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We played legacy unleashed tournament with 10 teams I believe with twist being legal and my teammates played twist elves. Basically was just normal elves with a mind Twist in the sideboard because why not. Elves wouldn't even want the card. It's maybe a Nic Fit card, but idk
Yeah, there's never been a player-specific ban before, but I think banning Bob would ultimately be a good thing for the format. I am tired of malicious top 8s and it is time to put an end to the practice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whitefaces
I honestly have no clue if you're being serious or not. And I still don't really understand what you're even getting at
I can't really not sig this.Quote:
Originally Posted by iatee
I still have to admit that the whole thing was one hell of a PR gag and that people managed to spike the price for the cards as a result was jusz the icing. Of course we ended up with CFB making quite a dime with the hype.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whitefaces
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Elves is build to have 3+ mana by turn 2, just saying. As i mentioned before, there is no need for a quality analysis here or in the article, but deeming Elves & Co not worth mentioning while making a fuzz about Dark Ritual, isn't what I expect from any honest take on MindtwistQuote:
Originally Posted by maharis
That's the whole point, the discourse in this thread is so poor that it no longer distinguishable if someone is serious or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megadeus
Yeah, but there's no way to cast Mind Twist for X>2 on turn 2 that I can think of barring ridiculous lines that would just win anyway like Birchlore, double Sentinel, Heritage Druid, Cradle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
You are correct about the Dark Ritual point though, if we are considering a card you'd have to look for new tech. Personally, I don't think there's a deck that wants a super-Hymn with their tons of available mana T2 more than, like, a bunch of other cards. Other than for the novelty, of course.
That's the "quality discussion" i was talking about. There is no need for us or Bob to ponder about if Twist is stronger than Natural Order in Elves at this point. I am just convinced such discussion should not start with Ritual and end with MonolithQuote:
Originally Posted by maharis
I think the best place to use Mind Twist would be in decks that run Tomb/Diamond/Mana artifacts, or in control decks as a way to pull irreversibly ahead, where you're not casting it early, you're casting it mid-game to empty their hand and start Jace/Sealing your way to victory.
This could be a ploy by Bob to break Squirrel Nest, CFB could go nuts on the pricing of it.
It's a "Conspiracy," see what I did there? But seriously, the flavor text on this card I like.
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I see what you did hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Whitefaces
The DC SCG Legacy Open had a T8 that was theoretically diverse, but can be broken down to 6 Xerox/Blue Shell, 2 Chalice.
Out of the top 32 decks I saw, exactly one didn't have either Xerox or Chalice in it.
Except for Lands, DnT, Elves, Maverick, Turbo Depths, and Reanimator... But don't let things like that get in the way of a good argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by morgan_coke
Hahah.. :tongue:
Anyway just one thing about the Xerox decks, that is a shell like many others that are possible in legacy, it simply is the most efficient, but it also holds combo, control, midrange decks inside that shell depending on how it is built. Some have a problem with that, I'm pretty ok as long as it isn't the only strategy. Having "shells" is a easier way to make a deck competitive, legacy has loam package, aether vial package, xerox and stompy. Its just a way to build around some proven strategy, because legacy is all about efficiency, and these shells give either speed, consistency, tempo or advantage. Some decks do run without any of those, but they are few.
Starcity wtf naming conventions strike again. Was scratching my head over wtf. "Punishing Abzan" even was. Is code for 4c Loam it seems.
The Lands in the T8 ran Chalice. Many builds of Lands do. DnT doesn't run Chalice itself, but an entire deck full of the same principle, including a creature that has the same effect. Elves - got me there, I didn't see it in the top 32, my bad. Maverick - that was the deck I was talking about. Turbo Depths and Reanimator both run the Blue Shell - cantrips and Force.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sansian
But yes, you're right, only 16 of the decks in the top 32 ran Blue Shell/Xerox + Delver, and another 10 or so ran the blue shell, with most of the rest packing chalice, but there were two whole decks with neither, so things are fine.
