick up this deck again these days after a nearly two-years break, my only worry about current meta is the miracle match-up, I want to ask if young pyromancer is the most efficient way combating Miracle? How does it perform against other decks like Bug?

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BUG laughs as they play golgari charm, toxic deluge or engineered plague.

Togores,
With my current sideboard there are so many cards to bring in vs the miracle deck,around 6 cards which is a lot in a combodeck because every card weakens the combos itself.
I have to cut 4 mana sources because they are the most unimportant spells if the game goes long.
Yeah yeah there are still possible turn 1 kills postboard but only if there is no defense/ if your opponent is stupid which is not always the case.
Lotus petal is the weakest mana spell as it only generates +1 mana and can't be flashed back with pif (we are in legacy where yawg will is banned,unfortunately)
So i decided to cut the playset.
But i can also understand people who prefer to cut 2 petals and 2 cabal ritual to improve an early ad nauseam.

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Originally Posted by sawatarix

Togores,
Lotus petal is the weakest mana spell as it only generates +1 mana and can't be flashed back with pif (we are in legacy where yawg will is banned,unfortunately)
So i decided to cut the playset.
But i can also understand people who prefer to cut 2 petals and 2 cabal ritual to improve an early ad nauseam.

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If youre running Pyromancers postboard, wouldnt you want some number of Petals for t1 Pyromancers?

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Originally Posted by wonderPreaux

If youre running Pyromancers postboard, wouldnt you want some number of Petals for t1 Pyromancers?

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Sure.
Especially against Miracles, a turn one Pyrodude is so much mightier than a turn two one.

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Originally Posted by Seven_six

BUG laughs as they play golgari charm, toxic deluge or engineered plague.

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I'm QUITE sure if BUG deludes their game plan to involve stuff like Deluge, Charm as well as Plague you (as a storm player) are pretty happy.

Well shardless is often playing deluge main now and trading out decays for charms is a lateral move at worst


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Is it advisable to board in Decays vs BUG? How effective is it?

Cheers

Hello there fellow stormers. I am probably going to play ANT today at my LGS. I was wondering if I could get in input for my list in regards to MUD and Enchantress:

Main

4 Polluted Delta
4 Scalding Tarn
2 Underground Sea
1 Volcanic Island
1 Tropical Island
1 Island
1 Badlands
1 Swamp

4 Ponder
4 Brainstorm
4 Gitaxian Probe
2 Preordain
1 Sensei's Divining Top

4 Duress
3 Cabal Therapy

4 Dark Ritual
4 Cabal Ritual

4 Lotus Petal
4 Lion's Eye Diamond

4 Infernal Tutor
1 Ad Nauseam
1 Past in Flames
1 Tendrils of Agony

Side

3 Abrupt Decay
4 Dread of Night
2 Chain of Vapor
3 Young Pyromancer
3 Xantid Swarm

I was thinking of putting a couple hurkyl's recall in the board but there is only one player at my store who plays MUD (Cloudpost variant) so I'm not sure if it's worth it. Might just be better to hope to do dodge him. As for Enchantress is that something to worry at all or is that a good matchup? I know nothing about it so I just want input from those who have played legacy for a longer time than me. There is one player at my LGS that plays GW Enchantress about 99% of the time for whatever reason. Would like input on my list in general for my meta. Other decks I have seen played there: Shardless BUG, BUG Delver, RUG Delver,UWR Delver, Miracles, Sneak and Show, Elves (a good amount actually, the reason I'm breaking out my LEDs :D), Deathblade, UR Landstill (I'm not kidding), Punishing Maverick.

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Originally Posted by cheerios

Is it advisable to board in Decays vs BUG? How effective is it?

Cheers

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No.
Super-low effective.

Kai:

I have a problem... I'm having a really hard time controling myself and NOT siding in Pyromancer against like EVERY matchup :smile:

I played at my local yesterday. Faced Lands (win), Team America (win), the mirror (win), Shardless Bant (lose), UR Delver (win) and Painter (lose).

The only time I didn't bring it in was against Painter. The only time I brought it in and it wasn't awesome was against Bant. But I was on a mull to five and by the time I got it into play I was too far behind as my opponent already had a jace on the board and a Shardless Agent + stoneforge (I had therapied his batterskull).

I felt dubious bringing it in the mirror but then my opponent mulled to 5, played Island, go, and I went chrome mox imprinting dark ritual, badlands, pyromancer go. My opponent went draw, go. I play a land, brainstorm, trigger, see cabal therapy and duress and proceed to rape his hand (he had 2x LED which he hadn't played). That felt incredible :smile:

So yeah... I really... REALLY like playing Pyromancer, almost too much maybe. I think it was definitely correct to not bring them in against Painter as I knew he was playing welder meaning my discard is weaker, plus, the ground gets cluttered up pretty quickly meaning less combat value.