Lands Top 8? Are you looking at the Classic or the Open?Quote:
Originally Posted by morgan_coke
The classic has to be taken with a grain of salt since it was essentially a tourney of losers who didn't make day 2 in the open
It makes just as much sense as 4C Loam given that name implies it’s a dedicated Loam deck (which it really isn’t)Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombie
Bullshit. Punishing Abzan, what the fuck is that?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord_Mcdonalds
Well according to WOTC, Abzan is GBW which is apparently more recognizable than junk which new players struggle with but will know what abzan is because fuck you stop thinking about this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobmans
How is it Abzan when it is red as well?
New players will struggle with it more if they call a FOUR Color deck a three Color specific name, especially when they start calling different archetypes the same way (Maverick and Zoo for example). It is more confusing then the original fucking names they give it here. Have you even seen Grixis control been called Bant???!!! Or ANT been called Doomsday while the fucking card ain't even in it????!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord_Mcdonalds
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It's Green Sun's Mardu, actually.
They called Nedleeds deck at EWeekend Ravager shops even though it didn't play ravager. So yeah there's some fairly egregiously poor nomenclature. Off-topic however.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobmans
That’s what makes it punishing manQuote:
Originally Posted by Megadeus
You don’t remember when the days of dark Jeskai being commonly used do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobmans
Btw, I think you misunderstood me, I think the insistence of clan names being used (mostly at the expense RUG, BUG and Junk) is stupid as well.
There are 7 other cards in magic's history with the word "punish" that are in "Abzan" colorsQuote:
Originally Posted by Lord_Mcdonalds
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Originally Posted by Hanni
I thought it was dark naya.
*shrug*
Wait, you mean it's not Light Jund? :eyebrow:Quote:
Originally Posted by ThomasDowd
Hey barkeep, two more Jund Lights' over here, please.Quote:
Originally Posted by H
The top lands deck was in 10th and didn't include any Chalices. One of the three Lands decks ran Chalice as far as my memory goes, and even then it only had one in the side. The Depths deck didn't run blue at all, and the reanimator decks were both black/red. I believe one had green in it out of the side. Are we even talking about the same tournament?Quote:
Originally Posted by morgan_coke
Guys, guys, we're getting way off topic.
We all know that if it ran Brainstorm, 4c Aggro Punishing Abzan Loam Junk would be called High Tide.
Despite closer analysis fixing that number to 8 decks and not just 1 (facts are fun), the point is that Legacy is strategically diverse.Quote:
Originally Posted by morgan_coke
We see this even in just the top 8. If you think, eg, Miracles, Delver, and Storm are not collectively a diverse range of decks, maybe you ought to be sharing some of that patented Morgan brand Coke? Same with Eldarzi and Loam. These decks all attack the meta from different angles, have different strengths and weaknesses (and MUs), and are totally different from one another to play against. If you refuse to see that, it's on you bud.
Many Lands builds don't these days. But note how Lands is essentially the same deck with CotV or without. Exactly why we should be looking to strategic diversity rather than card diversity.Quote:
Originally Posted by morgan_coke
It's as though you think that Lands adds diversity to the format only if it doesn't run a copy of Chalice in the board. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I hope you can see how ridiculous that is.
Abzan? Pshaw. I still call it Rock.
I know that this idea has been proposed before but what do people think about banning rite of flame. I got to see first hand yesterday how strong this card was and imo it's a very bannable card. It was capable of producing 2 mana on the first, 3 on the 2nd, and so on.
The really oppressive card in that cycle is Rune Snag. It's a counterspell that gets better each time you play it!!1!!
Aren't decks using it like <2% of the meta?Quote:
Originally Posted by CptHaddock
Given that I regularly play various Rituals and regularly lose games of Magic to people who don't, would you mind elaborating on this?Quote:
Originally Posted by CptHaddock
I've been assuming the Rite of Flame posts are mostly just jokes.