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Originally Posted by CabalTherapy

My board looks like this:

4 Young Pyromancer (due to Miracle being the DtB)
4 Dread of Night (due to DnT being the 'trend'-deck and another DtB, Massacre blocks AdN and Dreads do not)
3 Abrupt Decay (mostly against Miracles, MUD and splitting with Chains against Maverick/UWR)
2 Chain of Vapor (would like to play 3 but no space for that)
2 Xantid Swarm/Flusterstorm (depending on the meta, fastcombo, ANT = Flusterstorm; Reanimator, Show and Tell based decks = Swarms)

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@CabalTherapy: are you boarding in both the 4 Pyromancers and a Chain/Decay splitted package in the UWR Delver (Patriot) match up? I ask this because the normal boarding for me would be to bring in a split of Chains and Decays, but I read in the page before that Young Pyromancer also gets boarded in vs. Patriot. And I thought that maybe these are too much cards to find room for, so I think that there's definitely something I'm missing in your boarding plan :tongue:

Hehe, thats exactly what i felt when i started to test pyromancer a few days before BoM.
It felt incredible in a lot of matchups were the opponent is just unable to handle elemental tokens
or dies because of mindtwists.

There is a important rule about pyromancer: Don't board the guy against decks with more than 12 creatures.
Here some examples:
-shardless bug/bant
-merfolk
-goblins
-d&t
-maverick
-jund
-4colour cascade
-esper deathblade
-elves
-affinity

Concerning the storm-mirror:
Carsten Kotter asked me the same question yesterday and to be honest you don't really want to board yp in because the mirror is all about racing.
Pyromancer is just to slow for my taste to kill the opponent before he finds all his tools.
I would board just 1 pyromancer if my opponent plays ant with burning wish because i refuse to loose to telemin performance which was a
popular card here in berlin.

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Originally Posted by Ghiwo

@CabalTherapy: are you boarding in both the 4 Pyromancers and a Chain/Decay splitted package in the UWR Delver (Patriot) match up? I ask this because the normal boarding for me would be to bring in a split of Chains and Decays, but I read in the page before that Young Pyromancer also gets boarded in vs. Patriot. And I thought that maybe these are too much cards to find room for, so I think that there's definitely something I'm missing in your boarding plan :tongue:

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I don't board Pyrodude against UWR Delver. If I have written that, I am sorry but ,no, Chain of Vapor (or if you have it Massacre) is the best card here.

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Originally Posted by sawatarix

Hehe, thats exactly what i felt when i started to test pyromancer a few days before BoM.
It felt incredible in a lot of matchups were the opponent is just unable to handle elemental tokens
or dies because of mindtwists.

There is a important rule about pyromancer: Don't board the guy against decks with more than 12 creatures.
Here some examples:
-shardless bug/bant
-merfolk
-goblins
-d&t
-maverick
-jund
-4colour cascade
-esper deathblade
-elves
-affinity

Concerning the storm-mirror:
Carsten Kotter asked me the same question yesterday and to be honest you don't really want to board yp in because the mirror is all about racing.
Pyromancer is just to slow for my taste to kill the opponent before he finds all his tools.
I would board just 1 pyromancer if my opponent plays ant with burning wish because i refuse to loose to telemin performance which was a
popular card here in berlin.

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I don't wanna steal your job, just to complete your post: I wouldn't board in Pyromancer against any deck with Batterskull, do you feel the same? As we can eventually discard B-skull after the Stoneforge trigger, but we don't wanna become too fair against such solid and grindy deck. I learned with playing that the best way to crush grindy and fair midrange decks is to stay on the combo. Also I don't want Pyromancer in any combo match-up, as combo "mirrors" are always a pure race. Even vs. slower combo, like High Tide, we won't have the time to set up a consistent Elemental race. I think Pyromancer really shines in tempo and control match-ups, which are now Team America, Candian Threshold and Miracles. But that's not a news anymore :smile:

That's my opinion, I hope it makes sense :tongue:

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Originally Posted by sawatarix

Okay lets start.
With your decklist i would board like this:

Against RUG Delver:
+3 Young Pyromancer
+1 Empty the wareens
-1 ad nauseam
- 3 preordain

Against Bug delver:

+3 young Pyromancer
+1 burning wish (wouldn't play that card)
- 1 ad nauseam
- 3 preordain

Against uwr delver:

+ 2 chain of vapour
+ 3 Young Pyromancer
-1 ad nauseam
-3 preordain
-1 cabal ritual

Against uwr miracle

+3 abrupt decay
+3 young Pyromancer
-1 swamp
-4 lotus petal
-1 preordain

Someone also suggested to cut all the lions eye diamonds instead of lotus petals against miracle but i'm not convinced yet.

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@Sawa
If I would play sensei instead of one preordain would you leave the sensei or the preordain against miracles?
I know Lem said that he didnt liked the sensei at BOM when he had pyrodude. But im not sure if the fuel provided may be better tan not.


Thanks

Lemnear wasn't even there at BoM9 and he also doesn't play ant,but tes.
We both played tes at BoM8 but did not manage to get prizes.


@senseis top: i would leave top against miracle for sure,it's a perfect but manahungry tool against slow deck and decks with a lot of discard like jund and the mirror.